AMD: We Can Ship R600 Today.

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070403235139.html

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Originally set to be released in the fourth quarter of 2006 ATI?s first DirectX 10-compliant graphics product is now more than a quarter late, which allows Nvidia Corp. to enjoy technology leadership. But in addition to technology-related issues, the ATI R600 is facing ?political? reasons with its postponement.

Henri Richard, the sales chief at Advanced Micro Devices, said in an interview that his company could have started to ship the long-anticipated code-named ATI R600 graphics processors (and cards) any time, but the world?s second largest maker of x86 microprocessors decided to wait till the more affordable derivative graphics chips get to the point when AMD can release them commercially and then ship the whole lineup of DirectX 10-compatible products.

?The R600 will be out in the second quarter. The reason we decided to delay the launch was that we wanted to have a complete DX10-enabled solutions top-to-bottom. A lot of people wrote that the reason it is delayed is because of a problem with the silicon, but there is no problem with the silicon. We are demonstrating it. We can ship it today. But if you think about it, looking at where the market is at, the volumes are going to be in the RV610 and RV630, so it makes sense for us to do a one time launch of the entire family of DX10 enabled products,? said Henri Richard in an interview with Hardware Zone web-site.

According to Mr. Richard, his partners, who had nothing new to show at CeBIT 2007 and who are not receiving a good portion of publicity because of the lack of high-end hardware that could compete against the GeForce 8800-series, agreed that the launch of the R600, RV610 and RV630 would make more sense.

?That meant delaying the R600 for a few weeks, but frankly it doesn?t make a difference in the life cycle of the product and talking with our customers and partners, they felt that it would make a bigger impact with one full launch. So we decided to do that,? Mr. Richard is reported to have said.

Specifications of ATI R600 published by a web-site earlier resemble specs revealed by some other sources back in mid-2006, but are not fully similar:

* 64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;
* 32 texture mapping units, 16 raster operation units;
* 512-bit memory interface full 32 bit per chip connection;
* 150W ? 230W thermal power envelope;

It was also reported that the next-generation graphics chip from AMD?s graphics division formerly known as ATI Technologies will support so-called GPU clustering, which allows to install 2n number of GPUs (4, 8, 16, 32, etc), though it is unclear whether this is something new, as ATI?s graphics chips supported multi-GPU capability for professional solutions from companies like Evans & Sutherland for many years now. In addition, it was revealed that the R600 chip is compatible with ?draft DX10.1 vendor-specific cap removal? application programming interface, something, which is unlikely to be utilized for a substantial amount of time.

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A little old, [ 04/03/2007 | 11:51 PM ] but still
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: tuteja1986
amm your late to the party ! everyone knows its coming this week :!

I hope my sarcasm detector isnt malfunctioning.

So what's up with this:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;

What happened to 320 shader processors?

No wonder it can barely beat 8800GTX according to leaked info.
 

Kromis

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: tuteja1986
amm your late to the party ! everyone knows its coming this week :!

I hope my sarcasm detector isnt malfunctioning.

So what's up with this:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;

What happened to 320 shader processors?

No wonder it can barely beat 8800GTX according to leaked info.

What the dealio, yo?
 

fierydemise

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Originally posted by: Matt2
So what's up with this:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;

What happened to 320 shader processors?

No wonder it can barely beat 8800GTX according to leaked info.
Leaked info, you mean "benchmarks" of an unreleased card on an unreleased game. If that isn't BS I don't know what is.
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Matt2
So what's up with this:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;

What happened to 320 shader processors?

No wonder it can barely beat 8800GTX according to leaked info.
Leaked info, you mean "benchmarks" of an unreleased card on an unreleased game. If that isn't BS I don't know what is.

Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.
 

fierydemise

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: Matt2
So what's up with this:

64 4-Way SIMD Unified Shaders, 128 Shader Operations/Cycle;

What happened to 320 shader processors?

No wonder it can barely beat 8800GTX according to leaked info.
Leaked info, you mean "benchmarks" of an unreleased card on an unreleased game. If that isn't BS I don't know what is.

Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.
Notice the source of these specs, an unidentified website, sure the DT specs aren't much better but they at least have a decent track record behind them, I can't remember the last time DT got something so wrong unlike the Inq or an unidentified website.
 

Matt2

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I agree, it's all speculation, but that's all we have to go on.

So AMD - "Where's the beef?"

EDIT: Besides, even if the info was from a credible source they would still be known only as an "unidentified website" because they would be breaking NDA.
 

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Thing is, no matter how late they are, nvidia still wont have a mid/low card before they do, and judging by their competitive pricing, they are gonna sell those like hotcakes, so where is the worry for AMD? They dont have the fastest 999$ 100 limited edition card? Boo-hoo! As long as they sell their midrange well enough (and judging by the Dell "rumors" they are doing it already) they have nothing to worry about... And what AMD needs right now is money, not top place in the graphic card league

Sort of like x1900 vs 7900 GTX... x1900 was the best card, but nvidia made much more money with the 7900
 

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.

Yeah I know, but we've already seen countless leaks about there not being a 1GB card.

You're not going to get a 1GB card for $399 so one of those rumors is false.
 

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Well AMD if you can ship it today then DO IT! Obviously they can't and they're full of isht. Oh well, based on rumors of how much power it consumes, I doubt my little 400W shuttle would be able to handle R600--thankfully 8800 GTX works like a champ.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.

Yeah I know, but we've already seen countless leaks about there not being a 1GB card.

You're not going to get a 1GB card for $399 so one of those rumors is false.

Doesn't matter, 512-bit memory seems all but concrete at this point which should be a pretty big advantage...meaning all AMD has to do is match the processing power of the G80 and it still should be a clear cut winner. I'd think they'd have to lay a pretty huge egg not to be able to at least match it in those terms.
 

the Chase

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Thing is, no matter how late they are, nvidia still wont have a mid/low card before they do, and judging by their competitive pricing, they are gonna sell those like hotcakes, so where is the worry for AMD? They dont have the fastest 999$ 100 limited edition card? Boo-hoo! As long as they sell their midrange well enough (and judging by the Dell "rumors" they are doing it already) they have nothing to worry about... And what AMD needs right now is money, not top place in the graphic card league

Sort of like x1900 vs 7900 GTX... x1900 was the best card, but nvidia made much more money with the 7900

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140527 - card has already been selling for a few days now. I think Nvidia made E-wiz pull them off the website. Nvidia will beat ATI low/midrange products to market by at least a month, maybe two.

Edit- the 8600GT is also reportedly on the self for sale at a few Best Buys and Fry's already.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Thing is, no matter how late they are, nvidia still wont have a mid/low card before they do, and judging by their competitive pricing, they are gonna sell those like hotcakes, so where is the worry for AMD? They dont have the fastest 999$ 100 limited edition card? Boo-hoo! As long as they sell their midrange well enough (and judging by the Dell "rumors" they are doing it already) they have nothing to worry about... And what AMD needs right now is money, not top place in the graphic card league

Sort of like x1900 vs 7900 GTX... x1900 was the best card, but nvidia made much more money with the 7900

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140527 - card has already been selling for a few days now. I think Nvidia made E-wiz pull them off the website. Nvidia will beat ATI low/midrange products to market by at least a month, maybe two.

Edit- the 8600GT is also reportedly on the self for sale at a few Best Buys and Fry's already.

I thought the new Ati cards were coming out next week or so? Anyway if thats the case then too bad, I just dont see why AMD would throw in the towel
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Thing is, no matter how late they are, nvidia still wont have a mid/low card before they do, and judging by their competitive pricing, they are gonna sell those like hotcakes, so where is the worry for AMD? They dont have the fastest 999$ 100 limited edition card? Boo-hoo! As long as they sell their midrange well enough (and judging by the Dell "rumors" they are doing it already) they have nothing to worry about... And what AMD needs right now is money, not top place in the graphic card league

Sort of like x1900 vs 7900 GTX... x1900 was the best card, but nvidia made much more money with the 7900

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140527 - card has already been selling for a few days now. I think Nvidia made E-wiz pull them off the website. Nvidia will beat ATI low/midrange products to market by at least a month, maybe two.

Edit- the 8600GT is also reportedly on the self for sale at a few Best Buys and Fry's already.

yeah i saw the 8600gts and 8600gt by evga at frys today. expensive though $249 and $199
 

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Kinda lame that AMD feels compelled to repeat their marketing party lines every other day. If you can, just do it already! Almight christ!
 

sandorski

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ATI would have released it, then released the other Products as they became viable. This seems like one of those Corporate/Market Philosophy issues that happen after a merger. Hopefully AMD doesn't end up making their investment obsolete by doing things in the Video Market that just doesn't work. Makes me nervous for AMD's future.
 

dug777

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If memory serves me correctly, the last time we heard this was prior to the launch of the FX line...

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.

Yeah I know, but we've already seen countless leaks about there not being a 1GB card.

You're not going to get a 1GB card for $399 so one of those rumors is false.

Doesn't matter, 512-bit memory seems all but concrete at this point which should be a pretty big advantage...meaning all AMD has to do is match the processing power of the G80 and it still should be a clear cut winner. I'd think they'd have to lay a pretty huge egg not to be able to at least match it in those terms.

hardly

its not all about memory bandwith mate. check the 7600GT, pretty much better than the 6800's before it, but with less memory bandwidth

i honestly do not think 512bit memory will be the R600's trump card. not yet anyway.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.

Yeah I know, but we've already seen countless leaks about there not being a 1GB card.

You're not going to get a 1GB card for $399 so one of those rumors is false.

Doesn't matter, 512-bit memory seems all but concrete at this point which should be a pretty big advantage...meaning all AMD has to do is match the processing power of the G80 and it still should be a clear cut winner. I'd think they'd have to lay a pretty huge egg not to be able to at least match it in those terms.

hardly

its not all about memory bandwith mate. check the 7600GT, pretty much better than the 6800's before it, but with less memory bandwidth

i honestly do not think 512bit memory will be the R600's trump card. not yet anyway.

The 7600GT was getting pwned by a 6800 of some flavour in a STALKER review i remember floating around...?

All i know is my 6800GS @575/1370 is quite quick enough for me ;)

THIS IS AGPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
 

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: Matt2
Regardless of whether or not the benches are true, "only" 128 shader ops, 512mb RAM and aggressive pricing tells me that more than likely AMD is about to embarrassed.

Article said 512-BIT memory. Nothing about amount of it.

Yeah I know, but we've already seen countless leaks about there not being a 1GB card.

You're not going to get a 1GB card for $399 so one of those rumors is false.

Doesn't matter, 512-bit memory seems all but concrete at this point which should be a pretty big advantage...meaning all AMD has to do is match the processing power of the G80 and it still should be a clear cut winner. I'd think they'd have to lay a pretty huge egg not to be able to at least match it in those terms.

hardly

its not all about memory bandwith mate. check the 7600GT, pretty much better than the 6800's before it, but with less memory bandwidth

i honestly do not think 512bit memory will be the R600's trump card. not yet anyway.
Not unless there's some killer feature we haven't heard of yet, like a significantly better or "free" AA mode.

EDIT: Or perhaps DX10 stresses GPU mem. much more than DX9--we haven't actually seen G80's DX10 performance yet, right?
 

the Chase

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: the Chase
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Thing is, no matter how late they are, nvidia still wont have a mid/low card before they do, and judging by their competitive pricing, they are gonna sell those like hotcakes, so where is the worry for AMD? They dont have the fastest 999$ 100 limited edition card? Boo-hoo! As long as they sell their midrange well enough (and judging by the Dell "rumors" they are doing it already) they have nothing to worry about... And what AMD needs right now is money, not top place in the graphic card league

Sort of like x1900 vs 7900 GTX... x1900 was the best card, but nvidia made much more money with the 7900

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140527 - card has already been selling for a few days now. I think Nvidia made E-wiz pull them off the website. Nvidia will beat ATI low/midrange products to market by at least a month, maybe two.

Edit- the 8600GT is also reportedly on the self for sale at a few Best Buys and Fry's already.

I thought the new Ati cards were coming out next week or so? Anyway if thats the case then too bad, I just dont see why AMD would throw in the towel

Nope. They are having a "special showing" with reporters who agree to sign a NDA agreement. The cards will go on sale mid-May or so.

Also have been reading on more delays for the RV630, etc. so who really knows what they will have by then.