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AMD vs P4???? please help.

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I've been out of the computer industry for quite some time and it's time to upgrade my puter, however I have questions about the differences between AMD Athlon Xp's and P4's.

First off I want to make this very clear, I DO NOT intend to overclock my puter!! I posted a similar question about mobo's for P4's in the gereral section and all I got were ppl saying to buy XP's and overclock them. No one really answered my question.

What I was thinking of getting was the P4 2.4 with a Asus P4PE mobo. I would like to know if AMD has a cpu close to the speed of the P4 2.4 and what the difference is between the 2. Is the XP 2400+ the same speed and power even though it's a 1.8 ghz?

If I went with the AMD system I'd put it into the new A7N8X nforce2 board, but I want something as fast as the P4 2.4.

If I am unclear as to the information I request, please let me know

Any insite to the decision is helpful.

Thanks
 
realistically there is NO DIFFERENCE past 1ghz on any CPU for 90% of people



even on the upper level processors...its hard to tell a difference even in games...the bottleneck is not the CPU anymore, its everything else.


get something you can afford, either intel or AMD, and fix the rest of the computer by getting an 8mb cache IDE drive and a better video card, the CPU hardly matters


i have a P4PE and it is an awesome board...you can get a fully loaded model for 152 from newegg and a 2.4B is like 193 shipped....very nice deal


i would say that either chip is fine, the xp2400+ or the 2.4B...you will not see any difference
 
AMD's rating system is set up to compare to Intel P4 processors. So the XP2400+ SHOULD provide the same performance as a 2.4 Ghz P4. That's not ALWAYS true, as both processors have their strong points... but on average, they're about the same.

It depends on what you intend to use your computer for. My experience has been that Athlon XP's provide a better gaming experience... some may disagree, but again... that's MY experience.
I've also found that Athlon XP's are quicker in Windows applications, especially when multi-tasking. I find the items on the start menu appear faster, switching between windows is faster.
Benchmarks will show that the Intel P4 is faster at tasks that require raw clock speed... such as video encoding, compressing files, etc. But a quality hard drive will be more valuable in that respect. A lot of people skimp on the hard drive, which is a bad mistake to make because the hard drive is the slowest link.

It also depends on how much you're able to spend. I'm not sure of current prices, but on average, Intel processors are more expensive than AMD processors.

Another factor to consider is noise. Intel processors generate less heat than AMD processors, so you can use a slower speed fan on it with a quality copper heatsink and keep the noise down.

If it were me... I'd choose AMD. I always choose AMD over Intel because they're normally cheaper, they perform as well as an Intel P4, I know when I buy an AMD processor I'm not paying for a few guys to paint themselves blue and annoy the crap out of me while I'm trying to watch TV, and finally, because I like how AMD designs their CPU's... to be efficient and productive... not just blazingly fast.

A comparison I often use is a Viper vs. Corvette. Viper being the Intel P4, and the Corvette being the Athlon XP. The Viper will take the Corvette in a straight line acceleration test every time. Throw a few corners at it, and the Corvette will come out on top.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
AMD's rating system is set up to compare to Intel P4 processors. So the XP2400+ SHOULD provide the same performance as a 2.4 Ghz P4. That's not ALWAYS true, as both processors have their strong points... but on average, they're about the same.

It depends on what you intend to use your computer for. My experience has been that Athlon XP's provide a better gaming experience... some may disagree, but again... that's MY experience.
I've also found that Athlon XP's are quicker in Windows applications, especially when multi-tasking. I find the items on the start menu appear faster, switching between windows is faster.
Benchmarks will show that the Intel P4 is faster at tasks that require raw clock speed... such as video encoding, compressing files, etc. But a quality hard drive will be more valuable in that respect. A lot of people skimp on the hard drive, which is a bad mistake to make because the hard drive is the slowest link.

It also depends on how much you're able to spend. I'm not sure of current prices, but on average, Intel processors are more expensive than AMD processors.

Another factor to consider is noise. Intel processors generate less heat than AMD processors, so you can use a slower speed fan on it with a quality copper heatsink and keep the noise down.

If it were me... I'd choose AMD. I always choose AMD over Intel because they're normally cheaper, they perform as well as an Intel P4, I know when I buy an AMD processor I'm not paying for a few guys to paint themselves blue and annoy the crap out of me while I'm trying to watch TV, and finally, because I like how AMD designs their CPU's... to be efficient and productive... not just blazingly fast.

A comparison I often use is a Viper vs. Corvette. Viper being the Intel P4, and the Corvette being the Athlon XP. The Viper will take the Corvette in a straight line acceleration test every time. Throw a few corners at it, and the Corvette will come out on top.
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keep your fanboy trash in another thread. you are going to start a flamewar over something that isnt open for debate. AMDs arent better, you need to get over it. and your viper and corvette trash is also not a good way to describe it. that greatly depends on the driver.


they dont always perform as well.


intel rarely has commericals, but obviously when they do it works since every school district and office building ive ever been to uses penitums not AMDs. i dont have a problem with the AMD processors...instead i have a problem with idiots like you.
 
I think the commercial complaint is quite stupid. How often do you find yourself using that rationalzation for other products? Oh I buy Poweraid because Gatoraid advertizes to much. I shop at Safeway because Publix spends money on advertizing. These are not typical reasons ppl buy one thing over another so why do AMD fans try and push that? Just retarted. Yes both Intel and AMD are good. I would say this is a more acurate representation of the industry. If you want the fastest top of the line go Intel, if you want a low end system go AMD, if you want something in between both are good. Intel is not as expensive as some would want you to think.

Example
Intel P4 2.4 = $191 Here
AMD Athlon XP 2400 = $197 Here
 
The 2400+ AND 2.4GHZ ARE STATISTICALLY A DEAD HEAT...Check past reviews...Either or you will be fine. Go with what can save you the most money now and save up to upgrade sooner....

Amd has the bargain factor but that is occuring at the sub 2100+ level.

 
My opinion. If you're going AMD, Wait for the Barton 2500+. Intel, go 2.4B. You WILL NOT be disappointed either way.
 
Originally posted by: DX2Player
I think the commercial complaint is quite stupid. How often do you find yourself using that rationalzation for other products? Oh I buy Poweraid because Gatoraid advertizes to much. I shop at Safeway because Publix spends money on advertizing. These are not typical reasons ppl buy one thing over another so why do AMD fans try and push that? Just retarted. Yes both Intel and AMD are good. I would say this is a more acurate representation of the industry. If you want the fastest top of the line go Intel, if you want a low end system go AMD, if you want something in between both are good. Intel is not as expensive as some would want you to think.

Example
Intel P4 2.4 = $191 Here
AMD Athlon XP 2400 = $197 Here
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thanks for backing up my post...i received a pretty nasty PM from this threads fan boy *cough*jeff7181 *cough* about how i am the idiot...


sorry jeff, looks like the spotlight is on you...everyone in this thread has disagreed with you


both processors are going to offer you equal performance goggles...good luck on whichever you decide...either will please you
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
The 2400+ AND 2.4GHZ ARE STATISTICALLY A DEAD HEAT...Check past reviews...Either or you will be fine. Go with what can save you the most money now and save up to upgrade sooner....

Amd has the bargain factor but that is occuring at the sub 2100+ level.
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well said duvie
 
feel free to copy and past the PM... since you seem to have some sort of problem with people who don't share your opinion and feel the need to make an argument public

You could have said "I disagree, and this is why..."

But YOU had to turn it into an argument, YOU are the source of conflict in this thread, and YOU started the off topic posts in this thread
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
feel free to copy and past the PM... since you seem to have some sort of problem with people who don't share your opinion and feel the need to make an argument public

You could have said "I disagree, and this is why..."

But YOU had to turn it into an argument, YOU are the source of conflict in this thread, and YOU started the off topic posts in this thread
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Stop the threadcrapping, just let the argument die and keep it in PMs, MrDudeMan at least added something helpful in this thread crap.
 
Wow, I'm not going to go into details after seeing how all you behave.

I like my 2700+ and my 2.4B. Both are great. Pick what ever floats your boat.
 
Originally posted by: lightbulb8817
Wow, I'm not going to go into details after seeing how all you behave.

I like my 2700+ and my 2.4B. Both are great. Pick what ever floats your boat.
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3.34ghz! Please post your specs man 🙂 Hell, make your own thread and throw in some benchies. I'd love to see that puppy in action 😀
 
First off I'd like to say that it's a shame you aren't into overclocking 😉 😀

Second I'd have to say that because you aren't going to overclock/tweek your system, I'd have to say that Intel wins in that round. An untouched P4 system around 2.4GHz or more will probably be the best way to go as it is pretty much as simple as throwing the parts together and you get just that. Very little problems, very little to worry about with Intel. Now with AMD, you can get the same sort of thing, but once you start getting into their higher end CPUs, their prices are just as high as Intel, sometimes a bit more too (2800+ especially).

Now I say it is a shame that you don't want to overclock as you can get some very killer deals with AMD solutions. It seems that taking a $95 Tbred B up to 2800+ speeds isn't a hard thing to do. Fact is you can probably get more than that, so in a sense you are saving $300 or so by going with the $95 chip instead of paying $400 out right for a 2800+, and $300 will get you a 9700 Pro.

Not sure about this answer though, you can't really go wrong with either solution. Might be nice to wait if you can, AMD's Barton Athlons migth bring some new options to the table, shift some old options around as well. A 2500+ Barton with some fast ram and nForce2 could be a killer combination, not too hard on the wallet either.
 
Thanks to all that have cleared things up for me. XP 2400 = P4 2.4...in a nut shell. Prices seem very well matched, both mobo's have the features I want, I guess it's just flip a coin time.

The reason I'm not interested in overclocking; I don't spend 100% of my time on it and it's not important to me any more. I have a few games I bought and can't play very well on my current system (Athlon 650) SFCIII, simcity4, unrealII coming out soon, C&C Generals coming soon etc. I also use my computer for making web sites, graphics, word processing and simply surfing (a little bit of everything). I also have started a small business manufacturing R/C airplanes and would rather spend my time doing that, however the puter is a stress relief sometimes or when I need to make a manual or airfoils.

Again, thanks to all for your help!!!


- someone wanted to know my video card, Asus Gforce 3 TI 200 deluxe (64mb version)-
 
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