AMD VS INTEL - please help out =)

[BeLikeMiKe716]

hey people
sorry for another amd vs intel post but it is still very mind boggling for me to decide because of my disappointment in both. if this post annoys you then please just disregard it and click away. i really dont understand all these people that get so angry and fight over stupid things on a forum.

setup number 1 i had like 4 years ago, i had a dell computer that ran an intel p4 1.8ghz with 512mg ram. I was pretty satisfied until a few years down the road i started doing more computer intense stuff such as gaming and image and video editing.

then i decided to go with the following setup using amd because of the rave everyone gives about amd....

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136147

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Newcastle 800MHz HT Socket 754 Processor Model ADA3000AXBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103486

1 GB OF: CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model VS512MB400 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145026


i was so disappointed because i did not see any difference. Did i do something wrong? it seems to run at the same speed.

I use my computer for officexp, games such as halflife 2, farcry, CS source, etc and IMAGE AND VIDEO editing which requires alot of brain power because of rendering and such.

I am looking to really UPgrade my computer and was wondering if someone would be NICE enough to give advice without any bias... thanks=)

i have been hearing crazy cool things about the following and would like to have them:
2 western digital Raptor 150gb 10,000rpm 16mb cache harddrives in RAID 0

2 video cards in SLI: recommend? and sli DOES make a big difference right?

dual processors or not? i do alot of multitask as well as gaming.
amd or intel: which ones? SAY i can spend 3000 on processor, mobo, and ram. I really want top of the line stuff because i need the power.

thanks for your help...

 

[Arachnotronic]

The CPU isn't the only factor when it comes to games...what video card are you running?

 

[sandorski]

512mb of ram is not enough, likely your biggest bottleneck. What's your video card? I wouldn't be surprised if that's a major bottleneck for you as well.

Should have went Socket939 with a Venice 3000+, just for the ability to upgrade to X2 eventually(sooner rather than later.

 

[Jules]

not impressed?? GO BUY A VIA CPU.

 

[Markfw]

For rendering, dual-core may help depending on what software you are running. In games the video card needs to be better. and last and not least, is memory. You could use UP TO 2 gb easily depending on the game or the video software you are running. I would say for starters, what video card are you running, and upgrade to at leadt 1 gig ram. If that doesn't make you happy, then go dual-core with the same 2 gig ram and video card, and if that isn;t enough, then you have a problem.

 

[n7]

Not happy with Intel, or AMD?

Then VIA's C3 Processor is teh one for you!11!!

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: n7
Not happy with Intel, or AMD?

Then VIA's C3 Processor is teh one for you!11!!

C3 CPU is the best thing since the internet.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: n7
Not happy with Intel, or AMD?

Then VIA's C3 Processor is teh one for you!11!!

C3 CPU is the best thing since the internet.

Transmeta FTW!!! http://www.transmeta.com/crusoe/specs.html

On topic tho, how much is your budget? Also what Graphics Card is presently residing in your PC?

 

[F1shF4t]

Install amd drivers, ones that came with XP, are awfull, in multitasking it felt like i was using my old p4 1.7ghz, now with the newer drivers it feels much more responsive even with cool and quite on, this is on a 3200+ with 512 mg of ram.

 

[Dadofamunky]

More RAM. Stronger video card. Optimize the sh*t out of everything you can. My sig is for a small-form-factor system and it is not the fastest CPU, or the fastest video card, but it runs silky smooth. You don't have to have the absolute fastest thing out there to get a good computing experience. It needs to be a well-balanced system without a major weak point. Probably get a mid-range dual-core CPU (AMD does make the best ones right now) and as good a video card as you can afford. And AT LEAST 1 GB of good RAM. For video cards, a 7900GT or 7800GT are really good midrange price bets.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Do NOT get two Raptors and put them in RAID 0 unless you absolutely need insane hard drive speed (like doing professional video editing work) or you can throw away $500+ like it's nothing. Money is far better spent.

If you're noticing slow performance in games with an NF3 setup, it's probably due to a crap video card, so make sure to get a good one.

Your best bet these days is the DFI Lanparty UT Ultra-D with either a single core Opteron (model 144 or 146) or a dual core opteron (165) and some overclocking, along with 1-2 GB of RAM and either a big new HD (eg 300GB Seagate 7200.9) or a Raptor (plus a big HD).

 

[BeLikeMiKe716]

sorry i forgot and left out that i have 1GB of memory and Radeon 9600 video card.... for the video card, i tihnk its OKAYyyy but i am mainly talking about performance of computer and how quick it is.... im not sure if vid card would contribute to performance... thanks for your inputs...

 

[BeLikeMiKe716]

also, whats VIA?... haha i never heard of it... but just to clear up some things,

to make it easier, im just searching on newegg... so newegg obtainable parts =)
also i heard stories from my friend that having over two STICKS of memory in dual channel would slow it down? i dont know if thats true....

would having 2gb sticks x2 be ok? totalling to 4gb?... haha i wonder how fast having 8gbs of memory is.... should i? haha... im trying to compile a list of parts for a computer... but becuase im like tim the tool guy from home improvement show, wanting the best of everything, i am trying to compile two lists; one that totals to like $2500 and one that totals to like $5000..... focusing on cpu, mobo, memory, vid card, etc.

thanks for the posts people.. i really appreciate your help...

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: BeLikeMiKe716
also, whats VIA?... haha i never heard of it... but just to clear up some things,

to make it easier, im just searching on newegg... so newegg obtainable parts =)
also i heard stories from my friend that having over two STICKS of memory in dual channel would slow it down? i dont know if thats true....

would having 2gb sticks x2 be ok? totalling to 4gb?... haha i wonder how fast having 8gbs of memory is.... should i? haha... im trying to compile a list of parts for a computer... but becuase im like tim the tool guy from home improvement show, wanting the best of everything, i am trying to compile two lists; one that totals to like $2500 and one that totals to like $5000..... focusing on cpu, mobo, memory, vid card, etc.

thanks for the posts people.. i really appreciate your help...

Even 4gb of ram would be a waste in almost any desktop system. 32bit windows can't allocate more than 2gb of ram to a single program anyway(there are a few exceptions with the /3gb switch). 1gb of ram is enough for most games and video encoding, but some newer games like having 2gb of ram. I would recomend getting 2x1gb sticks.


A 9600 is a pretty lousy video card for modern gaming, so if you want to play games better, you need a decent video card. SLI is a waste as well, unless you are running at a resolution of 1600x1200 or higher, and want all settings to be max, with max AA and AF.

Like Mark said, depending on what programs you run for your video encoding, a lot of them will take advantage of a dual core.

I wouldn't both going with raid-0 either, not a big enough differance(and no differance in most things) to be worth the trouble. My raid-0 setup improved my video encoding time by around 2 minutes while splitting files, (1 hour 8 minutes, vs. 1 hour 10 minutes), and improves load time in games by maybe a few seconds, so really doesn't make a big differance at all.

 

[BeLikeMiKe716]

wow... i thought raid 0 significantly makes things faster from all the reviews... they ranting about how they can install windows in like 5 minutes or something....

i usually use adobe photoshop and adobe premiere at the same time; using filters and processing the images as well as rendering video files and such... ripping raw footage off of DV tapes really kills my computer... like 30 minutes is like 2 gigs or such... so i really need to find a good way to compress it or rip them... anyone have tips?

i need the quality maintained if possible... im looking at like dvd rips and wonder how some of the rips are crystal clear while maintaining smaller filesizes....

lately whenever i finalize videos they still come out with "tv lines" across them. like if i was watching tv and the horizontal tiny tube lines are showing.... and i play around with the settings but no sucess....

is it really useless to get 2 raptors in raid 0?... lol ive been so convinced by reading consumers reviews... and SLI also?.... when it comes to electronics i just always want the best... but then again what guy wouldnt....i just keep wondering because i have upgraded my computer to the second setup and i saw no difference...

to everyone who posted, once again thanks for all your advice...

 

[Effect]

2 Raptors in raid 0 is useless mainly due to the cost. The performance would be nice, but is it really necessary? If you've got the cash, and dont mind using it, and REALLY need the performance, then by all means, go for the raptors. SLI is the same, but would be handy if you really need bleeding edge performance in games (basically if you have a 20/24"+ monitor), but once again, if money is no object, then go for it, just note: you'll spend 2x the cash, and get ~1.2x-1.8x the performance, depending on the game. Oh, and dual core cpu's are pretty much a must if you're spending alot on a pc.

 

[biostud]

X2 + 2Gb ram FTW

for gaming add in a x1900xt

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: BeLikeMiKe716
wow... i thought raid 0 significantly makes things faster from all the reviews... they ranting about how they can install windows in like 5 minutes or something....

i usually use adobe photoshop and adobe premiere at the same time; using filters and processing the images as well as rendering video files and such... ripping raw footage off of DV tapes really kills my computer... like 30 minutes is like 2 gigs or such... so i really need to find a good way to compress it or rip them... anyone have tips?

i need the quality maintained if possible... im looking at like dvd rips and wonder how some of the rips are crystal clear while maintaining smaller filesizes....

lately whenever i finalize videos they still come out with "tv lines" across them. like if i was watching tv and the horizontal tiny tube lines are showing.... and i play around with the settings but no sucess....

is it really useless to get 2 raptors in raid 0?... lol ive been so convinced by reading consumers reviews... and SLI also?.... when it comes to electronics i just always want the best... but then again what guy wouldnt....i just keep wondering because i have upgraded my computer to the second setup and i saw no difference...

to everyone who posted, once again thanks for all your advice...

I can't install Windows in 5 minutes on an HP server with the new Ultra 320 SCSI drives.

For you I would use multiple HD's. One HD for the OS, and more HD's for different tasks you want to do. This way you break up the IO across multiple spindles. Don't use RAID5 since you are going to do a lot of writes and you will take a performance hit with the parity bit. You may want to think about building a system with hardware RAID0 with 4-5 drives. This way you can break the IO up and not worry about writing the parity bit. Just make sure to BACK UP YOUR DATA ON A REGULAR BASIS.

 

[ND40oz]

Originally posted by: alent1234

I can't install Windows in 5 minutes on an HP server with the new Ultra 320 SCSI drives.

I can, syspreped 2k3 on a spare disk, rebuild the array, up and running in less then 5 min as long as you have your array set to rebuild quickly. Cloning raid 5 is fun as well, just need 2 of the 3 sysprepped disks and make sure you stay in smart start as you let the array's rebuild.

Back on topic, your best bet is a dual core system (AMD is much better then intel with available offerings at this point in time), 2 gigs of ram in dual channel, and separate hard drives for OS and data. Personally I wouldn't waste my time with raid 0, but it's your data. Raid 5 is good enough for SQL servers and I don't think you would see a performance difference if you went raid 5 or 6 across multiple disks. It all depends on how much money you want to spend. Raid 6 is fun if you have a controller that supports it. My HP ML370 in my basement runs 8 36 gig ultra320s in a raid 6 array for a media server. I can have 2 drives go up and still be a-ok.

 

[Gamer X]

Get these components:

CPU: AMD X2 3800+
MB: ASUS Xpress 3200 CrossFire (939) A8R32-MVP Deluxe
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon X1900XTX 512MB
Memory: Corsair PC-4000 2x1024MB XMS Platinum (TWINX2048-4000PT)
HDD: Western Digital 1.5Gbps 150GB 10000RPM 16MB Raptor

If you are still not satisfied with the performance,I do not know of a system that will
make you.

 

[Ranulf]

Originally posted by: BeLikeMiKe716
sorry i forgot and left out that i have 1GB of memory and Radeon 9600 video card.... for the video card, i tihnk its OKAYyyy but i am mainly talking about performance of computer and how quick it is.... im not sure if vid card would contribute to performance... thanks for your inputs...

Bwhahaha. You're talking about your newer machine not being that fast in various games like HL2, farcry etc. while running a 9600 radeon... A card that was old when farcy came out IIRC. Video means almost everything when gaming.