AMD vs. INTEL in premiere / encore

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

alexruiz, thank you for clearing up this thread from myself and others.

 

[Jeff7181]

Just curious how many frames per second the Intel owners get when encoding using divx. There's obviously a ton of settings that can vary... but... most of the movies I encode I chop down to 700 MB to fit on a CD so I can take them with me somewhere since I don't have a DVD burner yet. Using divx 5.1 it would encode at about 60 frames per second if I didn't have to deinterlace... if I had to deinterlace it would do it at about 50. I tried using xvid in Gordian Knot and for some reason it was slower than divx... only about 40-45 frames per second to deinterlace and encode.
By the way... this was using a 2.2 GHz Barton with PC3200 RAM.

So... however you have it set up, on average, how many frames per second does your Intel rig encode using divx 5.1?

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

comparing encoding rates is impossibly hard. it all depends on what release of divx, number of passes, pixels, frames per second, endless divx tweaking, god the varibles are endless. that does seem about average though. and as said before,xvid will usually always be slower because of the different optimizations. Dvix is for intel, Xvid for AMD.

edit: i mis-read,your using AMD, the drop in speed could easily be contributed to software or codec settings. they hold much more effect on encoding than the hardware itself.

 

[metalmania]

Consider Xvid is more popular these days and Divx is dying, AMD rules.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Nemesis2038
I do a lot of video encoding and personally if its done by the time I wake up in the morning I am happy. Most encoding I do takes several hours. 6-14 hours on average. Were talking large files.

The P4 hands down will trump and Athlon XP.
The P4 will beat an Athlon 64 if your running a 32 bit version of video encoding.

However a Athlon 64 will punch, kick, and mame a P4 when running 64bit beta video encoding. Almost makes me wonder if the hard drive becomes the bottleneck.

If I had to guess I would say What the Athlon 64 can do in a hour the P4 can do in 40 mins the Opteron in 64bit mode can do in 25 mins.

Could you post settings? Please be as detailed as possible. I may reconsider what I use

- Source format
- Destination format
- Application used (version)
- codec / container settings
- WinXP for aMD64 build version

 

[Nemesis2038]

I am under an NDA agreement because it is in beta but well out of Alpha stages running on a Beta OS.
The first copies I used had a 30% chance of completion before it would exit or freeze mysteriously.
The last 2 builds are stable only 1 of the last 20 runs froze up.

As well I must agree with alexruiz information on encoding. There is a lot to be said for the encoder/system config/memory/drives etc among chips. Everything plays a role especially AV software and FSB. I always disable AV when encoding. I have no 64bit AV software yet.

I am comparing My Athlon XP 2400 running at 3300 vs P4 2.4C at 3.3Ghz vs Athlon 64 3500 at 3850Speeds.

The codec I am using is one that usually favors Intel P4 Chips. Thats as far as I can proably go with the NDA.

In the 32 bit world.
P4 Outpaces the Athlon XP significantly.
P4 Nudges out the Opteron but its the difference of a simpsons episode on Tivo on a typical 10 hour run. Bout a half hour tops.

When you do a 10 hour conversion a half hour doesnt make much difference you just go to bed and hope its done in the morning so you can master it to DVD's or Maybe it will be done after a day at work. The Athlon XP machine I wouldnt even bother checking the PC in the morning I would just assume it needed a few more hours to be done.

When using the 64bit Codec.
The Athlon 64 Crushed Everyone significantly.

I would gues a few review sites will be getting their hands on this soon for testing as its now stable enough for a good preview.

 

[Nemesis2038]

alexruiz

I would wait as I dont believe they are going to be able to release the software codec for this until Windows XP 64 is officially released.

By the time its released.
I would like to see how a Xeon with 64 bit extensions and the Opteron 939 chips do. As well as overclock. However I am not sure the wife will understand me sinking another 2k into a machine after just doing so before years end.

I also desperately need Dual Layered DVD's. Wont buy the burner until the DL's are easily available. I figure the 16x drives with DL will be common place by the time disk's arrive.

By the way its not ULEAD.

 

[Nemesis2038]

Sorry said Opteron 939 meant 90 micron opterons. My 3500 is a socket 939.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Nemesis2038
I am under an NDA agreement because it is in beta but well out of Alpha stages running on a Beta OS.
The first copies I used had a 30% chance of completion before it would exit or freeze mysteriously.
The last 2 builds are stable only 1 of the last 20 runs froze up.

As well I must agree with alexruiz information on encoding. There is a lot to be said for the encoder/system config/memory/drives etc among chips. Everything plays a role especially AV software and FSB. I always disable AV when encoding. I have no 64bit AV software yet.

I am comparing My Athlon XP 2400 running at 3300 vs P4 2.4C at 3.3Ghz vs Athlon 64 3500 at 3850Speeds.

The codec I am using is one that usually favors Intel P4 Chips. Thats as far as I can proably go with the NDA.

In the 32 bit world.
P4 Outpaces the Athlon XP significantly.
P4 Nudges out the Opteron but its the difference of a simpsons episode on Tivo on a typical 10 hour run. Bout a half hour tops.

When you do a 10 hour conversion a half hour doesnt make much difference you just go to bed and hope its done in the morning so you can master it to DVD's or Maybe it will be done after a day at work. The Athlon XP machine I wouldnt even bother checking the PC in the morning I would just assume it needed a few more hours to be done.

When using the 64bit Codec.
The Athlon 64 Crushed Everyone significantly.

I would gues a few review sites will be getting their hands on this soon for testing as its now stable enough for a good preview.

I think I know it... D i v X ?

 

[Nemesis2038]

Not Quite your thinking SDTV level. For that the P4 is a great CPU.

Try thinking HDTV 1080P.

You would need at least a 3.2Ghz CPU to play back one of the files I am working with otherwise it will not be watchable.

64bit seems to glide without any problems with room to spare.

Its a level of video compression that blows DVD away but yet is remarkably small in size.
Generally movies in this quality level span 2 4.3gig DVD's. DVD+9 hopefully will save the day.

If you ever plan on having your PC interface your HDTV this is the way to go.
I currently have mine outputting HDTV to 1080I through an ATI card with Component adapter.
1080P on my monitor occasionally.
I figure as technology advances 1080P will emerge as standard technology so I will be ready for it.

I also cant wait for next gen DVD players from Bravo and Apex.

 

[fsstrike]

Okay I have a question, let's say I am rendering a transition in Premiere and it takes me 5 minutes on a p4 3.4C. How much longer would it take on a A64 3400+?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Jeez, im ballparking it, but i would say not any more than 30 secs at the very MAX.

-Kevin

 

[Grimbones]

939's are nice and all...but i'd go with a 754 socket...they're a lot cheaper....and the performance of a 939 isn't that much greater at all...just go for the next one up on the 754 chain...yeeehaaaa

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: fsstrike
Okay I have a question, let's say I am rendering a transition in Premiere and it takes me 5 minutes on a p4 3.4C. How much longer would it take on a A64 3400+?

What version of Premiere?

Remember, version 6.5 and older run better on AMD hardware (K7/K8), while version 7 runs better on intel hardware. However, version 6.5 was quite faster than version 7.0 doing the exact same things.....

 

[wellsbeach]

Anyone here have any experience with AUDIO? Which relies heavy on FPU for vst plug-ins and such.

I am in the market to upgraede right now but know that the RAM prices are a little high.

Present: AMD XP 2400 using old PC2100 DDR.

Thanks

FWIW, I am also curious about this test/ Cubase Benchmark

http://www.fivetowers.moar.net/cubasetest/results.php?order=performance