Im thinking of getting a intel set-up soon and would like to know what would be
equivalent or better then an Opteron 185 with 2X 1GB Patriot Ram
equivalent or better then an Opteron 185 with 2X 1GB Patriot Ram
AMD vs Intel... help please
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Perhaps it's easier to say that a e6600 is the competitor of AMD's fastest cpu, the x2 6000+ clocked at 3ghz. Anything faster then a e6600 is faster then an AMD, some AMD chips will overclock past 3ghz, but not to many will. Lots of c2d's will clock past 2.4ghz, and a lot will clock past 3ghz can't be touched by AMD.
But, is it worth it to upgrade from a opty 185 to Intel right now ? Not sure, why not push that opty to it's limits, if you hit 3ghz, you should be happy with quite a fast machine, and perhaps wait till later this year, unless you got money to spare and are a high-end must have freak
Spending more money on a better videocard might be better, if gaming is your thing. If encoding and such is your thing, then getting a q6600 at 266$ might be worth it.
But, is it worth it to upgrade from a opty 185 to Intel right now ? Not sure, why not push that opty to it's limits, if you hit 3ghz, you should be happy with quite a fast machine, and perhaps wait till later this year, unless you got money to spare and are a high-end must have freak
Spending more money on a better videocard might be better, if gaming is your thing. If encoding and such is your thing, then getting a q6600 at 266$ might be worth it.Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Perhaps it's easier to say that a e6600 is the competitor of AMD's fastest cpu, the x2 6000+ clocked at 3ghz. Anything faster then a e6600 is faster then an AMD, some AMD chips will overclock past 3ghz, but not to many will. Lots of c2d's will clock past 2.4ghz, and a lot will clock past 3ghz can't be touched by AMD.
But, is it worth it to upgrade from a opty 185 to Intel right now ? Not sure, why not push that opty to it's limits, if you hit 3ghz, you should be happy with quite a fast machine, and perhaps wait till later this year, unless you got money to spare and are a high-end must have freak
you see Marc... thats my problem right now...
im no good @ this overclocking process and for some reason cant seem
to find the options for it on my MB *i see where im suppose to change the fsb but not
the multiplier* and dont understand the memory timing...
everytime i mess around with it.. .the computer just wont boot =/
i managed to oc my X2 4400+ to 2.6 so i cant tell much of a difference on my opty right now =/
Erm, well this is kind of an overclockers forum If you're mobo's bios is anything like mine, which I think it is, then it should look something like this where you can see the CPU configuration, and the Jumperfree configuration, right ?
Well, at the CPU configuration you can disable cool&quiet, then you go into DRAM configuration to mess with your timings. You should set TCL to 4, then the next number to 12, then the next number to 4, then the next number to 4 as well, voila, you got very relaxed timings, A.K.A 4-4-4-12 or 4-12-4-4, people use both kind of connotations. Also set your memory divider to 266mhz, that's pretty conservative, later on you can try 333mhz, or even 400, depending on how good your memory is! But for now put the memory at 266mhz, it at least won't be holding your OC down.
Then you go into the Jumperfree settings, like shown here, set the cpu multiplier to the highest possible, 13 I think it is, set the PCI express clock to 100, and the PCI clock synchronization mode to 33.33mhz! Then slowly start upping your FSB, I'd try 210, then 220, then 225, then 230, 235 etc, till it doesn't boot. Then simply back down 5, and boot into XP. Stresstest it, chances are, it will not be stable, it needs more vcore! You wanna watch temps too ofcourse, don't let them go above 60 celsius. Depending on your cooler you can do various vcores, but don't go higher then 1.45c, that seems the be a somewhat conservative maximum that people agreed upon. Chances are it will OC to perhaps 3ghz at 1.35-1.4vcore.
Keep testing and testing till something works, is stable, and doesn't overheat. Could use small fft's to be on the save side, or just blend in orthos. My experience is that games and such using both cores, like shadowrun/two worlds, don't get my temps above 50 celsius, small fft's get my temps at 55, so 5 degrees celsius margin. Once it's stable, could try lowering the timings and upping the frequency it runs at. Keep an eye on it with CPU-Z, and remember, higher vram often means it will do higher frequences, but you gotta know the max save vram for your ram. My ddr 400 cheap ass value kingston is save from 2.5 to 2.7v, but it differs per ram!
Any questions ?
Good luck !
If you're mobo's bios is anything like mine, which I think it is, then it should look something like this where you can see the CPU configuration, and the Jumperfree configuration, right ?Well, at the CPU configuration you can disable cool&quiet, then you go into DRAM configuration to mess with your timings. You should set TCL to 4, then the next number to 12, then the next number to 4, then the next number to 4 as well, voila, you got very relaxed timings, A.K.A 4-4-4-12 or 4-12-4-4, people use both kind of connotations. Also set your memory divider to 266mhz, that's pretty conservative, later on you can try 333mhz, or even 400, depending on how good your memory is! But for now put the memory at 266mhz, it at least won't be holding your OC down.
Then you go into the Jumperfree settings, like shown here, set the cpu multiplier to the highest possible, 13 I think it is, set the PCI express clock to 100, and the PCI clock synchronization mode to 33.33mhz! Then slowly start upping your FSB, I'd try 210, then 220, then 225, then 230, 235 etc, till it doesn't boot. Then simply back down 5, and boot into XP. Stresstest it, chances are, it will not be stable, it needs more vcore! You wanna watch temps too ofcourse, don't let them go above 60 celsius. Depending on your cooler you can do various vcores, but don't go higher then 1.45c, that seems the be a somewhat conservative maximum that people agreed upon. Chances are it will OC to perhaps 3ghz at 1.35-1.4vcore.
Keep testing and testing till something works, is stable, and doesn't overheat. Could use small fft's to be on the save side, or just blend in orthos. My experience is that games and such using both cores, like shadowrun/two worlds, don't get my temps above 50 celsius, small fft's get my temps at 55, so 5 degrees celsius margin. Once it's stable, could try lowering the timings and upping the frequency it runs at. Keep an eye on it with CPU-Z, and remember, higher vram often means it will do higher frequences, but you gotta know the max save vram for your ram. My ddr 400 cheap ass value kingston is save from 2.5 to 2.7v, but it differs per ram!
Any questions ?
Good luck !
hey Marc, thnx for the tips and yes i do have questions... i think ill never run out of questions =P
you said that i shouldnt go higher then 1.45vcore on max oc... so wouldnt it be better
to put it on 1.45vcore from the start? then mess around with the fsb?
im actually @ work right now so ill have to wait to see my bios options but i dont quite remember seeing the multiplier options.. hm... ill have to double check
you said that i shouldnt go higher then 1.45vcore on max oc... so wouldnt it be better
to put it on 1.45vcore from the start? then mess around with the fsb?
im actually @ work right now so ill have to wait to see my bios options but i dont quite remember seeing the multiplier options.. hm... ill have to double check
Hey it's possibillity, I like to find out 2 different kinds of overclocks. The maximum overclock, using the maximum voltage I feel comfortable at, and the overclock I can do at stock voltage. I really don't know a lot about how overclocking affects the cpu's lifetime. What I do know is from hearsay, things about heat and electromigration. Electromigration is well documented on wikipedia, but basicaly it's a bad thing, and it gets worse with higher voltages, hence I like to overclock on the stock or near stock voltage. My x2 3800+ for example oc-ed to 2.6ghz without touching the vcore, which is at 1.35v right now. Don't worry to much though, running your cpu at above stock voltages doesn't mean it could die anyday, it does shorten the lifespan, and estimates are that cpu's will last 10 years or longer. So if it halfs the lifespan, there's nothing to worry about, in 5 years this cpu will be recycled and made into a plastic cup, pun intended
thnx marc,
i get on it once i get home tonight and post up my specs as i push this opty...
thnx for your help so far... ill keep you posted
ill have more questions so dont run away!
i get on it once i get home tonight and post up my specs as i push this opty...
thnx for your help so far... ill keep you posted
ill have more questions so dont run away!
It's sleepy time, give me 10 hours and I'll try and answer any question you got, regarding pc's that is
The Asus mobo has an AMI BIOS. The are slight differences with the Award BIOS. For your information this is a basic overclocking guide for the Asus.
It is important to understand the theory behind dual-channel ram. PC3200 is rated at 400MHz but effectively it is 2 x 200MHz. When you seek to overclock the cpu you have to ""generally"" underclock the memory freq a proportionate amount. Now here is where it is up to you . . .
If you would like to ultimately reach your potential 25% OC you would have to set your Memory Limit to 166MHz (2 x 166MHz x 125%)
OOPS! That's an effective RAM freq of 416MHz. I guess that's PC3328 - With your rig I think you will be okay.
But in case you are worried I did some quick math: At a fsb of 241 your effective speed would be 3133MHz with a total RAM freq at 400MHz. Not too shabby . . .
I like to build up slowly at stock volts and 'burn-in' system settings. I think you will be surprised at how high you may reach at stock volts. The important thing is to be as patient as possible. As you raise the fsb and 'hit the wall' lightly bump up the cpu voltage.
Or, what the heck, ctank 'er up and let 'er rip - lol - BUT be sure to monitor your system settings!
Good luck!
The Opty 185 has a multiplier of 13. I would leave the multiplier at 13. If your question is in regard to the HTT multiplier this would be modified from the standard 5x from the setting K8>NB Multiplier: 4X. The *North Bridge* multiplier is the memory controller, or HTT multipler. This will give you the headroom to reach up to 3.25GHz (with a fsb of 250MHz - a 25% overclock).
It is important to understand the theory behind dual-channel ram. PC3200 is rated at 400MHz but effectively it is 2 x 200MHz. When you seek to overclock the cpu you have to ""generally"" underclock the memory freq a proportionate amount. Now here is where it is up to you . . .
If you would like to ultimately reach your potential 25% OC you would have to set your Memory Limit to 166MHz (2 x 166MHz x 125%)
OOPS! That's an effective RAM freq of 416MHz. I guess that's PC3328 -
With your rig I think you will be okay. But in case you are worried I did some quick math: At a fsb of 241 your effective speed would be 3133MHz with a total RAM freq at 400MHz. Not too shabby . . .
I like to build up slowly at stock volts and 'burn-in' system settings. I think you will be surprised at how high you may reach at stock volts. The important thing is to be as patient as possible. As you raise the fsb and 'hit the wall' lightly bump up the cpu voltage.
Or, what the heck, ctank 'er up and let 'er rip - lol - BUT be sure to monitor your system settings!
Good luck!
Now, that's just FUD
hm... you make it sound like its easy to get a 25% overclock...
but i havent seen many even pass 3ghz in some of the forums ive read
but i havent seen many even pass 3ghz in some of the forums ive read
well heres an update marc
Currently got my opty 185 funny on 230*13 @ 2990 with a 1.4vcore
i had it post @ 245*13 and it posted but wouldnt boot into windows
i had it boot on 235*13 but it failed on SP2004.. im guessing thats orthos right?
currently running orthos with my current set-up and its been stable for 17mins on both cores...
now im doing this w/out messing much with the memory, only thing i changed is the t1/t2
... currently @ t1 and the mem divider is @ 166
couldnt find the parts you were talking bout changing the timing
my cpu-z is saying its currently @ Cas Lat - 2.0
Ras tp Cas Delay - 3
Ras precharge - 2
Cycle time (tras) - 5
Bank Cycle time (trc) - 11
if that means anything =/
im trying to get the cpu-z to validate but it says the file is corrupt... why would it be saying that?
Currently got my opty 185 funny on 230*13 @ 2990 with a 1.4vcore
i had it post @ 245*13 and it posted but wouldnt boot into windows
i had it boot on 235*13 but it failed on SP2004.. im guessing thats orthos right?
currently running orthos with my current set-up and its been stable for 17mins on both cores...
now im doing this w/out messing much with the memory, only thing i changed is the t1/t2
... currently @ t1 and the mem divider is @ 166
couldnt find the parts you were talking bout changing the timing
my cpu-z is saying its currently @ Cas Lat - 2.0
Ras tp Cas Delay - 3
Ras precharge - 2
Cycle time (tras) - 5
Bank Cycle time (trc) - 11
if that means anything =/
im trying to get the cpu-z to validate but it says the file is corrupt... why would it be saying that?
Here is a review you ought to read before buying any thing even if you don't overclock your opty.
Weighing the value of today's processors
According to the findings in this article it may not be worth the extra money to switch from a opty or Athlon X2 to a Intel CPU. This of course depends on what you will be doing. If it is gaming, then it definitely is not worth the extra money since your GPU will most likely be the bottle neck in the system.
I would just wait until the next generation AMD and Intel cpu's hit the market before upgrading and use the money on a 8800 GTS 320 or 640.
Weighing the value of today's processors
According to the findings in this article it may not be worth the extra money to switch from a opty or Athlon X2 to a Intel CPU. This of course depends on what you will be doing. If it is gaming, then it definitely is not worth the extra money since your GPU will most likely be the bottle neck in the system.
I would just wait until the next generation AMD and Intel cpu's hit the market before upgrading and use the money on a 8800 GTS 320 or 640.
Ah I forgot to mention the HTT multiplier, did you find it Tboy ? you have to set it to 4, ideally it should be around 1000 in the end, so 4*250, but 4*230 is good as well. It doesn't really affect performance. And yeah those ram numbers do mean something. It means you got some very tight timings ram, mine are like 2.5, 3, 3, 9.
Is your rig still stable under orthos blend ? Because if you don't overclock much, like 220-230fsb, it is very well possible that your ram can run 1:1 with the fsb, in other words, it will run at 440-460mhz, instead of the stock 400mhz.
heyheybooboo kinda confused things a little. If your bios doesn't look like mine, then your memory settings might indeed be saying 100, 133, 166, 200. You have to multiply that by 2 to get to the effective speed. In my bios it's a little different, so that must have been a little confusing for you Anyways, if your overclock is stable, you COULD try setting the memory at 200. If that doesnt work, put it down to 166. If you want to figure out how to change your timings in WINDOWS, then ask around, because with more relaxed timings your memory probably will do 440-460mhz and thus run 1:1 with your CPU. Also, t1 is faster then t2 So that's a good thing, if it works.
Also, did you monitor the temps your opty was doing at 1.4vcore and at 3ghz ? Use speedfan and cpu rightmark, to crossreference.
Is your rig still stable under orthos blend ? Because if you don't overclock much, like 220-230fsb, it is very well possible that your ram can run 1:1 with the fsb, in other words, it will run at 440-460mhz, instead of the stock 400mhz.
heyheybooboo kinda confused things a little. If your bios doesn't look like mine, then your memory settings might indeed be saying 100, 133, 166, 200. You have to multiply that by 2 to get to the effective speed. In my bios it's a little different, so that must have been a little confusing for you
Anyways, if your overclock is stable, you COULD try setting the memory at 200. If that doesnt work, put it down to 166. If you want to figure out how to change your timings in WINDOWS, then ask around, because with more relaxed timings your memory probably will do 440-460mhz and thus run 1:1 with your CPU. Also, t1 is faster then t2 So that's a good thing, if it works.Also, did you monitor the temps your opty was doing at 1.4vcore and at 3ghz ? Use speedfan and cpu rightmark, to crossreference.
well here is another update
finally got cpu-z working... apparently i had an oudated version =p
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=214175
And yes i did change the HTT to 4x, cause i notice i had an awfully low HTT when i 1st booted up.. showed something like 690? (230*3) so i went back into bios and changed it
Now as in for the memory timing, your saying that my memory is very "tight" but thats the stock timing as it comes from the factory
when i goto into the memory settings... just dont understand what parts to change... =p
As in for the mem divider, it does only say 100/133/166/200
Also yes i was running a temp program (speed fan) and noctice a stupid high increase ... nearly 59Celcius, then realize i had my fan on low... cranked her up but its still @ about 50Celcius...
im gonna try to lower the volt tonight and try to figure out a way to understand my memory setting so i can change it to what you recommended
I wasnt sure how long i was suppose to run SP2004 so i ran it for 17mins and turned it off and ran Super PI, save and open up 2 programs right? 32m went on about 32mins... is that bad?
finally got cpu-z working... apparently i had an oudated version =p
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=214175
And yes i did change the HTT to 4x, cause i notice i had an awfully low HTT when i 1st booted up.. showed something like 690? (230*3) so i went back into bios and changed it
Now as in for the memory timing, your saying that my memory is very "tight" but thats the stock timing as it comes from the factory
when i goto into the memory settings... just dont understand what parts to change... =p
As in for the mem divider, it does only say 100/133/166/200
Also yes i was running a temp program (speed fan) and noctice a stupid high increase ... nearly 59Celcius, then realize i had my fan on low... cranked her up but its still @ about 50Celcius...
im gonna try to lower the volt tonight and try to figure out a way to understand my memory setting so i can change it to what you recommended
I wasnt sure how long i was suppose to run SP2004 so i ran it for 17mins and turned it off and ran Super PI, save and open up 2 programs right? 32m went on about 32mins... is that bad?
Never ran SuperPi, stupid benchmark imo Run orthos blend for like 4 hours, that usually does it. Other people preach longer times, I don't. As for the memory timings, you did find them in your bios ? Make a picture of it with a digital camera, upload it, and show me And I know it's stock timings They are pretty low though.
Run orthos blend for like 4 hours, that usually does it. Other people preach longer times, I don't. As for the memory timings, you did find them in your bios ? Make a picture of it with a digital camera, upload it, and show me And I know it's stock timings They are pretty low though.how bout my temp? i think its running a bit too hot for my taste... hasnt been but a month since i got the opty so im gonna let it burn in a bit... and try to lower volt and up the fsb again...
50 celsius at 1,4vcore and 2.9-3ghz, UNDER LOAD, blend or small fft's ? Blend or small fft's, doesn't matter imo, then 50 celsius is just fine. Like I said, mine hits 55 celsius under small fft's and I'm pretty okay with that, when gaming, the most intensive thing I do with my CPU for 90% of the time, my cpu doesn't top 50celsius, it's usually high 40's, so that's perfect in my book. I am at 1.35vcore btw and 2.6ghz.
it was around 50 for the blend, i didnt get a chance to try the small ffts~
btw what kind of cpu cooler are you using? is the one i have any good?
btw what kind of cpu cooler are you using? is the one i have any good?
Zalman 9700 is supposed to be pretty decent. I'm using a arctic cooler 64 pro. What's your ambient temps ? Mine are 20ish, slightly lower I guess. But since you're pushing a little more vcore and more mhz, it's normal for your cpu to heat up a little more. Just don't let it go above 60 and your perfectly fine. 60 is a pretty conservative maximum, it can heat up to 65 and still be fine, but I don't like anything over 60 myself
ive actually noticed people leaning more towards the freezer pro compared to the
zalman's lately
zalman's lately
i have another qestion for you Marc... hope you can answer me this
lately on the forums, alot of people want to upgrade to intel cause of the price cuts...
why do people recommend the e6420 over anything else? with the price cut, is the e6600 and e6700 not worth the extra few bucks?
lately on the forums, alot of people want to upgrade to intel cause of the price cuts...
why do people recommend the e6420 over anything else? with the price cut, is the e6600 and e6700 not worth the extra few bucks?
Usually the e6420 overclocks to the same clockspeed as a e6600, and a e6700 is a lot more expensive then even the e6600, and even it does 200mhz more, it's not worth the extra 80-110$ over a e6420/e6600. But it's allready a bit of a tossup between the e6420 and the e6600, and after the price cut you will probably see more people leaning towards the e6600.
with the e6600 oc'ed to 3Ghz and my opty 185 oc'ed to 3ghz, will there actually be that much of a performance difference? i read with the e6600 you can push it more then 3ghz on air with
barely raising the voltage...
and as in for my opty... ive yet to see on any forum where some one has oc'ed it past 3.1ghz... anything over that was done on w/c
barely raising the voltage...
and as in for my opty... ive yet to see on any forum where some one has oc'ed it past 3.1ghz... anything over that was done on w/c
c2d's are about 20-25% faster then AMD's x2's clock for clock. If you encode video kind of stuff for example, and it usually takes 10 minutes with your opty, it will take 7.5 minutes with a core 2 duo. But for general usage, like windows, office, browsing the internet, you won't notice a difference. In games, you won't be CPU limited either with a 3ghz opteron. Hence I don't think it is yet worth it to go C2D, your system is by now means a slow one. I bought the 3800+, oced it to 2.6ghz, and don't plan on upgrading for another 12-18 months.
It all depends on how much you can and are willing to spend, and how much performance you really need. If I were you, I would be quite a happy camper with an opteron at 3ghz.
It all depends on how much you can and are willing to spend, and how much performance you really need. If I were you, I would be quite a happy camper with an opteron at 3ghz.
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