amd venice 3500 and 3800 preview!

[saaya]

the 3500+ clocks worse than the 3800 but still reached 2850mhz with just 1.38v under a single stage phase change cooling from pc ice. so the cpu was at only -40°C and not the usual -100°C

the low temp bug seems to be totally gone though!
the memory controller really flies and the added sse3 should add a nice little boost in future apps that support it

3500+ venice
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57291

3800+ venice
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313

 

[Acanthus]

That is not an impressive OC for phase change. (for the 3500+)

Edit: However, the 3800+ @~3.1ghz stable on mach 2 is.

 

[NetDevil]

Not at all.....looks kinda lame for what i was expecting

 

[DrMrLordX]

I dunno, 2.85 ghz at stock vcore? Nothin wrong with that.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Its a tease? Give that baby some juice! Stock Vcore and Phase change shouldn't be used in the same sentence!

Looks promising though, with some volts 3ghz or maybe more looks acheivable with Phase on a 3500+, can't do that with a Winnie. On the 3800+ he gave it some volts and could get 3.2 pretty easily. Once these are in circulation and the hardcore guys with volt moded boards and cascade cooling get their hands on some we may see some CRAZY numbers

It looks like 2.8-2.9 on air is very likely for the 3500+ which would be a good thing! Now if the 3200+ and 3000+ have the same characteristics I'll be a happy camper

 

[NetDevil]

A friend of mine overclocked his 3000+ water cooled winchester to 3ghz and run 3dmark stable. Here are some pictures(sorry for the 3dmark01 on the desktop and no cpuz but he`s trying to be in top 5 futuremark) :
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1251
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1254
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1259

Later edit: In the second and the third picture there is no cas number because the cpuz didn`t recognised cas 1.5

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Its a tease? Give that baby some juice! Stock Vcore and Phase change shouldn't be used in the same sentence!

Looks promising though, with some volts 3ghz or maybe more looks acheivable with Phase on a 3500+, can't do that with a Winnie. On the 3800+ he gave it some volts and could get 3.2 pretty easily. Once these are in circulation and the hardcore guys with volt moded boards and cascade cooling get their hands on some we may see some CRAZY numbers

It looks like 2.8-2.9 on air is very likely for the 3500+ which would be a good thing! Now if the 3200+ and 3000+ have the same characteristics I'll be a happy camper

I agree some of the guys above better pull their heads our of their arse or Intel's arse....That is stock vcore of 1.408v...With phase change cooling he has probably about .3v more to play with....

Based on where these guys were getting the FX55's with phase cooling and vcore at this same level also leads me to belive 2.9-3.0ghz is possible with good air copoling, and vcore up to the 1.5-1.55v range.....

The other guy I have been following and he hit 3.4ghz range but was not prime stable except for down just below 3.2ghz for almost 1.5 hours (blend test)...he really hadn't been tweaking it and his ram was a bit high based on the bandwidth so he wasn't really isolating then conslidating like he should have been to find ultimtae stable speeds. It is likley the ram speed and timings are holding him back...It is likely it is 3.2ghz or a bit more....He stated that was not his goal to tweak all the setting to be prime stable. He obviously need sto use some dividers and it may be a real possibility.....

He got pretty high with just the FX55 stock cooling alone and that is the true news....That is what leads many of us to believe 2.9-3.0ghz is in range for good air cooling for the serious ocers WITH THE RIGHT OTHER COMPONENTS...I state that so every noob doesn't think he can do this with stock cooling, subpar PSU, and no experience....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
I dunno, 2.85 ghz at stock vcore? Nothin wrong with that.

On supercooling, is no accomplishment.

 

[thanatos355]

bah, screw phase change, bring on the air cooler results!

 

[Duvie]

There has been look at the 3800+ guy who ran it for the first few days on a stock FX55 cooler, before he moeved to pahse changing on the constant nagging for him to test the subzero bug.....

Also just look at the FX55 testing by some there with phase coolers and see where they were getting with stock voltage....

"On supercooling, is no accomplishment."

Except on page 2 he was at 2.95ghz still at stock vcore and succesfully ran superpi 1mb...Again he hasn't even began to volt and may get more on stock vcore....still look at where many were getting the FX55's with stock vcore and phase cooling....That is where a person can analyse this more...


Edit: also if you read you will see PC ICE has one and will be testing his with a water setup as well....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Duvie
There has been look at the 3800+ guy who ran it for the first few days on a stock FX55 cooler, before he moeved to pahse changing on the constant nagging for him to test the subzero bug.....

Also just look at the FX55 testing by some there with phase coolers and see where they were getting with stock voltage....

"On supercooling, is no accomplishment."

Except on page 2 he was at 2.95ghz still at stock vcore and succesfully ran superpi 1mb...Again he hasn't even began to volt and may get more on stock vcore....still look at where many were getting the FX55's with stock vcore and phase cooling....That is where a person can analyse this more...


Edit: also if you read you will see PC ICE has one and will be testing his with a water setup as well....

successfully running superpi once is not an accomplishment either... I can run superpi once at 4.2ghz on water. does that mean its stable? not even close.

 

[Avalon]

I'd rather see some results on air cooling so I can more easily gauge the results of that overclock. Most of us here will be using good air/water cooling anyway. Hopefully good things to come, though.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Duvie
There has been look at the 3800+ guy who ran it for the first few days on a stock FX55 cooler, before he moeved to pahse changing on the constant nagging for him to test the subzero bug.....

Also just look at the FX55 testing by some there with phase coolers and see where they were getting with stock voltage....

"On supercooling, is no accomplishment."

Except on page 2 he was at 2.95ghz still at stock vcore and succesfully ran superpi 1mb...Again he hasn't even began to volt and may get more on stock vcore....still look at where many were getting the FX55's with stock vcore and phase cooling....That is where a person can analyse this more...


Edit: also if you read you will see PC ICE has one and will be testing his with a water setup as well....

successfully running superpi once is not an accomplishment either... I can run superpi once at 4.2ghz on water. does that mean its stable? not even close.

Well that shows your cluelessness on A64 rigs.....Superpi 1mb usually can be done on an unstable system but nowhere near the spread you are showing....I can run superpi 1mb at 2.7ghz not 1 HTT more yet the system at same vcore is prime and memtest stable (24 hours) just 40mhz lower.....The sensitvity of having the onchip memory controller makes superpi a good stbility check for AMD64 systems....

I could run superpi 32mb on my p4 on a system that would fail prime in under 2 minutes...That is a p4 architecture issue....


Also as usual your are ASSumming too much....How do you know he can't do 3.0ghz at 1.408vcore still?? You dont cause he hasn't posted any further...So sit back, SHUT-UP, and wait and see....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Duvie
There has been look at the 3800+ guy who ran it for the first few days on a stock FX55 cooler, before he moeved to pahse changing on the constant nagging for him to test the subzero bug.....

Also just look at the FX55 testing by some there with phase coolers and see where they were getting with stock voltage....

"On supercooling, is no accomplishment."

Except on page 2 he was at 2.95ghz still at stock vcore and succesfully ran superpi 1mb...Again he hasn't even began to volt and may get more on stock vcore....still look at where many were getting the FX55's with stock vcore and phase cooling....That is where a person can analyse this more...


Edit: also if you read you will see PC ICE has one and will be testing his with a water setup as well....

successfully running superpi once is not an accomplishment either... I can run superpi once at 4.2ghz on water. does that mean its stable? not even close.

Well that shows your cluelessness on A64 rigs.....Superpi 1mb usually can be done on an unstable system but nowhere near the spread you are showing....I can run superpi 1mb at 2.7ghz not 1 HTT more yet the system at same vcore is prime and memtest stable (24 hours) just 40mhz lower.....The sensitvity of having the onchip memory controller makes superpi a good stbility check for AMD64 systems....

I could run superpi 32mb on my p4 on a system that would fail prime in under 2 minutes...That is a p4 architecture issue....


Also as usual your are ASSumming too much....How do you know he can't do 3.0ghz at 1.408vcore still?? You dont cause he hasn't posted any further...So sit back, SHUT-UP, and wait and see....

As usual? Usually im behind your posts duvie if you check back...

Anyway, The numbers we are seeing are not impressive, thats all im saying. I was hoping for more, but it doesnt look like it is there.

For whatever reason you felt the need to attack me for what im seeing, ill be the bigger person and just suck it up.

 

[Duvie]

I think you are judging too early and haven't really looked at the numbers in how they relate to the FX55...We are talking about improvement with the venice cores, not mind blowing improvement...If it allows us 200-300more mhz at stock that is something.


There are examples already of veice cores on stock cooling and phase cooling, stock vcore and overvolting....just look at the numbers now and look behind final stability at the moment. None of these uys are tweaking yet. they are all holding high ram dividers and aggressive timings...no one is even trying right now...they are seeing how it boots. I think 2.95ghz so far from a 2.2ghz still booting into windows and running superpi 1mb (far better then runnig snadra scores) at stock vcore is impressive and not many of the FX55's did this....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you are judging too early and haven't really looked at the numbers in how they relate to the FX55...We are talking about improvement with the venice cores, not mind blowing improvement...If it allows us 200-300more mhz at stock that is something.


There are examples already of veice cores on stock cooling and phase cooling, stock vcore and overvolting....just look at the numbers now and look behind final stability at the moment. None of these uys are tweaking yet. they are all holding high ram dividers and aggressive timings...no one is even trying right now...they are seeing how it boots. I think 2.95ghz so far from a 2.2ghz still booting into windows and running superpi 1mb (far better then runnig snadra scores) at stock vcore is impressive and not many of the FX55's did this....

But this is with $1000 cooling...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you are judging too early and haven't really looked at the numbers in how they relate to the FX55...We are talking about improvement with the venice cores, not mind blowing improvement...If it allows us 200-300more mhz at stock that is something.


There are examples already of veice cores on stock cooling and phase cooling, stock vcore and overvolting....just look at the numbers now and look behind final stability at the moment. None of these uys are tweaking yet. they are all holding high ram dividers and aggressive timings...no one is even trying right now...they are seeing how it boots. I think 2.95ghz so far from a 2.2ghz still booting into windows and running superpi 1mb (far better then runnig snadra scores) at stock vcore is impressive and not many of the FX55's did this....

But this is with $1000 cooling...

I know!!!

Howvere in one of the instances it was done with stock cooling....

IN another instance we can look at it comparatively to an FX55 and phase cooling to get an understanding how much better this is versus the FX55...in terms it is relative how much better an venice core air cooling and stock vcore will do versus the FX55....

YOu can look beyond the cooling at the moment....

 

[PetNorth]

sit back, SHUT-UP, and wait and see.... good advice.

3.0ghz stock voltage 1.4v, right now.

 

[ssvegeta1010]

This is great!

What are some of you expecting, a 1 ghz OC on air with .1v over stock?
(Keep in mind that these chips wont be horribly expensive also, being comparative to an FX-55 for 350+ less is good enough for me)

 

[Keysplayr]

Don't any of you guys have girlfriends or something?

 

[saaya]

sorry, i should have mentioned it, yeah it was just a tease, its just the first results we started with

3ghz was the max, all benches could pass at that speed, we didnt have time to test prime though since we're in a hurry to test other stuff first

it went fine with 3.1ghz even, but no benches at that speed were possible...
pc ice is doing a great job so far, tomorrow oppainter himself will borrow the chips and put it under his cascade
from -40 to -100 hehehe

and no, the cooling pc ice used doesnt cost 1000$, its a single stage and he also builds and seels a few of those, i think they cost around 400$, i dont know for sure though

i have no idear why dave didnt up the vcore some more... well we still have a few days to play with this cpu, so im sure we will find its sweet spot
and btw, the 3800+ did better than this one, 3.45ghz with 1.68v under a mach2gt wich is worse cooling than the single stage pc ice used for this 3500+!

 

[thanatos355]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Don't any of you guys have girlfriends or something?

long after the gfs/wifes are satisfied and asleep, our lust for new toys remain unslaked!

 

[thriemus]

/me already has his cpu lined up to be sold to a friend who wants to upgrade! Then I can get one of these babies and oc to the max!

 

[saaya]

the 3800+ clocks even better than the 3500+, so i think the 3500+ is close to the average overlock we will see from this chips, but we will know more about that when they are out

 

[Acanthus]

After "giving them some time" it looks like the 3500+ and 3800+ overclock very similarly to the FX-55. They will however be cheaper, so while there is a marked improvement, i dont see anything really exciting about it. The chip reacts poorly to voltage increases once it hits the clock wall as well.