AMD Tri-Core available on newegg...

[AMDrulZ]

i hope i am the first with this...lol check it out the tri-cores have arrived... WOW there listed as B3 Stepping parts....


http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103253

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
WOW there listed as B3 Stepping parts....

Whats wrong with that? Instead of having to sell them as dual cores or potentially pitching them AMD can still make some profit off them. It's like having the detuned mustang engine in the crown vic.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, but the problem is that the only people who should even consider these are current am2 or am2+ owners. why spend 172 shipped for a 2.3 ghz tri-core that will almost certainly have problems clocking very well when you can spend 190+- for a Q6600 that will easily get a 33% oc for nearly anybody, and will often get closer to 50% oc?

 

[Gikaseixas]

the thing is nobody tried to overclock these yet. Let's wait for reviews before we make our judgement but being so close in price to the Q6600 is not a good idea.

 

[taltamir]

mmm... what does it actually do better then the 3ghz X2 or the 3ghz wolfdale?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yeah, but the problem is that the only people who should even consider these are current am2 or am2+ owners. why spend 172 shipped for a 2.3 ghz tri-core that will almost certainly have problems clocking very well when you can spend 190+- for a Q6600 that will easily get a 33% oc for nearly anybody, and will often get closer to 50% oc?

If you don't overclock and the 780G platform is attractive to you, then it does make good sense...

 

[nanaki333]

at this price point, it's not even really worth it. i was expecting sub 100 for this. you can get a brand new Q6600 for $200 or less at fry's or microcenter now a days.

 

[Killrose]

I dont think that a Phenom B3 tri-core @2.3gig is going to give me anything more that my A64 dual core BE5000+ @3gig isnt giving me now, or at least not that I could ever notice. I would like to see what a BE Phenom tri-core could do overclocked however.

Hopefully if they get it together on 45nm I might upgrade, but only if I can get support on my 690G chipset MB will I bite, maybe...

 

[o1die]

Fry's has the old 9500 retail boxed for $130 in yesterday's ad. At that price point, there's no point in buying a tri-core model.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: o1die
Fry's has the old 9500 retail boxed for $130 in yesterday's ad. At that price point, there's no point in buying a tri-core model.

The real question is, is the reason for the tri-core pricing because AMD is charging too much, or is it that NewEgg is charging a premium to first adopters (as usual)?

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: o1die
Fry's has the old 9500 retail boxed for $130 in yesterday's ad. At that price point, there's no point in buying a tri-core model.

The real question is, is the reason for the tri-core pricing because AMD is charging too much, or is it that NewEgg is charging a premium to first adopters (as usual)?

At this point Newegg is probably price gouging as usual for a new product, but I wouldn't expect AMD's official pricing to be miraculous.

I think AMD is at a point where they just can't lower prices much further and still make selling these CPUs worthwhile. A Q6600 is cheaper than a Phenom X4 9550 at this point, but AMD isn't lowering its price. Phenom is a huge 285mm^2 chip.... it's not something any company wants to sell for <$200.

AMD's problem is that the Q6600 is so cheap, it makes it very hard to choose anything else. Even if Phenom 9550 was $150, for most people it would make sense to spend $30 more and get a Q6600. When you are talking about an X3 8750 for $150.... then it's not even a choice anymore.

 

[AMDrulZ]

i think that the tri core is worth it esp.. over a crappy 9500 model remember this is a B3 chip no TLB bug and judging from the THG test of a B2 stepping quad with one core disabled... you would really not notice the missing core... and even though the tri cores are a little pricey they are still cheaper than any of the new B3 stepping phenoms.. and about the $170 for a Q6600 that was only someone trying the sell some old stock that is not there standard retail price heck i think the Q6600 for $170 are OEM cpu only... the tri core has a heat sink and fan a crappy one but still important on a budget build... and the tri cores will out perform nearly all dual core chips on any multi treaded aps.. if the tri core can over clock to 2.8ghz they will be a good budget cpu... and im sure prices will start to go down when there more available...

 

[BlueAcolyte]

But it just isn't worth it. What does it matter if the Q6600 pricing is just dumping old stock? That's one less sale for AMD. Plus, people who buy OEM cpus know what they're getting.

Honestly, I'd rather get a dual-core 5000BE or 5200 Brisbane and OC it to over 3GHz. Or even better, grab a wolfdale.

AMD is caught in a bit of a situation, but consumers will probably like these, I saw some at circuit city the other day.

 

[soccerballtux]

3 cores is just cooler than 2, cause 3 is a magic number

 

[AMDrulZ]

pretty much it boils down to this despite having 3 core it will perform very close to a quad core phenom and in some cases out perform it for only $170 or less and it is in fact a B3 stepping part and i am sure they will over clock to at least 2.7 or 2.8ghz which means they will out perform a 5000+ black edition even over clocked to 3ghz in encoding and multimedia by a very large margin and come darn close to a quad core phenom for $60 less and keep in mind that they will also out perform intel dual core in the same tasks at the same price point with out over clocking 3 cores is simply better than 2...

 

[golem]

I just don't see at 170 how this is a good choice against either AMD or Intel chips. In situations where more than dual cores aren't needed, an OC'ed or even maybe even an non oced AMD or Intel chip is a better value and maybe even faster if oc'ed.

In situations where a tri core > dual core, a quad core will be even better. At 190 the q6600 kills this chip, and your argument about it being old stock.. Well if you are willing to buy a crippled quad cored why would old stock even cause you to blink? I would think old stock of a fully funcitoning chip > crippled quadcore any day.

 

[AMDrulZ]

i wasn't knocking intel's GOD chip the Q6600 in any way what so ever i was simply pointing out that $170 is not and will not be a Q6600 standard retail price any time soon... the retail price for a Q6600 is $240 which is $70 dollars more for the price of just the intel chip you could get a phenom X3 and a motherboard... versus just a cpu that can get things done a few seconds to a minute faster WOW thats a real good deal!!!

 

[Jessica69]

Well, no matter tri-core or quad-core Phenoms, they still don't outperform in OC'ing vs. a Q6600....which almost all seem to easily achieve 3.6GHz with little voltage. And with Q6600's now routinely selling for $199, what's the impetus to go Phenom, unless you've been stuck with an AM2 socket? (I guess a 200-300 OC on a Phenom is something to crow about these days....while the Intel chips manage upwards of 50% overclocks or more......like from 2.44GHz to 3.6GHz....)

For a new build with motherboard, I just cannot see anyone choosing a Phenom these days...esp. with Wolfdales getting to 4GHz and beyond without a sweat.

And AMDrulZ, ever heard of periods and paragraphs? Makes it at least a slightly bit easier read for those trying to follow your disjointed rambling.

 

[Jessica69]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
i wasn't knocking intel's GOD chip the Q6600 in any way what so ever i was simply pointing out that $170 is not and will not be a Q6600 standard retail price any time soon... the retail price for a Q6600 is $240 which is $70 dollars more for the price of just the intel chip you could get a phenom X3 and a motherboard... versus just a cpu that can get things done a few seconds to a minute faster WOW thats a real good deal!!!

And the retail price most are paying for a boxed Q6600 is NOT $240, unless you're a sucker and buy from Newegg who is gouging like hell. Most smarter buyers are paying $199.....boxed, retail Q6600 w/3 year warranty. Forget Newegg's price......Newegg isn't the only place to buy from....unless you've lost your mind and wallet.


And please don't go by Fry's online pricing either.....their online pricing is rooted in something other than reality when instore pricing is so vastly different. Take today's Fry's ad....a Q6600 and an ECS G31 motherboard (yeah, I know, ECS, but it's a motherboard none the less) For $239......

Or the coveted Wolfdale E8400 w/ an ECS motherboard for $229.....

And that's what smarter shoppers do......look for the bargains instead of pricing items at one place, a place known for gouging and overcharging on popular items.....which should mean the Phenom prices at the 'Egg should be dropping rather fast..........

 

[AMDrulZ]

the fact still remains that you could still build a system with an a AMD tri core cheaper than the intel quad which isn't even in the same price segment anyway so thats not even the right comparison.. the tri core should be compared to intel dual cores not the intel quads.. and i will type as i please if you don't like the way i type then simply don't read my posts...

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: AMDrulZ
the fact still remains that you could still build a system with an a AMD tri core cheaper than the intel quad which isn't even in the same price segment anyway so thats not even the right comparison.. the tri core should be compared to intel dual cores not the intel quads.. and i will type as i please if you don't like the way i type then simply don't read my posts...

You are right, it shouldn't even be compared to a C2Q since its clearly out of its league - it can't even beat a C2D.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/0...enom-x3-8600-who-wins/
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0327/20080327012301.shtml (full review, but is in Chinese)

To sum it up in 3 words: Overpriced, hot, slow.

 

[AMDrulZ]

In those reviews they are comparing it to an e7300 when in fact the E6600 would be a better comparison.. And they don't state whether the TLB patch was on or off seeing how they were testing on a crappy B2 chip. The B3 Chips do out perform B2 chips by a fair margin. So i deem those comparisons a little biased.. although the comparison to the e4500 is much more useful and as you can see the X3 outperforms it barely but there clock speed is almost the same and i am willing to bet the TLB patch is on. though i will admit you can get a e4500 for a lot less.. we need to see B3 stepping tri core benchmarks for it to be any were near accurate and harpoon84 i appreciate your links.

 

[harpoon84]

E7200 = $133 at launch tommorrow (or today, depending on your timezone). Theres also the E8200 which will be a similar price to the tri-cores, as well as the cheaper E4500, so I'd say its a great comparison. E6600?! Yay, welcome to 2006! LOL

I knew someone would try to bring up the TLB patch as an excuse, even though virtually all reviews are conducted with it disabled. You can clutch on to that straw if you like, but even if these tests had the TLB patch on (which I doubt) B3 Phenom X3s would still lose out to Wolfdale based C2Ds.

 

[superstition]

AMD needs to cut prices to be competitive.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Viditor
If you don't overclock and the 780G platform is attractive to you, then it does make good sense...

I think if you're going IGP, then you're probably going on a budget, and then the CPUs that make sense would be the under-$100 dual cores. Maybe.