AMD Talks HD3D

SirPauly

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Thanks for the link!

3d stereo may not be for everyone but if one enjoys depth and a desire to be in the world one is playing in -- would keep in open mind. There is incredible separation between objects and things really pop out of the screen and enters your world of existence.
 

ViRGE

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Normally I like Huddy's interviews, but this one was more vapid than usual. They really seem to be waiting on DisplayPort to do this, since only 120Hz monitors that can self-drive 3D (e.g. use their own shutter glasses) can work with HD3D via DL-DVI.
 

SirPauly

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I agree, but it's good to see movement with many HDTV's utilizing the HDMI standard.

This was my favorite part though:

Samsung has already announced some monitors that will support stereo 3D over DisplayPort - the SA750 and the SA950 - so we'll put out a driver update that supports those monitors.

It's good to see this because it allows 60hz per eye at full resolution 1080p.
 

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I agree, but it's good to see movement with many HDTV's utilizing the HDMI standard.

This was my favorite part though:



It's good to see this because it allows 60hz per eye at full resolution 1080p.
Eh? What else would it be? DL-DVI monitors already do this.
 

SirPauly

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3d vision ready monitors do for the most part but these are proprietary to nVidia products. It's good to see monitors utilizing the Display port 1.2 standard.
 

ViRGE

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3d vision ready monitors do for the most part but these are proprietary to nVidia products. It's good to see monitors utilizing the Display port 1.2 standard.
While 3D Vision is proprietary, there's nothing proprietary about 120Hz@1080P using DL-DVI. You shouldn't even need DP1.2 for that as DP1.1 has equivalent bandwidth. Not that I would mind ditching these damn DVI cables.:p
 

SirPauly

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But, there really are not many compelling dual DVI monitors that support Hd3d though and have been waiting for display port to mature and be offered, specifically with flexibility with stereo 3d.
 

SirPauly

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I enjoy this stereo 3d talk because I feel strongly about 3d stereo. When gamers offer gimmick and, oh, those silly glasses, desire not only nVidia but AMD to work with developers to try to help improve 3d stereo; to rid gaming of its limitations.

So, when I read this from AMD, it makes me smile because they're trying to create awareness for stereo 3d instead of making excuses not to use it, like some gamers. It was like stereo 3d, oh, that's a nVidia feature, but stereo 3d needs focus from the entire industry to help get rid of the ignorance and fear mongering that exists, imho!

For me when I read this:


SP: Yes, we're absolutely working with developers too. We're expecting to see native stereo 3D games later in 2011. In fact, Eidos, the developer of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, has announced that it will support native stereo 3D in the game, including our HD3D technology. That means Eidos will render images for the left eye and the right eye in the game, and tap into our quad buffer driver directly without the need for middleware.

We're working very closely with Eidos right now on Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and we have a whole team of what we call ISV alliance managers who work directly with game developers. There will be a few native 3D games coming out this year, but we expect middleware to be very important too – not all developers are going to support native stereo 3D, as it adds a lot of complexity.

This helps.
 

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It's the typical AMD response to some feature nvidia has one-upped them on. They spend a while denying it exists and saying it doesn't matter, then they say they are working with everyone to make it happen while using the word "open" a lot. Then nothing happens.
 

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It's the typical AMD response to some feature nvidia has one-upped them on. They spend a while denying it exists and saying it doesn't matter, then they say they are working with everyone to make it happen while using the word "open" a lot. Then nothing happens.

Yeah that's why IZ3D has the same or better 3D quality than Nvidia in the different games. I'm not sure where TriDef stands.

Instead of going it alone AMD some time ago opened up their drivers to hooks for 3D support. Since there was already a 3D gaming community out there. AMD has already shown 30" 3D eyefinity set ups running off a single card. How the hell is Nvidia going to one up that?
 

SirPauly

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But the talking creates awareness for stereo3d as a whole. Don't try to see things as nVidia vs AMD but more so about improving 3d stereo for more potential individuals.

There were some good nuggets in there, specifically the display port 3d stereo and the developer work with Deus Ex.
 

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But the talking creates awareness for stereo3d as a whole. Don't try to see things as nVidia vs AMD but more so about improving 3d stereo for more potential individuals.

There were some good nuggets in there, specifically the display port 3d stereo and the developer work with Deus Ex.

About Deus Ex, they say it nativly supports 3D. Does that mean I would be able to play the game in 3d with a pair of glasses and a compatible monitor with no extra software needed?
 

SirPauly

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Yeah, no middle ware needed for that specific title, but considering the added costs of monitors and glasses, software is quite affordable, imho! There still may be profiles for the gaming title from middle ware companies.
 
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TBH I've not really given much thought to the whole 3D thing as I don't care for it with BD movies but with games I've seen it's definitely piqued my interest. I have a 6950 so other than a new plasma to replace my 60hz model what would I need (minus glasses of course)?
 

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If you're using AMD and you have a monitor or TV that's 3D capable with glasses then all you'll need software from IZ3D or possibily TriDef.

If I could find a 3D Plasma TV that accepted a 120hz signal with HDMI or Displayport I would be a very happy person.
 

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If you're using AMD and you have a monitor or TV that's 3D capable with glasses then all you'll need software from IZ3D or possibily TriDef.

If I could find a 3D Plasma TV that accepted a 120hz signal with HDMI or Displayport I would be a very happy person.

Since you have an AMD card, you get 50% off, nice promotion I think.
 

SirPauly

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TBH I've not really given much thought to the whole 3D thing as I don't care for it with BD movies but with games I've seen it's definitely piqued my interest. I have a 6950 so other than a new plasma to replace my 60hz model what would I need (minus glasses of course)?

Imho,

To see 3d stereo in a well set up platform, would open some minds and offer wonderful eye-candy for the senses. There is a difference in quality with just modest tweaking and there are a lot of titles that do shine. But, sadly, one can't enjoy every single title and there may be a few titles one loves, but can't enjoy, and may be frustration as well.

Everything about PC gaming has been about flexibility, immersion potential and trade-offs -- it's not about trying to force great quality in 3d stereo in all or its not worth it, but more-so about having the flexibility to enjoy the great content with 3d stereo.

Personally harp on the importance of developer relations with 3d stereo; to try to get more quality 3d stereo content in there for PC games. This has been a strength of nVidia but also helps AMD, DDD or IZ3d because the content shines there as well. But, it needs more than nVidia and why seeing AMD have some focus, is very welcomed.