AMD Stock Heatpipe Heatsink Review by jmke

[AkumaX]

the ninja is amazing!

 

[HO]

Well, I just got mine on Monday and it looks like serious business.

Good news: The pre-applied thermal material looks like ordinary heatsink compound and not a thermal pad. It comes off easily.

Bad news: The mounting surface is not exactly flat. I lapped mine for about 30 minutes and it still has a slight high spot in the center, which I intend to leave. I'll probably not have time to mount it until tomorrow.

 

[msi or epox]

wow, you got it fast. Where do you live?
- i know this has been asked but what should i use to get the pre-applied thermal paste off? something everyone probably has in their house maybe?

 

[Fallengod]

I use isopropyl alcohol. Can buy at any local drug store.


The bottom isnt flat you say? Herm. Ill have to check mine when I get my new AS5 tube in. Im taking off the stock amd compound. I want to see if AS5 drops my temps more.

 

[HO]

Originally posted by: msi or epox
wow, you got it fast. Where do you live?

Indy.

Originally posted by: modempower
The bottom isnt flat you say?

Well, it probably would have been ok, but I just want to mount it once and be done with it. I went ahead and lapped it now so that later on I don't have to wonder if lapping would have made a difference.

 

[uhaulball]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: One43637
probably the same.

i'm shocked, i was going to get a Zalman CNPS9500 or 7000, but now i might just stick with the stock HSF.

If I had this HS CPU combo the first thing I'd do would be to put an 80 to 92 adapter on it,
then use a 92mm fan of 40cfm(atleast) on it. The stock 80x20 rips at 12V. That's the main complaint many have posted here.

Read this comparison review in total.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dcopteroncooling&page=1


...Galvanized

even tho it says they reviews the new stock heatsink, if u look at the pics, it is the older version with smaller fan and 2 heatpipes. i would know, i have the new stock hsf, my fan is different and so is my heatpipes. the one in the review posted by OP is the new one, as well as the one i have.

 

[Powermoloch]

wow....so this will definitely fit on a 754 mobo on a sempy?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
All dualcores come with this heatsink

I can vouch for the others. The x2 3800+ comes with the basic heatsink. Indeed when comparing it to the heatsink from my Sempron 2600+ it is completely identical (only different fans).

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
For the rich or those seeking bragging rights...Silver HS might come over the horizon. I for one, would not be suprised.

Some company already made one BITD, kinda. Akasa Silver Mountain Heatsink Review

For $15 I think I may try one out. Do I need one? No, but I may start selling off my spare "tower heatpipe" models because this one, "so simple, no skill involve" (to quote some funny AZN rap song). It attaches just like any other OEM heatsink, very unlike most decent aftermarket coolers.

 

[Skyhanger]

Originally posted by: uhaulball

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: One43637
probably the same.

i'm shocked, i was going to get a Zalman CNPS9500 or 7000, but now i might just stick with the stock HSF.

If I had this HS CPU combo the first thing I'd do would be to put an 80 to 92 adapter on it,
then use a 92mm fan of 40cfm(atleast) on it. The stock 80x20 rips at 12V. That's the main complaint many have posted here.

Read this comparison review in total.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=dcopteroncooling&page=1


...Galvanized

even tho it says they reviews the new stock heatsink, if u look at the pics, it is the older version with smaller fan and 2 heatpipes. i would know, i have the new stock hsf, my fan is different and so is my heatpipes. the one in the review posted by OP is the new one, as well as the one i have.

Wasn't the older heatsink using a 70mm x 15mm fan?

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Yes, I guess it was a 70x15. That's what that linked review says of the two pipe HS.
The four pipe HS uses a 80x20 fan.

I just posted that link for some type of comparison before I realise it was the two piper.


...Galvanized

 

[msi or epox]

Who got their heatsinks. got my heatsinks wed. morning in good packaging.
Anyone use it yet? Hows it cooling?

 

[dawza]

Just got my AMD 4-heatpipe HSF in and installed.

My current setup and previous HSF:

Athlon 64 3000+ (stock speeds)
Asus A8N-SLI
OCZ Platinum Rev. 2; 512x2
eVGA 7800GT CO w/Zalman VF700
WD 200GB SATA
Benq 1640 DVD-RW
Seasonic S12-500
Audigy 2ZS
Coolermaster Wavemaster
Thermaltake K8 Silent Boost

NO overclocking on the processor, ever. Cool N' Quiet is on (drops voltage to 1.10 and CPU to 1000mhz when idle and under light use). The 7800GT is factory OCd to 468/1198.

All wiring in the case is neatly arranged, and IDE cables are the round style.

I have the Asus QFan option on, which automatically adjusts the fan speed of whatever fan is connected to the "CPU Fan 1" 3-pin header on the mobo. This means that the 80mm fan on my Silent Boost ran at ~700RPM when the CPU registered a temp of 32C at idle, and ramped up to 1500RPM at full load, which got my CPU up to 51C.

Previous temperatures:

Room temperature: 23C
Case ambient at idle: 31C
Case ambient at load: 35C
CPU at idle: 34C
CPU with light load (internet, word processing): 37C
CPU at full load (Prime 95 or RTHDRIBL or any recent FPS, i.e. F.E.A.R., Q4, SS2): 51C
GPU with Zalman set at 5V, idle: 45C
GPU with Zalman set at 5V, load: 71C (RTHDRIBL)
GPU with Zalman set at 12V, idle: 40C
GPU with Zalman set at 12V, load: 62C

My case has the following fan setup:

Two 80mm front intakes at 2100RPM
One 80mm blowhole exhuast at 1000RPM
One 80mm rear exhuast at 1800RPM
One PSU 120mm exhaust at ??? RPM (always below my hearing threshold)
One CPU fan that never got above 1500RPM, and idles at 700-900RPM
One chipset fan at 4000RPM

I can control the blowhole and rear exhaust fans, and if I crank them up to 3500RPM, I can generally lower idle temps by 2C, and load temps by 4C for the CPU- results are similar for the GPU.

Previous HSF was mounted with AS5; GPU was/is mounted with AS Ceramique. I have no data for the stock AMD HSF (non-heatpipe version), as I never used it. The Zalman VF700 at 5V is comparable to the copper (stock) cooler on my 7800GT (idle and load), but is dead silent.


My current setup:

Everything the same, except I removed the TT Silent Boost and installed the 4-heatpipe AMD stock cooler. I cleaned the CPU and AMD heatsink with isopropyl alcohol, and remounted with Ceramique.

Temperature readings with AMD heatpipe HSF:

Room temp: Same (23C)
Case ambient at idle: Same (31C)
Case ambient at load: Same (35C)
CPU at idle: 34C
CPU with light load (internet, word processing): 37C
CPU at full load (Prime 95 or RTHDRIBL or any recent FPS, i.e. F.E.A.R., Q4, SS2): 48C
GPU temps are all unchanged.

The same tests were used as previously to stress the CPU and GPU. Fan settings were left unchanged. If I crank up the exhaust fans, there is only a 1C drop at load, from 48C to 47C. Idle drops 2C.

The current CPU fan runs at 1000RPM at 34C, and gets up to 1800RPM at full load (48C). Needless to say, it is inaudible through the case.

In summary, the new HSF dropped my load temps by 3-4C, and did not affect my idle temps. The fan is no louder. I have no idea how it would perform if I increased the CPU fan airflow, but I plan to try it out soon. I also have the Silverstone 92mm- fan-on-an-80mm-frame on order, and may give that a whirl just for fun.

Installation was a breeze- no mobo removal needed, and tool-free. The hardest part was getting the old HSF off (AS5 stuck to the heatsink base). The fan is actually pretty nice- solid and smooth, and although the base of the AMD heatpipe heatsink is not a mirror polish, mine was at least scratch-free and flat as far as I could tell- on par with the TT heatsink.

I should mention that there is a pretty direct drop in CPU temps as my room temp decreases. I idled at 30C at a room temp of 20C, and got up to 46C on full load with my previous HSF. I have yet to try this with my new HSF. In any case, the true test will come as summer arrives, as I do not have AC, and it gets up to 31-32C in my room.

To those who are wondering, the Ceramique obviously has not had 25hrs to "break-in." However, I never saw any changes in my GPU temps during the break-in period. I assume that temps as they are now is what they will be. I also do not know from personal experience if Ceramique is different from AS5 with respect to temperatures. I just know that for me, the convenience and non-capacitive nature of Ceramique is more than enough to make up for a potential 1-2C drop in temps.

 

[Fallengod]

So your current cpu with that heatsink is a non-oc'd amd64 3000+? You have 48C load with that? Just sorta curious.

I use the amd stock copper heatpipe sink myself on my Opty 144 @ 2.6ghz w/ 1.425 volts and my temps are about 32-34C idle and 41-42C load. Pretty much identical to what my xp-90 was at, but slightly cooler and of course quieter.

 

[duragezic]

Damn, I'm an idiot for not picking up one from that seller on Ebay. If they are even back I bet they'll be more expensive. Damn the people for buying so friggin many!


Does anyone have any other link where I can purchase that stock dual core HSF?

My Opty 146 is seemingly stable (tho I just installed it and overclocked within the past couple of hours, so will have to wait till the weekend to really test) at 2.7ghz@1.525 V, but the load temp is 53-55°, so I'm guessing the regular retail HSF just won't cut it. I want one of the damn heatpipe ones but it look slike they're gonna be real popular and hard to get like Optys.

 

[dawza]

Originally posted by: modempower
So your current cpu with that heatsink is a non-oc'd amd64 3000+? You have 48C load with that? Just sorta curious.

I use the amd stock copper heatpipe sink myself on my Opty 144 @ 2.6ghz w/ 1.425 volts and my temps are about 32-34C idle and 41-42C load. Pretty much identical to what my xp-90 was at, but slightly cooler and of course quieter.

That is correct- however, these readings are with the CPU fan going at 1800RPM. I just turned off QFan, and the CPU fan now runs at 2700RPM at idle. My case ambient and CPU temps are now identical at 34C (room at 23C). I can easily get this down even more if I turn up my exhausts a bit, but I prefer the silence to a few degrees of cooling. With QFan off, I load at 44C with the CPU fan going at 2800RPM. So, that is a 4C difference with an additional 900RPM. The fan is only barely audible at this level.

I remember that my CPU hit 46C at full load using my old HSF when the room temp was 20C. This is in comparison to my CPU temp of 51C at full load when room temp is 23C. So, I assume that when my room cools down to 20C, I will be at ~39-41C at full load with the AMD heatpipe. Again, I could probably push that down even more with some fan adjustments.

Even with a blowhole, airflow in the Wavemasters is only decent at best, which I suspect has a lot to do with the small holes they cut in the front panel for intake. This definitely contributes to my relatively high temps. Oh well. I'd still choose a Wavemaster again solely for the looks and build quality.

 

[msi or epox]

go to ebay and search "x2 heatsink". There should be a guy called Heatsink Outlet and another guy named Heatsink Ninja. They both have the same thing.

 

[Fallengod]

Looks like people are starting to raise prices on them lol... The last few links are over $20 but hey.......

Heres a few links I found though. Keep in mine. Opteron dual core, x2 4400 and above and FX chips all have the same copper heatpipe heatsink I believe.

$15!!-->http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-AMD-Athlon-...9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-HEATSINK-939-OP...9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/HEATSINK-AND-FAN-FO...76QQcategoryZ42001QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-FX57-...70QQcategoryZ80140QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-FX57-...13QQcategoryZ80140QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[GTaudiophile]

If anyone is curious, here are pics of the HSF I received with my Opteron 170:

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At this time, it is not for sale.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: modempower
$15!!-->http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-AMD-Athlon-...9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That guy still has plenty in stock. Man, if these things are actually selling at the higher prices, may want to get a few and resell them, LOL.

I guess these can be likened to a Thermalright XP-80, if they were to ever make such a beast. The bad thing is that they aren't universal (no socket 478/775) but the good thing is that they're easy to install and cheap.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
All dualcores come with this heatsink

This isn't the same HSF that came with my 4400+. Mine has a lower profile fan with more blades, and not as big surface area of fins. The cooler reviewed at madshrimps is only packaged with the Opterons IIRC.

 

[HO]

Originally posted by: allies
The cooler reviewed at madshrimps is only packaged with the Opterons IIRC.

My 4400+ came with the older heatpipe cooler as well. However, most Athlons are now being fitted with the new 4 pipe, 80mm fan design... although the lower end buyers (i.e., 3800+) reportedly still don't get the latest and greatest.

 

[Fallengod]

Oh really. I did not know that. I thought they were all the same 4 copper heatpipe sinks. Whats the old one look like?

 

[Zap]

I just ordered two from that eBay link. Now I'll have three more HSFs than I have CPUs/mobos. What to do with the extras... anyone want to buy a Thermaltake Silent Tower?

 

[HO]

Originally posted by: modempower
Oh really. I did not know that. I thought they were all the same 4 copper heatpipe sinks. Whats the old one look like?

2 pipes, 70mm fan. Not a bad cooler, but the new one is tits.

BTW, that ebay auction ends in 7 minutes. He's got 24 left.

Hurry.

 

[Fallengod]

Tits!

I see... didnt know that. I can vouch for these stock 4 copper heatpipe sinks. I sold my XP-90 for this heatsink. I had a high speed 2500rpm Panaflo with the xp-90 that was incredibly loud. My temps with this new stock copper sink actually dropped by 1C and is dead quiet. I got this for free, compared to my xp-90 I paid $35 for. Simply amazing.




Im sure he will relist it anyways even if it ends.