Well, I mean overclock of course. I do expect overclocks to be better on the 8 cores but there's no guarantee at this point. I'm assuming the ones that will sell are the 1500 and 1300... the full L3 that the 1500 has might be useful more than the extra cores in games.Appearently 8 core models have higher clock then 4 core models.
This, aside from silicon quality considerations (I see too much doom&gloom in that department), can be easily a marketing reason. AMD is giving simply more threads than the competition at a given price point, so the 4C are in reality competing with 2C and AMD's 6C with Intel's 4C. thay need something to differentiate the offer. This simply because at the moment they cannot (or don't want to) compete on max frequency, so they are focusing on something else.Appearently 8 core models have higher clock then 4 core models.
The higher models have higher frequency and better silicon yields, this is why they can push higher frequency. Unfortunately at the bottom, until yields improve the proces will be stuck with low clocks. It is a case of you getting reward for buying higher endUnless the 6/8 core models clock much higher the gaming performance difference in most games won't be much between the 4C8T Ryzen and the higher ones.
6 games,and if we take clockspeeds into account and try to be pessimistic,lets say Haswell IPC in games. The leaked pricing indicated the top 4C/8T chip was positioned against the Core i5 7400 and Core i5 7500.in 3 games....
You're not the only one feeling that way. What is more, compared to a lot of other things, PC building is actually a fairly inexpensive hobby.I don't need an excuse. -cut- As far as "horrible waste of money", it's hard to argue against someone feeling that way. I'm not a golfer and could argue that buying new clubs, shoes etc all the time is a "horrible wate of money". However, I will not do that since I have learned that if something is your hobby (i.e. golf to a golfer and building newer computers to me) and you love it, wasting money is probably not in the equation.
Ryzen is being compared to Kaby Lake because that's the product that potential Ryzen buyers will also consider. Nobody is buying Haswell today.Either way performance will be good, I just don't know why we are comparing against Kabylake/Skylake when Ryzen was more targeted to the Haswell family of parts. It is not like Haswell vs Kabylake is that earth shattering because Haswell is a fast architecture. What I am keen on is how AMD will mitigate clockspeed deficiency, XFR is one feature but I feel there are a few hidden secrets.
You keep forgetting about the existence of Intel's HEDT lineup, lol.Another thing to consider is what is left for intel to do? They have already pushed the clocks sky high on KL(-X) i5 and i7s, there is very little room left. On the other hand this is AMD's first batch of chips, as the time goes by they will catch up with clock speeds. I expect them to reach 4GHz base on 4C parts in a quarter or so, even if that would mean they would have to push it to 95W bracket. Similar goes for 6C and 8C parts, lots of room for improvement.
Yep,and I really hope websites don't convenient forget SKUs like the Core i5 7400 and Core i5 7500 in their benchmarks,if AMD is pricing 4C/8T close to them.One thing people have to keep in mind is all Ryzen CPUs are multiplier unlocked. So we need to wait and see what the average OC is for AMD 4C/4T and 4C/8T. Anything close to 4.5 Ghz on good air cooling and the core i5 non k line is going to have a really tough time fetching the current prices given that AMD is pricing 4C/4T at USD 150 and 4C/8T at USD 199.
I was obviously referring to regular i5s and i7s. The only part that AMD doesn't have covered is the 20T part. All others are covered and will have massively better perf./$. What can intel do to combat cheap 12T Ryzen that has XFR enabled? Or cheap 8T Ryzen with XFR? Will they cut prices on their mainstream desktop SKUs? I don't disregard that option but this is intel we are talking about, they cannot lose their margins.
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