AMD Ryzen Reviews to go Live on Feb. 28, Ryzen 7 CPUs

[unseenmorbidity]

AMD Ryzen Reviews to go Live on Feb. 28, Ryzen 7 CPUs

According to a poster on reddit, Amazon won't have Zen in stock until the 2nd.

Quote: "The Ryzen CPU is officially planned for 2nd of March when the majority of the lineup is expected to go on sale; however a few high-end models will be available a couple of days before that."

 

[lefenzy]

They're mimicking the Intel naming scheme with 7, 5, and 3.

edit: condemn me to core i5 if i'm behind on the news

 

[ultima_trev]

Lifting NDA two days before launch? Hopefully that's a sign of confidence that performance is in the neighborhood with Broadwell-E/Haswell-E and this won't be another Bulldozer, like the leaks thus far have illustrated.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Lifting NDA two days before launch? Hopefully that's a sign of confidence that performance is in the neighborhood with Broadwell-E/Haswell-E and this won't be another Bulldozer, like the leaks thus far have illustrated.

All I've seen are leaks showing it doing really well. Which are you talking about?

 

[cbn]

Interesting that according to the OP's link Ryzen 5 is composed of 4C/8T and 6C/12T and Ryzen 3 is 4C/4T!

 

[cbn]

Very interesting about the black edition 4C/4T.

The Black Editons feature AMD’s intelligent eXtended Frequency Range (XFR) which is a fully automated technology that allows chips to achieve frequencies above and beyond default boost clocks depending on the cooling solution being used.

In other words, if you have a better cooling solution, your Ryzen chip will automatically detect it and overclock accordingly. So it’s likely that we’ll see Black Edition 95W Ryzen CPUs paired with high-end updated Wraith cooler.

Wraith cooler (which blows air on VRMs) or even the tall copper core 95W HSF (which also blows air on VRMs) + relatively cheap board (that allows XFR) + black edition 4C/4T or 4C/8T....that could be interesting.

 

[cbn]

Some more info:

http://tech.3367.com/news/201702/61477.shtml

I think I can make out the price of the R5 1300 as 1399 which would put it at the same price as the i3 7350K so......

4C/8T Zen @ 3.3/3.6 Ghz vs. Kabylake 2C/4T @ 4.2 Ghz.

(The R5 1300 does not have XFR, but I do believe it has an unlocked multiplier).

With that mentioned, the R3 1200X at what looks like a price of 1199 would have XFR, but it is missing the hyperthreading.

 

[RoarTiger]

inb4 I cant buy every SKU at review launch = "paper launch". Still have to wait through two more weeks of rumors

 

[cbn]

They're mimicking the Intel naming scheme with 7, 5, and 3.

And it looks like the pricing might be a match as well.

AMD = more cores at the same price level. (Example: Ryzen 3 has 4C/4T at the same price as Core i3 which has 2C/4T).

With that noted I wonder if AMD will compete Intel Kaby lake Pentium? (These Pentium chips with 2C/4T are almost as fast as their more expensive Core i3 counterparts......which might put Ryzen 3 in a bit of an awkward position? But truly I do hope Zen 4C/4T is worth the money so this not even an issue).

 

[IllogicalGlory]

And it looks like the pricing might be a match as well.

AMD = more cores at the same price level. (Example: Ryzen 3 has 4C/4T at the same price as Core i3 which has 2C/4T).

With that noted I wonder if AMD will compete Intel Kaby lake Pentium? (These Pentium chips with 2C/4T are almost as fast as their more expensive Core i3 counterparts......which might put Ryzen 3 in a bit of an awkward position? But truly I do hope Zen 4C/4T is worth the money so this not even an issue).

R3 isn't really in an awkward position IMO. It's kind of like the more expensive, higher performance alternative to G4560 if you still want great value but with more robust performance. They're both compelling choices at their price points, just depends on what kind of CPU you need. AMD doesn't seem to have a direct competitor to G4560. After all, cutting down 8/16 to 2/4 sounds a bit insane. It seems the i3-7350K is a more direct competitor to R3. A Raven Ridge based SKU will likely compete directly with the 4560 later this year.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

R3 isn't really in an awkward position IMO. It's kind of like the more expensive, higher performance alternative to G4560 if you still want great value but with more robust performance. They're both compelling choices at their price points, just depends on what kind of CPU you need. AMD doesn't seem to have a direct competitor to G4560. After all, cutting down 8/16 to 2/4 sounds a bit insane. It seems the i3-7350K is a more direct competitor to R3. A Raven Ridge based SKU will likely compete directly with the 4560 later this year.

Who would buy a locked 2c/4t i3 over an unlocked 4c/4t Zen at the same price?

 

[cbn]

And it looks like the pricing might be a match as well.

AMD = more cores at the same price level. (Example: Ryzen 3 has 4C/4T at the same price as Core i3 which has 2C/4T).

With that noted I wonder if AMD will compete Intel Kaby lake Pentium? (These Pentium chips with 2C/4T are almost as fast as their more expensive Core i3 counterparts......which might put Ryzen 3 in a bit of an awkward position? But truly I do hope Zen 4C/4T is worth the money so this not even an issue).

R3 isn't really in an awkward position IMO. It's kind of like the more expensive, higher performance alternative to G4560 if you still want great value but with more robust performance.

[Referring to bolded part] That is true, but we can say the same thing of the locked Kabylake Core i3 as well.

Also another Intel processor line to consider (as Competition to the R3) would the Core i5 6400 (and by extension Core i5 7400). The reason I bring this up is because the Core i5 6400 has had "Core i3-like pricing" in pre-built desktops. I believe this stems from Intel offering large volume discounts on this low bin quad core processor to OEMs.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Who would buy a locked 2c/4t i3 over an unlocked 4c/4t Zen at the same price?

It's not locked. That's what the 7350K brings to the table. I think the 7350K is pretty stupid to begin with, but it seems that what's Intel is positioning against 4/4 Ryzen. If they dropped the price to an even $100, it might be a compelling option. At $150, like it is right now, I don't see any reason to buy it even now.

[Referring to bolded part] That is true, but we can say the same thing of the locked Kabylake Core i3 as well.

Honestly, the G4560 seems like an i3 branded as Pentium. It seems to make the locked i3s almost pointless. The 7350K and the cheaper i5s are the next interesting chips in the stack as it stands right now IMO.

 

[cbn]

Honestly, the G4560 seems like an i3 branded as Pentium. It seems to make the locked i3s almost pointless. The 7350K and the cheaper i5s are the next interesting chips in the stack as it stands right now IMO.

I agree. This (and the Core i5 6400/Core i5 7400 in value priced pre-built desktops) is why I am expressing some concern about R3.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

It's not locked. That's what the 7350K brings to the table. I think the 7350K is pretty stupid to begin with, but it seems that what's Intel is positioning against 4/4 Ryzen. If they dropped the price to an even $100, it might be a compelling option. At $150, like it is right now, I don't see any reason to buy it even now.Honestly, the G4560 seems like an i3 branded as Pentium. It seems to make the locked i3s almost pointless. The 7350K and the cheaper i5s are the next interesting chips in the stack as it stands right now IMO.

Even if zen didn't exist, no one that knows anything about pc hardware would buy the overpriced 7350k. That thing is very overpriced.

 

[leoneazzurro]

Who would buy a locked 2c/4t i3 over an unlocked 4c/4t Zen at the same price?

Maybe someone who needs an integrated GPU.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Maybe someone who needs an integrated GPU.

You would just buy a cheaper i3 or an i5. Could probably get a 4c ryzen + a 460 for nearly the same price.

 

[krumme]

Amd dont have 4c dies in numbers that matters unless they segment for it. What they have is a 8c die.

They will try to sell the 8c naturally as thats where they revenue and profit is.
Imo the prices reflects that. The 8c r7 line is a bargain and priced to move the stuff.

They might try to lure some i5 segment buyers into the cheap end r7 line and i hope it will succeed as thats the kind of movement that gives strenght to pc gaming. Not some backward looking 2c 4t cpu that we were runnimg a decade ago in the core 2 line.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

I agree. This (and the Core i5 6400/Core i5 7400 in value priced pre-built desktops) is why I am expressing some concern about R3.

It seems to fit in fairly well in that segment. If we assume it offers around i5-6400/6500-ish performance, it's doing so at about $40-$50 less than they're going for right now. Effectively an i5-6500 for the price of an i3-6100. I'm not sure about prebuilt though.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Amd dont have 4c dies in numbers that matters unless they segment for it. What they have is a 8c die.

They will try to sell the 8c naturally as thats where they revenue and profit is.
Imo the prices reflects that. The 8c r7 line is a bargain and priced to move the stuff.

They might try to lure some i5 segment buyers into the cheap end r7 line and i hope it will succeed as thats the kind of movement that gives strenght to pc gaming. Not some backward looking 2c 4t cpu that we were runnimg a decade ago in the core 2 line.

That might be true for the initial release, but not afterwards.

Honestly, Ryzen's $/perf puts nearly everything intel offers to shame. The pentium and maybe the 6700k is about the only thing intel have to offer now.

Who would seriously recommend an i5 over a similarly priced i7 4790k in 2017?! No one that knows anything would do so! The same is true for the i3. The 6700/7700k as the best 4c/8t is the show, and still arguably worse than cheaper 6 and 8 core zens! I will take a 5960x over a 6700k any day of the week.

Intel is on a dead socket too. On the other hand, Amd just started a new socket that will last years and offer great upgradeability. Unless you want to make a cheap htpc, then intel has basically nothing to offer to new builders.

 

[tamz_msc]

Ryzen R3 is aimed at filling the gulf between the 64$ G4560 and the 182$ i5-7400. All the other Intel options in between(the i3s and faster Pentiums) are irrelevant in my opinion.

 

[krumme]

That might be true for the initial release, but not afterwards.

Honestly, Ryzen's $/perf puts nearly everything intel offers to shame. The pentium and maybe the 6700k is about the only thing intel have to offer now.

Who would seriously recommend an i5 over a similarly priced i7 4790k in 2017?! No one that knows anything would do so! The same is true for the i3. The 6700/7700k as the best 4c/8t is the show, and still arguably worse than cheaper 6 and 8 core zens! I will take a 5960x over a 6700k any day of the week.

Intel is on a dead socket too. On the other hand, Amd just started a new socket that will last years and offer great upgradeability. Unless you want to make a cheap htpc, then intel has basically nothing to offer to new builders.

Imo the 4c line is only there as a placeholder until apu arives this fall. Even 6c will be scarce in the future. But so what? You can get a unlocked 6c cpu non x 1600 for next to nothing. Plug it into a cheap b350 board. Oc the hell out of it and you are running at a cost of aprox 25% of a comparable Intel solution for cpu plus mb. That is enthusiasm at full speed and at low mainstream cost. Anyone recommending less sould go straight to prison. This solution will last 10 years and be dirt cheap during its lifetime.

 

[RichUK]

With all this hype and excitement, let's just hope the reviews show a worthy product lol.

 

[leoneazzurro]

You would just buy a cheaper i3 or an i5. Could probably get a 4c ryzen + a 460 for nearly the same price.

Yes, that's a possibility. But I've only listed one of the reasons, maybe someone wants a SFF PC (in that case you could also use an APU, but Zen-based APU will be available only later)

 

[nathanddrews]

I really like the look of these fans. I know they're stock, but still. Can't wait to see/hear how well they work.