AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[DasFox]

Amazon has the 5600X at $199, I just bought one, for the specs, this is a pretty decent deal.

 

[Dave3000]

Between a Ryzen 5950X and a Ryzen 5800X3D, which CPU will be better in the long run for gaming, at least for the next 3 years. I'm right now using an 5800X with an Asus B550-F (Wi-Fi) motherboard and I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to a 5950X or a 5800X3D. I'm mostly gaming on this PC but I also do office work (not that I need better productivity performance). I do know that if I upgrade to a 5950X, everything that is CPU intensive will be faster but if I upgrade to a 5800X3D, only some CPU intensive games will be much faster based on the reviews I read, and I will take a little performance hit in raw CPU performance and productivy.

 

[scannall]

Between a Ryzen 5950X and a Ryzen 5800X3D, which CPU will be better in the long run for gaming, at least for the next 3 years. I'm right now using an 5800X with an Asus B550-F (Wi-Fi) motherboard and I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to a 5950X or a 5800X3D. I'm mostly gaming on this PC but I also do office work (not that I need better productivity performance). I do know that if I upgrade to a 5950X, everything that is CPU intensive will be faster but if I upgrade to a 5800X3D, only some CPU intensive games will be much faster based on the reviews I read, and I will take a little performance hit in raw CPU performance and productivy.

What you have is just fine. Are you sacrificing children for a 4090ti? Yeah, it will still be fine. 500 FPS mean nothing in day to day use.

 

[DasFox]

Are you sacrificing children for a 4090ti?

LOL, that’s a good one! 👍

Anytime you buy something, ‘Best’ really just depends on your ‘Needs’.

I mean, do we need a 4090ti to play WOW? LOL of course not, so buy whatever suits your purpose, and if you don’t know what that is, all you do is research specs on gamimg.

At the moment, all I mainly play is Apex on a 1060 6gb, don’t need a 3080 for Apex...

To many people buy to much overkill and just waste money.

And last, the hardest part to figure out is ‘Future Proof’, making it last, but when you game a lot, the trends in gaming don’t always change extremely radical from one year to the next, and neither does hardware, usually in small increments and then performance gain sometimes only slight boosts too at times... USB2, USB3, PCI-E3, 4, 5, etc...

P.S. My gaming box I just built is a Rog Strix B550-F Gaming, Ryzen 5600x, 2x8gb ram, corsair rm750x, and looking to get a EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 XC3 BLACK GAMING, 08G-P5-3751-KL. For 2K Gaming this should still be pretty sweet for sometime, or next year, slap in a 4070, or 4080. I also bought a MSI Optix G273QPF, it’s an ISP panel Gsync, 165hz, still sitting in the box.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I have a 3080 12GB card and usually spend my days playing 10 year old games like Kings Bounty and Civ 5 and 6.

I think I just got old and can't be bothered learning new games anymore.

One of these days I'll play something newer

 

[igor_kavinski]

Between a Ryzen 5950X and a Ryzen 5800X3D, which CPU will be better in the long run for gaming, at least for the next 3 years.

DDR5 is the future due to massive bandwidth increase with higher RAM speeds. Future games/game engines will likely be developed to take advantage of this bandwidth. The V-cache on 5800X3D provides 2+ TB/s bandwidth. I think for gaming at least, the 5800X3D will age more gracefully.

 

[Makaveli]

I have a 3080 12GB card and usually spend my days playing 10 year old games like Kings Bounty and Civ 5 and 6.

I think I just got old and can't be bothered learning new games anymore.

One of these days I'll play something newer

Never too old to learn something new friend!

 

[eek2121]

Never too old to learn something new friend!

Hah, wait until he discovers something like Factorio. That is the game that dominates my time. I have a 3090 and Factorio isn't even 3D...

(I use the 3090 for other, more productive stuff, but still)

 

[DasFox]

I have a 3080 12GB card and usually spend my days playing 10 year old games like Kings Bounty and Civ 5 and 6.

I think I just got old and can't be bothered learning new games anymore.

One of these days I'll play something newer

Well you better starting player Newer Gen Games, or you wasted money on that 3080....

Like I always say; ‘The best hardware, only depends on your needs, nothing else’

 

[gdansk]

Well you better starting player Newer Gen Games, or you wasted money on that 3080....

Like I always say; ‘The best hardware, only depends on your needs, nothing else’

I can't speak for him but I'm in a similar situation. I like having a good graphics card in case I try new games. But I usually end up going back to the classics I know I'll enjoy.

Plus some emulators really work much better with overpowered hardware.

 

[DasFox]

Ahhh yes, now using Emulators, that’s a different story, but true, higher end to a point, does allow better gaming emu performance.

 

[Hans Gruber]

After further testing of my 5600 with the B2 stepping. I have concluded that there is no benefit over the B0 stepping. The 5600x still probably is on better silicon. I say this because they say the 5600x can do 4.8ghz on 1.35v and my newer process B2 5600 needs 1.375v. It runs fine @ 1.35v but during heavy BF5 gaming the computer restarts. At 1.375v the 5600 is completely and totally stable. I have never even got a blue screen with it.

As for where my 3600 ended up. Everything is recycled parts. My original B350 has the latest AGESA bios. It runs my Hynix CRJ 16GB kit 16-20-20 @ 3800mhz with 1.37v My ancient GTX 970 has brand new fans. My Cooler Master 240 Master Liquid that I picked up for $40 in 2018 is still runs like new. I can put any Zen 3 CPU in this machine and it has good VRM's.

Anyway, look at the stats for a B350 board with a Ryzen 3600 and running ram @ 3800mhz. I could only get the 98th percentile (no precision boost on B350)
MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7B00) Performance Results - UserBenchmark

 

[Det0x]

Little comparison between 5800x3d @ 4550/4450mhz with ~4066MT/s memory and 5950x @ ~5200/5050mhz with ~4000MT/s memory

Spoiler: 5800x3d

5800x3d
SuperPi - 1M with BenchMate - 7sec 686ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567.2MHz
SuperPi - 32M with BenchMate - 6min 4sec 610ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567.2MHz

PYPrime - 2b with BenchMate - 8sec 397ms

y-cruncher - Pi-25m - 0sec 501ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.1MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-1b - 32sec 75ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.1MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-2.5b - 1min 32sec 459ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4450MHz

wPrime - 32m with BenchMate - 2sec 340ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.4MHz
wPrime - 1024m with BenchMate - 1min 4sec 98ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4466.8MHz

7-Zip - 105612 MIPS - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4467MHz

PiFast with BenchMate - 17sec 400ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567MHz

Spoiler: 5950x

5950x
SuperPi - 1M with BenchMate - 6sec 696ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5213.3MHz
SuperPi - 32M with BenchMate - 5min 32sec 276ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5213.4MHz

PYPrime - 2b with BenchMate - 9sec 779ms

y-cruncher - Pi-1b - 20sec 433ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4775.2MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-2.5b - 58sec 362ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4750.2MHz

wPrime - 32m with BenchMate - 1sec 486ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5059.6MHz
wPrime - 1024m with BenchMate - 29sec 504ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5034.5MHz

7-Zip - 205233 MIPS - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4950.1MHz

PiFast with BenchMate - 15sec 170ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5234.9MHz

No way around it, in these memory benchmarks cpu clockspeed is still king in everything except in PYprime
(dual CCD with twice the cores and much higher write bandwidth also helps )

Did also some Geekbenches but results seem to be all the place, not really sure why
Geekbench3 - Single Core - 7390 points, Multi Core - 86068 points (ST and especially MT seems to be too low)


Geekbench4 - Single Core - 8104 points, Multi Core - 62264 points (Normal ST, MT score way to low)


Geekbench5 - Single Core - 1859 points, Multi Core - 17831 points (good ST, MT score way to low)

Think i have to do some more runs to figure out what going on here.. Could be down to whea throttling above 1900:3800 in the MT tests.

 

[Dave3000]

Does the 64MB L3 cache on the 5950X get fully taken advantage of in gaming (games that use 8 cores or less) or the 32MB L3 cache on the 2nd CCD will be ignored until a game is using more than 8 cores since each CCD has 8 cores on the 5950X, therefore, the 2nd 32MB L3 cache of the 5950X will only be used in a game if the game is using more than 8 cores? I see that there is not much of a difference in gaming in the reviews between a 5800X and 5950X despite twice the L3 cache on the 5950X and it seems that it's only the little higher boost clocks that are making that little bit of difference in gaming. However, the 96MB L3 cache the 5800X3D is making a huge difference in some games as shown in the reviews but that's understandable since that 96MB L3 cache is for the whole CCD of the 5800X3D.

 

[moinmoin]

Does the 64MB L3 cache on the 5950X get fully taken advantage of in gaming (games that use 8 cores or less) or the 32MB L3 cache on the 2nd CCD will be ignored until a game is using more than 8 cores since each CCD has 8 cores on the 5950X, therefore, the 2nd 32MB L3 cache of the 5950X will only be used in a game if the game is using more than 8 cores?

Cores can only access the L3$ of the same CCX, which for Zen 3 / 5000 series equals CCD. Also the use of cores depends on the scheduler and doesn't work like linearly filling one CCX first and only using another CCX thereafter, Windows scheduler is actually randomizing it to spread heat between different cores. That's why not only does the second CCD in 5900X and 5950X most often not help with games but occasionally even have adverse effects due to threads communicating and migrating back and forth between different CCDs.

 

[Det0x]

Little comparison between 5800x3d @ 4550/4450mhz with ~4066MT/s memory and 5950x @ ~5200/5050mhz with ~4000MT/s memory

Spoiler: 5800x3d

5800x3d
SuperPi - 1M with BenchMate - 7sec 686ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567.2MHz
SuperPi - 32M with BenchMate - 6min 4sec 610ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567.2MHz

PYPrime - 2b with BenchMate - 8sec 397ms

y-cruncher - Pi-25m - 0sec 501ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.1MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-1b - 32sec 75ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.1MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-2.5b - 1min 32sec 459ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4450MHz

wPrime - 32m with BenchMate - 2sec 340ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4461.4MHz
wPrime - 1024m with BenchMate - 1min 4sec 98ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4466.8MHz

7-Zip - 105612 MIPS - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4467MHz

PiFast with BenchMate - 17sec 400ms - Ryzen 7 5800X3D @ 4567MHz

Spoiler: 5950x

5950x
SuperPi - 1M with BenchMate - 6sec 696ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5213.3MHz
SuperPi - 32M with BenchMate - 5min 32sec 276ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5213.4MHz

PYPrime - 2b with BenchMate - 9sec 779ms

y-cruncher - Pi-1b - 20sec 433ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4775.2MHz
y-cruncher - Pi-2.5b - 58sec 362ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4750.2MHz

wPrime - 32m with BenchMate - 1sec 486ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5059.6MHz
wPrime - 1024m with BenchMate - 29sec 504ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5034.5MHz

7-Zip - 205233 MIPS - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 4950.1MHz

PiFast with BenchMate - 15sec 170ms - Ryzen 9 5950X @ 5234.9MHz

No way around it, in these memory benchmarks cpu clockspeed is still king in everything except in PYprime
(dual CCD with twice the cores and much higher write bandwidth also helps )

Did also some Geekbenches but results seem to be all the place, not really sure why
Geekbench3 - Single Core - 7390 points, Multi Core - 86068 points (ST and especially MT seems to be too low)


Geekbench4 - Single Core - 8104 points, Multi Core - 62264 points (Normal ST, MT score way to low)


Geekbench5 - Single Core - 1859 points, Multi Core - 17831 points (good ST, MT score way to low)

Think i have to do some more runs to figure out what going on here.. Could be down to whea throttling above 1900:3800 in the MT tests.

As expected, were running too high infinity fabric clock, resulting in whea-errors and throttling in the MT workloads..
When running my normal everyday 1900:3800 memoryspeed the scores are back to normal

Geekbench 3: ST = 7651points and MT = 95277points


Geekbench 4: ST = 8062points and MT = 75117points


Geekbench 5: ST = 1859points and MT = 20477points

 

[Asterox]

Solid CPU upgrade, all that on five years old B350 motherboard.

 

[Noid]

x570 D/L link

AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver Release Notes 4.08.09.2337


Article Number
RN-RYZEN-CHIPSET-4-08-09-2337
Release Highlights

• Window 11 22H2 OS support added

Known Issues

• Sometimes custom install fails to upgrade to latest drivers.
• Text alignment issues may be seen on Russian language.
• Manual system restart required on Non-English OS after the installation is complete.
• Windows® Installer pop-up message may appear during the installation.
• Uninstall summary log may incorrectly show uninstall status as fail on non-English OS.

Chipset Support

	Windows 10	Windows 11
AMD WRX80	Yes	Yes
AMD TRX40	Yes	Yes
AMD X570	Yes	Yes
AMD B550	Yes	Yes
AMD A520	Yes	Yes
AMD X399	Yes	Yes
AMD X470	Yes	Yes
AMD B450	Yes	Yes
AMD X370	Yes	Yes
AMD B350	Yes	Yes
AMD A320	Yes	Yes

Processor Support

	Windows 10	Windows 11
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ PRO Processors	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Desktop Processors	Yes	Yes
2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors	Yes	Yes
1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors	Yes	No
2nd/3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors	Yes	Yes
1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors	Yes	No
AMD Ryzen™ 3000G/4000G/5000G Series Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ 2000G Series Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	No
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile 3000U/C, 4000U/H, 5000U/H/HS, 6000U/H/HS/HX Series Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	Yes
AMD Ryzen™ Mobile 2000U Series Processors with Radeon™ Graphics	Yes	No
7th Gen AMD A-Series Processors	Yes	No

Package Contents
The AMD Ryzen™ Chipset Driver installation package contains various independent drivers designed to support the following Microsoft® Windows® platforms. Operating System support may vary depending on your specific AMD product

Driver Name	Windows 10	Windows 11	Change Details
AMD Ryzen Power Plan / AMD Processor Power Management Support	8.0.0.13	8.0.0.13	New program supported added
AMD PCI Device Driver	1.0.0.89	1.0.0.89	No change
AMD I2C Driver	1.2.0.119	1.2.0.119	No change
AMD UART Driver	1.2.0.114	1.2.0.114	No change
AMD GPIO2 Driver	2.2.0.130	2.2.0.130	No change
PT GPIO Driver	3.0.0.0	3.0.0.0	No change
AMD PSP Driver	5.19.0.0	5.19.0.0	No change
AMD IOV Driver	1.2.0.52	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SMBUS Driver	5.12.0.38	5.12.0.38	No change
AMD AS4 ACPI Driver	1.2.0.46	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SFH I2C Driver	1.0.0.86	1.0.0.86	No change
AMD USB Filter Driver	2.1.11.304	Not Applicable	No change
AMD SFH Driver	1.0.0.329	1.0.0.329	Bug fixes
AMD CIR Driver	3.2.4.135	Not Applicable	No change
AMD MicroPEP Driver	1.0.35.0	1.0.35.0	Bug fixes
AMD Wireless Button Driver	1.0.0.2	1.0.0.2	No change
AMD PMF Driver	22.0.2.4	22.0.2.4	Bug fixes
AMD PPM Provisioning File Driver	8.0.0.13	8.0.0.13	More flexible power slider setting on processor power management in AC vs DC power source
AMD USB4 CM Driver	1.0.0.20	Not Applicable	S0i3 support with display(s) behind Thunderbolt/USB4 docks and few bug fixes
AMD AMS Mailbox Driver	1.0.0.495	1.0.0.495	Bug fixes
AMD S0i3 Filter Driver	1.0.0.10	1.0.0.10	No change

 

[Noid]

How long has the power plan " Ultimate " been in Win10 ?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Just pulled the last Zen+ out of service. One Zen2 3700X left. The rest are all Zen 3 now.

5800X - 5GHz boost in ECO on B550
5600X - 4.85GHz boost ECO on X570
5600 - 4.65GHz boost ECO on B550i
5700G - 4.8GHz boost iGPU - 2.4GHz on B450i

2yrs after release, Zen 3 is still the leading seller on both Newegg and Amazon U.S. It is the top 3 spots on Newegg and top 6 spots on Amazon. 2 newer gens from Intel and one from AMD haven't been able to steal its thunder quite yet. And its flagship is still the top gaming CPU in some titles. What an absolutely legendary CPU lineup Zen 3 has become.

I am at the point now, where I chuckle every time I read a post trying to throw shade at Zen 3. No amount of Haterade has slowed its momentum. The shine will be off the penny soon, but what a run.

Hell, my next CPU will likely be the 5800X 3D. When I have a GPU that will benefit from it. AM5 is not exciting me in the least. I will probably ride AM4 until 2025.

 

[Ranulf]

It only took 2 years to not become shade worthy.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Even if Zen3 is falling behind in performance or efficiency, it's becoming rather inexpensive. That makes it attractive during an economic downturn. Plus the 5800X3D still punches above its weight.

 

[misuspita]

I just bought a 5700G for a bit over 210€ . That is really good value.

 

[aigomorla]

Hell, my next CPU will likely be the 5800X 3D. When I have a GPU that will benefit from it

I am slowly moving my servers off Xeon's and onto EYPC's as surpluses are trickling down.
Also i no longer require the 2nd cpu for extra pci-e lanes, as a single EYPC has ample PCI-E lanes for me to use, hence overall uses less power.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I am slowly moving my servers off Xeon's and onto EYPC's as surpluses are trickling down.
Also i no longer require the 2nd cpu for extra pci-e lanes, as a single EYPC has ample PCI-E lanes for me to use, hence overall uses less power.

I feel that. I live in Florida, and heat and noise are my arch nemesis now. Since they are henchmen of power, the Big Boss, ECO mode is my jam.