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AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

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piesquared

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And intel would be known as the bargain bin company with the low profits and margins to go along with it. It might also clear up more room at GloFo for higher margin parts and more GPUs.
 
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denywinarto

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Any words on picasso apu? it's nowhere in the slides..
is it cancelled or will amd go with similar upgrade path as fm2 socket?
if it's cancelled then it'd make more sense for me to go straight for 2400g
 

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Any words on picasso apu? it's nowhere in the slides..
is it cancelled or will amd go with similar upgrade path as fm2 socket?
if it's cancelled then it'd make more sense for me to go straight for 2400g
Well, you can count on AMD wanting to get at least a year out of the tapeout/masking of Raven Ridge. So I wouldn't look for the next generation APU parts being available until 2019.
 

whm1974

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Oh I agree that AMD doesn't need a sub$100 2c/4t desktop APU, and guys like @Shivansps can simply buy a G4560. I am thinking that the low end should move over to quad cores anyway.
 
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AMD would be crazy not to release something bellow $99, it makes perfect sense to sell a 2c Ryzen APU,
Intel sells plenty of sub $99 Celeron/Pentium

2c/4t 3CU APU makes perfect sense for desktops and laptops.
 
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Any words on picasso apu? it's nowhere in the slides..
is it cancelled or will amd go with similar upgrade path as fm2 socket?
if it's cancelled then it'd make more sense for me to go straight for 2400g
Matisse and Picasso are coming in 2019.

I don't think AMD is going to announce them this far in advance.

 
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Mockingbird

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AMD would be crazy not to release something bellow $99, it makes perfect sense to sell a 2c Ryzen APU,
Intel sells plenty of sub $99 Celeron/Pentium

2c/4t 3CU APU makes perfect sense for desktops and laptops.
That's such a dumb argument.

It would be like saying: Nissan has a car that sells for ~$12000, so Subaru has to have one too.
 

whm1974

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AMD would be crazy not to release something bellow $99, it makes perfect sense to sell a 2c Ryzen APU,
Intel sells plenty of sub $99 Celeron/Pentium

2c/4t 3CU APU makes perfect sense for desktops and laptops.
I'm sort of on the fence here. While I agree that AMD should replace the BR APU with a cut down RR one, their FAB partners may not have enough room left to make them as they are full with making Ryzen, RR, and Radeon.
 

denywinarto

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Matisse and Picasso are coming in 2019.

I don't think AMD is going to announce them this far in advance.

Yeah this is the leaked slide from late 2017, but they dont show it again in january.. probably just as peterscott said amd wanting to mask picasso to prioritize raven ridge sales
 

Mockingbird

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Oh I agree that AMD doesn't need a sub$100 2c/4t desktop APU, and guys like @Shivansps can simply buy a G4560. I am thinking that the low end should move over to quad cores anyway.
Exactly.

Considering that he spent the last 14 pages explaining how great the Pentium G4560 and Pentium G4600 are, he should get one of those.
 

VirtualLarry

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AMD don't "need" a sub-$99.99 processor.

Get an Intel processor.

AMD don't want to sell sub-$99.99 processors for obvious reasons.
No. AMD doesn't need to offer anything below $99.99.
While this might cut down some on word-of-mouth advertising, from people buying cheap PCs for F&Fs, it might be a wise move. AMD is technically fabless, so, they don't necessarily need the volume that Intel does, to fill their fabs to capacity, which includes a lot of sales of low-end dies, that probably don't make huge profits (or maybe they still do, Intel's Gross Margins remain high).
 

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I cant belive what im reading here. Amd dosent need to offer a sub $100 sku? really? No, i think people are saying that just because AMD dosent have those and they feel the need to justify every AMD move.

Seriusly WTF. Look at the HP/Lenovo/Dell, they ALL have 2 cores AMD A4/A6 desktops and AIO, some of the OEM best sellers on Amazon are Celeron and Pentiums SMALL CORES.
And here Argentina we sell like 20 A4 and A8 builds per week! Far more than Celeron and Pentiums(mostly because of price).

Then i come here and read that sub $100 is not needed... im sorry i did not realised this was a high class forum where price is not a issue.
 
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Shivansps

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While this might cut down some on word-of-mouth advertising, from people buying cheap PCs for F&Fs, it might be a wise move. AMD is technically fabless, so, they don't necessarily need the volume that Intel does, to fill their fabs to capacity, which includes a lot of sales of low-end dies, that probably don't make huge profits (or maybe they still do, Intel's Gross Margins remain high).
Yet, AMD did this to this date, and since the fall of Phenom this is what maintained the lights on. Remember the entry level from 754 to AM3, FM1, FM2? AMD offered very nice deals in the area petty much until G4560 arrived. And im petty sure it was the bulk of their sales for a long time. So im shoked to read what im reading here, they dont need this anymore? What? why? they did this for years no reason to stop now. Not reason to punish consumers like this either. This is a whopping 100% price increase on entry level.
 

whm1974

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I cant belive what im reading here. Amd dosent need to offer a sub $100 sku? really? No, i think people are saying that just because AMD dosent have those and they feel the need to justify every AMD move.

Seriusly WTF. Look at the HP/Lenovo/Dell, they ALL have 2 cores AMD A4/A6 desktops and AIO, some of the OEM best sellers on Amazon are Celeron and Pentiums SMALL CORES.
And here Argentina we sell like 20 A4 and A8 builds per week! Far more than Celeron and Pentiums(mostly because of price).

Then i come here and read that sub $100 is not needed... im sorry i did not realised this was a high class forum where price is not a issue.
I don't know if I would call this a high class Forum , as plenty of members own low end machines. That said, $100 for a quad core APU of RR caliber isn't that much for what we are getting. Now don't get me wrong, maybe AMD should sell a cheaper RR APU to replace BR, but do AMD's partners have enough capacity left in their 16nm Fabs to make such APUs now?
 

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I don't know if I would call this a high class Forum , as plenty of members own low end machines. That said, $100 for a quad core APU of RR caliber isn't that much for what we are getting. Now don't get me wrong, maybe AMD should sell a cheaper RR APU to replace BR, but do AMD's partners have enough capacity left in their 16nm Fabs to make such APUs now?
They are moving to 12nm now, that should be freeing 16nm fabs. From what it looks like, the entire 16nm Ryzen production is now behind replaced by this 16nm RR APU and Ryzen is moved to 12nm right?

I cant belive they dont have something a bit smaller, right now they have nothing in the area of Celeron and pentiums, not to mention Intel small cores have no rival now.
 
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Mockingbird

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I cant belive what im reading here. Amd dosent need to offer a sub $100 sku? really? No, i think people are saying that just because AMD dosent have those and they feel the need to justify every AMD move.

Seriusly WTF. Look at the HP/Lenovo/Dell, they ALL have 2 cores AMD A4/A6 desktops and AIO, some of the OEM best sellers on Amazon are Celeron and Pentiums SMALL CORES.
And here Argentina we sell like 20 A4 and A8 builds per week! Far more than Celeron and Pentiums(mostly because of price).

Then i come here and read that sub $100 is not needed... im sorry i did not realised this was a high class forum where price is not a issue.
You just needed to look at the numbers.

AMD has been relegated to selling cheap processors for years and was deep in the red.

AMD was able to turn a profit with Zen and its higher selling prices.

Clearly, selling cheap processors is not the way to go.
 
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whm1974

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You just needed to look at the numbers.

AMD has been relegated to selling cheap processors for years and was deep in the red.

AMD was able to turn a profit with Zen and its higher selling prices.

Clearly, selling cheap processors is not the way to go.
Indeed not, I don't blame AMD for not releasing a cheaper RR APU at the moment as they really can't afford to right now. Maybe latter they will or maybe not. And besides an extra $30 for a much better APU isn't that much considering what you are getting.
 
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You just needed to look at the numbers.

AMD has been relegated to selling cheap processors for years and was deep in the red.

AMD was able to turn a profit with Zen and its higher selling prices.

Clearly, selling cheap processors is not the way to go.
No, selling *only* cheap, poorly performing processors (as AMD did for years) is not the way to go.
 
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whm1974

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They are moving to 12nm now, that should be freeing 16nm fabs. From what it looks like, the entire 16nm Ryzen production is now behind replaced by this 16nm RR APU and Ryzen is moved to 12nm right?

I cant belive they dont have something a bit smaller, right now they have nothing in the area of Celeron and pentiums, not to mention Intel small cores have no rival now.
Something tells me that a lot of budget gamers will be buying the 2200G and 2400G in droves if this mining bubble doesn't pop anytime soon. They will simply get by with the iGPU until it pops.
 

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That's such a dumb argument.

It would be like saying: Nissan has a car that sells for ~$12000, so Subaru has to have one too.
no, not a valid comparison. Many big OEM's have products ranging from pentium to i5/i7 within the same product line. And they don't want to mess with different sockets within a product line. So in order to win as many OEM deals as possible it is important for AMD to gave a complete CPU program including budget.
 
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2cores-4threads can still be very profitable- they just have to be good enough to sell at high prices as Ryzen5 and Ryzen 7 - same like Intel's dualcore i5 and i7. And extra capacity/worst dies then could be sold on desktop as sub-$99 parts. The problem is- Intel is already at 10nm, while AMD's dualcore is probably not power-efficient enough to compete with i7 in fanless. But they may still exist- just to keep Intel honest with prices.
 

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no, not a valid comparison. Many big OEM's have products ranging from pentium to i5/i7 within the same product line. And they don't want to mess with different sockets within a product line. So in order to win as many OEM deals as possible it is important for AMD to gave a complete CPU program including budget.
AMD cannot win the race to the bottom.

AMD doesn't have the economies of scale that Intel does and don't even have a foundry anymore.

OEMs also don't pay the MSRP for the processors. That means even smaller margin.

That's why AMD needs to focus on high margin products and leave low margin products to Intel.
 

whm1974

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Even if it was feasible for AMD to have a RR 2c/4t desktop APU available, how many of us would actually buy it? Given that folks, including us, are keeping computers longer it makes more sense to spend an extra $30 to $40 upfront due to this.

I think right now AMD needs to stay away from low margin chips as they need to get every dollar they can. Perhaps things will change once they are stabled later.
 

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I cant belive what im reading here. Amd dosent need to offer a sub $100 sku? really? No, i think people are saying that just because AMD dosent have those and they feel the need to justify every AMD move.

Seriusly WTF. Look at the HP/Lenovo/Dell, they ALL have 2 cores AMD A4/A6 desktops and AIO, some of the OEM best sellers on Amazon are Celeron and Pentiums SMALL CORES.
And here Argentina we sell like 20 A4 and A8 builds per week! Far more than Celeron and Pentiums(mostly because of price).

Then i come here and read that sub $100 is not needed... im sorry i did not realised this was a high class forum where price is not a issue.
Selling something doesn't mean you are making a profit. They can still offer Bristol ridge in sub $100 space. A 2-core raven ridge would either mean disabling most of the hardware in current die or make a new one. The later is of the table because it's against the modular design of Zen that comes in 4-core blocks. There won't be a 2-core design.
 

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