I think what they meant is it is not as "idiot proof" as it is with Intel. With my Intel builds, I just enabled XMP in the BIOS, and it automatically ran the RAM at its correct speed and timings.
With my newest Ryzen build, even with buying RAM on the QVL, I had to go in and select the speed I wanted it to run at, and then around a day later in the Ryzen Master program, I noticed it automatically set the timings to 22-24-24 (where the RAM's specs were 16-18-18). So I had to enable that portion in a different area. Not hard by any means, but there are a couple extra steps involved. Not a big deal for enthusiasts, but the average person would likely have no idea about things like that.
With my newest Ryzen build, even with buying RAM on the QVL, I had to go in and select the speed I wanted it to run at, and then around a day later in the Ryzen Master program, I noticed it automatically set the timings to 22-24-24 (where the RAM's specs were 16-18-18). So I had to enable that portion in a different area. Not hard by any means, but there are a couple extra steps involved. Not a big deal for enthusiasts, but the average person would likely have no idea about things like that.
The 3xxx series is the key if you can get a decent working uEFI for older generation MB's.
I have a Asus CH6 (x370) paired up with a 3600. It'll run my b-die @ 3600 MHz C14 just like my x570/3700x combo. Only hurdle I had was not knowing about the bootup vram voltage setting on the CH6 at 1st. Once I found it I was golden.
I have a Asus CH6 (x370) paired up with a 3600. It'll run my b-die @ 3600 MHz C14 just like my x570/3700x combo. Only hurdle I had was not knowing about the bootup vram voltage setting on the CH6 at 1st. Once I found it I was golden.
Have been duly following this thread (far too keenly) and the work of all you early adopter-tax paying Zen 2 adopters. Good work!
Contrary to my really late adopter policy and inspired by your fearless unpaid sub-timing tweaking, am considering adopting a lonely 3900X (if any exist) or the much-maligned 3800X (lots of those exist) next month. Before the 3950X arrives and I get drunk on the moar coar wine.
As is my wont, prefer to not to overspend on a fancy MB. Considering either the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon (~$200 CDN w/coupons) or the Assrock X470 Taichi (~290 CDN). The MSI is the most appealing option because it's cheaper.
Haven't looked at ASUS because they don't make a Sabertooth X470. Not interested in the cheaper X570 models because snipping off those pathetic RGB leds will be catharsis enough. Although shredding a 40mm fan with a tungsten cutting blade does appeal.
Want the X470 vs B450 because of the 8 vs 4 SATA ports (and 2 NVME slots - whatever they are -). Often have need of 2-3 spinners and 2-3 SSDs of content available for content smushing and general over-production. Yes, I could use the USB 3/3.1/3.2 and drive sleds, but my inner X58 says USB3 is a fad.
My poorly thought-out plan is to purchase the MSI now with 32GB of 3200 CL16 RAM (Corsair or Ballistix edie) and a 2200G. Would update the MSI BIOS to support Zen 2 and inspire a little APU build later.
Gives me time to get a feel for the weird world of the over-graphical UEFI. And to evaluate my next OS. Win10 (de-telemetryized) or a Linux distro (tweaked for audio/video). Then buy one of the big threaders.
Any sobering words of warning before I break my X58 Forever vow will be appreciated.
Contrary to my really late adopter policy and inspired by your fearless unpaid sub-timing tweaking, am considering adopting a lonely 3900X (if any exist) or the much-maligned 3800X (lots of those exist) next month. Before the 3950X arrives and I get drunk on the moar coar wine.
As is my wont, prefer to not to overspend on a fancy MB. Considering either the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon (~$200 CDN w/coupons) or the Assrock X470 Taichi (~290 CDN). The MSI is the most appealing option because it's cheaper.
Haven't looked at ASUS because they don't make a Sabertooth X470. Not interested in the cheaper X570 models because snipping off those pathetic RGB leds will be catharsis enough. Although shredding a 40mm fan with a tungsten cutting blade does appeal.
Want the X470 vs B450 because of the 8 vs 4 SATA ports (and 2 NVME slots - whatever they are -). Often have need of 2-3 spinners and 2-3 SSDs of content available for content smushing and general over-production. Yes, I could use the USB 3/3.1/3.2 and drive sleds, but my inner X58 says USB3 is a fad.
My poorly thought-out plan is to purchase the MSI now with 32GB of 3200 CL16 RAM (Corsair or Ballistix edie) and a 2200G. Would update the MSI BIOS to support Zen 2 and inspire a little APU build later.
Gives me time to get a feel for the weird world of the over-graphical UEFI. And to evaluate my next OS. Win10 (de-telemetryized) or a Linux distro (tweaked for audio/video). Then buy one of the big threaders.
Any sobering words of warning before I break my X58 Forever vow will be appreciated.
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I like the way you think. 
I've been toing and froing between getting a 3200G and a 3600.
If I get the 3600, I will likely stick with it for quite a few years, but if I get the 3200G, I will feel free to toss it aside and upgrade to Zen3/Ryzen 4000 when it comes out, using the same motherboard for both.
Also by getting the 3200G, I can put off getting a discrete videocard for a few months or longer, whereas if I get the 3600, I have to hope my old 7850 that has been sitting on a bookcase shelf for a few years, still works, or get a discrete card at the time of purchasing the 3600.
Decisions, decisions.
I've been toing and froing between getting a 3200G and a 3600.
If I get the 3600, I will likely stick with it for quite a few years, but if I get the 3200G, I will feel free to toss it aside and upgrade to Zen3/Ryzen 4000 when it comes out, using the same motherboard for both.
Also by getting the 3200G, I can put off getting a discrete videocard for a few months or longer, whereas if I get the 3600, I have to hope my old 7850 that has been sitting on a bookcase shelf for a few years, still works, or get a discrete card at the time of purchasing the 3600.
Decisions, decisions.
I like the way you think.
I've been toing and froing between getting a 3200G and a 3600.
If I get the 3600, I will likely stick with it for quite a few years, but if I get the 3200G, I will feel free to toss it aside and upgrade to Zen3/Ryzen 4000 when it comes out, using the same motherboard for both.
Also by getting the 3200G, I can put off getting a discrete videocard for a few months or longer, whereas if I get the 3600, I have to hope my old 7850 that has been sitting on a bookcase shelf for a few years, still works, or get a discrete card at the time of purchasing the 3600.
Decisions, decisions.
I've been toing and froing between getting a 3200G and a 3600.
If I get the 3600, I will likely stick with it for quite a few years, but if I get the 3200G, I will feel free to toss it aside and upgrade to Zen3/Ryzen 4000 when it comes out, using the same motherboard for both.
Also by getting the 3200G, I can put off getting a discrete videocard for a few months or longer, whereas if I get the 3600, I have to hope my old 7850 that has been sitting on a bookcase shelf for a few years, still works, or get a discrete card at the time of purchasing the 3600.
Decisions, decisions.
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I clicked on "enable DOCP" in the BIOS, which is exactly the same as setting an XMP profile. Best thing was that it was easily visible in the EZ BIOS, and not tucked away in advanced settings.
Of course, even DOCP leaves something on the table. Ryzen DRAM Calculator says that I should get 3200MHz CL14 or 3600MHz CL16 with the safe preset.
Of course, even DOCP leaves something on the table. Ryzen DRAM Calculator says that I should get 3200MHz CL14 or 3600MHz CL16 with the safe preset.
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@ClockHound , I would say go for most any x470 board, because they have usually better VRM's, more updated BIOS and just better than any x370 or 450 board out there. The x570 will house my 3950 (when available) but my 3900x is doing just fine, actually 2 different x470's both with 3900x's. An ASUS prime pro, and a ASRock Taichi.
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@DrMrLordX, @Markfw - Thank you for your stern warnings and dangerous words of encouragement. ;-)
I want to build a cheapish PC for my wife's nephew using a 3600 and X470 board, I'd actually even use an X370 board. My issue is I do not have an older Ryzen CPU to use to do a BIOS upgrade.
Is anyone aware of any boards that work with 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box, or that are able to be updated without a CPU? I know I've had a few motherboards that could update without CPU in the past, but they were high end ROG boards.
TIA
Is anyone aware of any boards that work with 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box, or that are able to be updated without a CPU? I know I've had a few motherboards that could update without CPU in the past, but they were high end ROG boards.
TIA
There are a few motherboards (like the MSI B450 Tomahawk and B450 Gaming PRO AC) that don't need a CPU installed in order to flash the BIOS. Otherwise, it will come down to how new the BIOS version is on the B450 / X470 motherboard. I just bought an Asus ROG X470-F Gaming motherboard from Newegg, and it had a June 2019 BIOS version that would have supported the Ryzen 3000 series.
Outside of that, you can always order the free AMD boot kit, and they'll send you a CPU in order to flash your BIOS. https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
I was just answering this for someone in another thread, but it went in a direction I didn't expect. Otherwise, I would have just given you a link for it.
Outside of that, you can always order the free AMD boot kit, and they'll send you a CPU in order to flash your BIOS. https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
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Hey I need to run into Boston next week, I’ll gladly stop at Microcenter in Cambridge and mail something to you.
Obviously I’ll need to be paid for the equipment
I’m assuming all the B450/X370/X470 stuff is marked if it’s ryzen 3000 compatible
Finally I can’t 100% promise I’ll be in Cambridge next week but it is highly likely I will.
Obviously I’ll need to be paid for the equipment
I’m assuming all the B450/X370/X470 stuff is marked if it’s ryzen 3000 compatible
Finally I can’t 100% promise I’ll be in Cambridge next week but it is highly likely I will.
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