AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[Terzo]

Take the system back to microcenter, and ask them to "reflash" it. Tell then it was supposed to work.

thanks, that’s the plan. I just wanted to see if maybe there was something i’m missing before lugging it over. Sounds like no.

 

[EXCellR8]

well, got the new processor in but ran into a snag on cooling... need to grab a slightly less wide radiator, but only so my case will close lol

 

[VirtualLarry]

I finally put together my new build and I can’t get it to post.

instead, when i turn the computer on it runs for about 10-15 seconds, then I hear a “click” from the power supply, and it restarts. I thought the click might signal a short, but i disconnected and reconnected all the wires and components minus the cpu and mobo.

I have a b450 itx fatality that micro center said had been flashed with the new bios. I’m thinking maybe that was a miscommunication since at this point i can’t think of what else the issue might be. Any similar experiences/suggestions?

On my Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX board, and my R5 3600, after I put it in the first time, and powered it up, the front LED fans flashed a few times, maybe 30 seconds apart. It took like 4-5 "flash episodes", before it finally beeped and POSTed.

Maybe try again, and wait longer? You're on an ASRock board, though, and just a little bit earlier in the thread, someone posted that ASRock only posted AGESA 1.0.0.1 pre-release BIOSes, which were more buggy than the 1.0.0.2, and we all probably need 1.0.0.3AB or 1.0.0.4 (future) to work properly, with older chipsets/boards and new 3rd-Gen Ryzen CPUs.

Edit: My experience with an Gigabyte B350 board, I think a Gaming 3 mATX, don't recall exactly. I was trying to put in a 2200G. When I put it in, with the older (unsupported) BIOS, everything was DEAD. No power-on, NADA.

Put in a 1200, flash BIOS to newest, drop 2200G back in, IT WORKS.

 

[Markfw]

Update from ASRock on my service request. Exact quote "Due to AGESA 1003AB BIOS is still under testing in our lab. Surely, we will update to the website ASAP "

 

[Snarf Snarf]

For anyone else in my boat having terrible luck with clocks on an ASUS x570 board Thestilt got in contact with ASUS and has received a fixed BIOS that will be public release shortly.

 

[Paul98]

Yeah I have decided to just wait for these updates to come out before I make final decision on what I am getting.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

That’s a good call, the ASUS boards appear to be particularly bad at attempting to overvolt the CPU with no tangible gain. As of last night I started having device hung crashes on Apex and dxdevice lost on Overwatch about 15 minutes into playing. So my advice is to steer clear of ASUS until they have a better BIOS out.

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

That’s a good call, the ASUS boards appear to be particularly bad at attempting to overvolt the CPU with no tangible gain. As of last night I started having device hung crashes on Apex and dxdevice lost on Overwatch about 15 minutes into playing. So my advice is to steer clear of ASUS until they have a better BIOS out.

Kinda glad I didn't grab the Strix-E right now. 😵
(not that the aorus master won't have it's own unique blend of suck going on. I'm still waiting on it to be delivered, so I guess I'll get to find out.)

Has anybody seen a review of the ASRock X570 Micro-ATX motherboard? After fighting tooth and nail to avoid the RGB parts for the 3900X build, I'm thinking of going in the opposite direction, and doing a mid-range 3600/3600X build that fully embraces the "RGB all the things!!!" movement. I might even grab an RGB PSU that nobody will be able to see, just for maximum ostentatiousness.

 

[bluechris]

I am willing to try it, not sure when though, what version of ESXi?

6.5 or 6.7
Thanks man

 

[lopri]

After some fiddling I managed to get comparable benchmark scores. It has been a long time since I built a new system and it looks like I will have to take time.

P.S. Has anyone run Linpack successfully? Say, 10 passes using 10GB+ of RAM.

 

[Shamrock]

I also have X470 Taichi, but no Ryzen 3XXX Glad I waited

 

[beginner99]

Caught a Buildzoid video last night, and he was pushing the sub-$300 x570 boards pretty hard, saying they were really good. If that aorus master sucks or is DOA, I'll switch to one of those instead.

But he only looks if power delivery (VRMs) are good enough (also for a 3950k) and some basic other features. All of the cheaper boards only have 1 pcie x16 slot from the CPU and totally only 2, the second one from chipset. Realistically for most people that is a non-issue but still important to be aware of.
Also these ports usually have fewer and slower USB ports.

All in all x570 boards are a mess. Nothing really fits my needs. Why do I get faster wifi and faster, dual lan with higher price?
The asus prime-pro almost hits the mark but then it lacks biosflashback and istoo expensive. For current price it should have at least bios flashback. given the mess with bioses right now I consider that feature a most because I assume if I build now flashign bios will be at least a monthly if not weekly thing.

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

6.5 or 6.7
Thanks man

FWIW, from the folks I know that run it, 6.7 U2 is supposed to work well on EPYC-based systems.

That said, you may very well be able to get it running on a Ryzen 3000 CPU (or the inevitable TR versions), but if you run into a snag, the VMware support forums are probably gonna be the last places you'll want to go for help. The minute they find out you aren't using EPYC CPU, they shut that down pretty fast, and basically say "Be glad it even half works. Now go get an enterprise system". At least, that was still the case 2-3 months ago, from the last time I was on there. Unless the story changes with the new TRs, I'll either just install Ubuntu on a TR-based workstation, or wait for the prices on the initial EPYC CPUs to fall enough to build/get a reasonable server for ESXi.

 

[Markfw]

I also have X470 Taichi, but no Ryzen 3XXX Glad I waited

See post 954 above, yes they know about it, and they have the fix. Now if they just release the damn bios....

Edit, I see you liked it, so you know the fix is in.... SOME freakin day

 

[GhostPirateLeChuck]

But he only looks if power delivery (VRMs) are good enough (also for a 3950k) and some basic other features. All of the cheaper boards only have 1 pcie x16 slot from the CPU and totally only 2, the second one from chipset. Realistically for most people that is a non-issue but still important to be aware of.
Also these ports usually have fewer and slower USB ports.

All in all x570 boards are a mess. Nothing really fits my needs. Why do I get faster wifi and faster, dual lan with higher price?
The asus prime-pro almost hits the mark but then it lacks biosflashback and istoo expensive. For current price it should have at least bios flashback. given the mess with bioses right now I consider that feature a most because I assume if I build now flashign bios will be at least a monthly if not weekly thing.

That was the point of his video. There's been a ton of rampant speculation about the VRM designs on the various X570 motherboards, and a number of folks were effectively steering other people towards much costlier motherboards with "superior" VRM setups that they don't even need. If a sub-$300 motherboard has all the features someone wants, and they aren't trying to overclock the everloving *** out of their CPU, then that's the board they should get, as you pointed out.


edit: The forum backend flags that word for mod approval? Really? OK, I'll change it, but I don't think "...aren't trying to overclock the everloving urine out of their CPU,..." has that same je ne sais quoi as the synonym I used.

 

[tumeriQue]

No, I have an x370 ASRock (dead right now, no compatible chip), and x470 ASRock (the problem child with 3900x) and an ASUS x470 (seems fine) with a 3900x.

So its the ASRock with the 3900 that is a problem. I reflashed the bios, its running win 10 1903, and I have the 1.0.0.7 (I think thats it) chipset drivers from AMD and some drivers that ASRock mentioned on the bios update. ALL installed, no problem ,

But there is a serious problem,

You hit the problem right on the head, mate. I bought a Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 from Asrock and it wouldn't start up after 2 and a half months. Would you believe, the agent here, in Malaysia, said that it is Asrock's policy that the MB be sent to Taiwan for checking before I can get a replacement( supposedly a 2 week wait) !!!!! I wonder what the buying public in other countries would do if they were told that? Guess what, 2 weeks and still no MB. Complaints to Asrock regarding their "return to Taiwan" policy went unanswered. So I'm still waiting, 3 weeks after my MB went kaput. My advice, STAY AWAY FROM ASROCK MOTHERBOARDS !!!!!!!

 

[Chaoticlusts]

You hit the problem right on the head, mate. I bought a Z390 Phantom Gaming 6 from Asrock and it wouldn't start up after 2 and a half months. Would you believe, the agent here, in Malaysia, said that it is Asrock's policy that the MB be sent to Taiwan for checking before I can get a replacement( supposedly a 2 week wait) !!!!! I wonder what the buying public in other countries would do if they were told that? Guess what, 2 weeks and still no MB. Complaints to Asrock regarding their "return to Taiwan" policy went unanswered. So I'm still waiting, 3 weeks after my MB went kaput. My advice, STAY AWAY FROM ASROCK MOTHERBOARDS !!!!!!!

You may well have already done this but if you/anyone who's run into this hasn't It's well worth checking your countries consumer protections. It's extremely common for manufacturers and retailers to state warranty returns processes that are well below what they're legally obliged to provide. Obviously it varies depending on problem and country but you may find that you're entitled to be able to go into your local store and get a replacement and they'll have to deal with sending it off for fixing. Other situations can be them charging you for postage when they aren't allowed, claiming warranty periods that are below minimums, warranties being voided by actions that shouldn't void them (e.g. the annoying stickers).

Like I said you may well have already checked this stuff and I have absolutely zero clue about Malaysian consumer protections (funnily enough 😛) but a decent number of people take this stuff at face value and get stuffed over due to it.

 

[lopri]

2 x 16GB B-die. What do I have to do to go beyond 1800 FCLK? The board simply freezes no matter how loose timings are.

 

[phillyman36]

For some reason my keyboards turns of for a second then cuts back on once in a while. Anyone having this issue?
Also seeing a good amount of this error in the event viewer along with the lighting app stops(aura).
The server {95775DC4-77AA-4E94-8CF6-68267EEF1856} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.

 

[Shmee]

Well I hope that ASrock releases an updated BIOS soon. I have the 3700X, just waiting on a bracket for my AIO and also a more stable BIOS after hearing this.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For some reason my keyboards turns of for a second then cuts back on once in a while. Anyone having this issue?

That's normal while booting, but not normal during operation. I would question if you're getting dips on the +5V line from your PSU.

 

[phillyman36]

That's normal while booting, but not normal during operation. I would question if you're getting dips on the +5V line from your PSU.

The psu is an Evga 850 watt P2 when i hook it up to my intel system i dont have the problem. Im goona try and reinstall the chipset drivers to see what happens. (Happens during normal operations. Already booted into Windows)

 

[B-Riz]

@Markfw The reason why you are limited to 2666 RAM and crap performance on 1.0.0.1 was because that was a pre-release BIOS intentionally crippled by AMD to prevent early performance leaks (yeah, genius move that... 🙄). You need a board BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.2 or better to even clock your RAM past 2666... and need 1.0.0.3+ for boost clocks to work correctly

So yeah, probably will be a month or so with AGESA 1.0.0.4 before most things "just work" for most people. As it is, if you are comfortable changing settings in BIOS you can get most of the way there in anything 1.0.0.2 and up. Or if you're just using typical 3200 MHz or lower RAM kits it'll probably all work on XMP settings because this memory compatibility is definitely leagues beyond Zen/+.

As crazy as it sounds, the 3950X is going to look amazing after the 3000 series public beta. 🙂

 

[B-Riz]

Current Username is almost as good as old user name. Good work Sir.

@GhostPirateLeChuck

I never finished the OG version, got started on the remaster, I think I got stuck at the grog puzzle, lol.

 

[B-Riz]

That was the point of his video. There's been a ton of rampant speculation about the VRM designs on the various X570 motherboards, and a number of folks were effectively steering other people towards much costlier motherboards with "superior" VRM setups that they don't even need. If a sub-$300 motherboard has all the features someone wants, and they aren't trying to overclock the everloving *** out of their CPU, then that's the board they should get, as you pointed out.


edit: The forum backend flags that word for mod approval? Really? OK, I'll change it, but I don't think "...aren't trying to overclock the everloving urine out of their CPU,..." has that same je ne sais quoi as the synonym I used.

IMHO, I think Gigabyte then MSI did it best this X570 launch.

Their board prices, market / product stack positions and BIOS support have been great.

The Gigabyte 12 phase entry level boards are hard to beat for the price.

Asus and AsRock BIOS support, wtf happened? lol