AMD releasing Pro 460, 455, 450 GPUs in Macbook Pro Laptops

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http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2216742

Radeon Pro 400 Series Graphics are designed specifically for today's makers -- the artists, designers, photographers, filmmakers, visualizers and engineers that shape the modern content creation era. Harnessing AMD's acclaimed Polaris architecture, Radeon Pro 400 Series Graphics are built on the industry's most advanced process technology for graphics processors in production today, 14nm FinFET, resulting in incredibly small transistors. To enable the thinnest graphics processor possible, AMD also employs a complex process known as 'die thinning' to reduce the thickness of each wafer of silicon used in the processor from 780 microns to just 380 microns, or slightly less than the thickness of four pieces of paper. Operating in a power envelope under 35W, the Radeon Pro 450, 455, and 460 Series graphics processors deliver spectacular energy efficiency and cool, quiet operation to speed through the most demanding tasks in popular creative applications.

"We couldn't be more proud to have Radeon Pro 400 Series Graphics launching in the new 15-inch MacBook Pro, a notebook designed for performance and creativity," said Raja Koduri, senior vice president and chief architect, Radeon Technologies Group, AMD. "Today there are millions of professional creators and designers, and a billion more who aspire to reach the next level. Radeon Pro 400 Series Graphics are a powerful and versatile creative technology that gives makers entirely new ways to create the art of the impossible no matter where they are."
http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/

Radeon Pro 460
1.86 TFLOPS PEAK PERFORMANCE (UP TO)
16 (1024) COMPUTE UNITS (STREAM PROCESSORS)
80 GB/S MEMORY BANDWIDTH

Radeon Pro 455
1.3 TFLOPS PEAK PERFORMANCE (UP TO)
12 (768) COMPUTE UNITS (STREAM PROCESSORS)
80 GB/S MEMORY BANDWIDTH

Radeon Pro 450
1 TFLOPS PEAK PERFORMANCE (UP TO)
10 (640) COMPUTE UNITS (STREAM PROCESSORS)
80 GB/S MEMORY BANDWIDTH


Look like the full Polaris 11
 

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Well this is no surprise, its just like Tonga. Apple has been getting the best binned fully unlocked chips while the 460 was somewhat disappointing :cool:
 

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Wow - 2 1/2 years after GM107 they have archived the same performance.

1TFLOPs GPU in a $2400 notebook. That is truely "designed for performance and creativity".

Polaris 11 is AMD's next big flop. On par with r600.





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https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/791737906905829376

Yields must be very bad, very low clockspeeds and 460 is only an option, not even part of the base config. They clock the desktop parts way out of spec at 1200MHz just to not look bad.
Those are really low clocks for a FinFET part, lots of sacrifices to hit the desired TDP it seems. And the pricy 16 CUs option should still be slower than a desktop RX 460 (1.86 TFLOPs vs 2.15 TFLOPs). Can't wait for the comparisons with much lower priced Windows notebooks based on GP107.
 
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1TFLOPs GPU in a $2400 notebook. That is truely "designed for performance and creativity".
$200 difference between 450 and 460 (1 -> 1.8TFLOP), maybe, just maybe the $2400 starting price isn't solely based on the GPU? ;)

This is apple who charges $200 for 2.7 -> 2.9 i7 upgrade, $400 for 512 -> 1TB SSD upgrade
 
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https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/791737906905829376



Yields must be very bad, very low clockspeeds and 460 is only an option, not even part of the base config. They clock the desktop parts way out of spec at 1200MHz just to not look bad.
clock speed is lower to meet power requirements for laptops. Same thing happens with pascal GPUs even with the massive laptops they come in (or they just throttle anyway). its a 123mm^2 chip. If yields are bad for that, polaris 10 must be horrible...

These are not gaming laptops. Apple plans to take full advantage of openCL and whatever else they can through metal api. It will help the productivity apps a lot. The 4K video editing they showed seemed smooth, for example.
 
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Those are really low clocks for a FinFET part, lots of sacrifices to hit the desired TDP it seems. And the pricy 16 CUs option should still be slower than a desktop RX 460 (1.86 TFLOPs vs 2.15 TFLOPs). Can't wait for the comparisons with much lower priced Windows notebooks based on GP107.
87% of the FLOPS for 32% of the TDP of the RX 460 sounds like a good trade. Will certainty be interesting to see what Pascal can do in a similar envelope, but this certainly looks better than Maxwell on the surface. Of course TDP should always be taken with a grain of salt and it's very difficult to isolate actual GPU consumption in a laptop, unless you have two identical laptops that only vary by the GPU inside (which then only gets you relative differences as opposed to absolute consumption).
 
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87% of the FLOPS for 32% of the TDP of the RX 460 sounds like a good trade. Will certainty be interesting to see what Pascal can do in a similar envelope, but this certainly looks better than Maxwell on the surface. Of course TDP should always be taken with a grain of salt and it's very difficult to isolate actual GPU consumption in a laptop, unless you have two identical laptops that only vary by the GPU inside (which then only gets you relative differences as opposed to absolute consumption).
It is actually meant to be the thinnest Macbook they made - wasn't there some noise about the low physical height of Polaris 11 package?? I wonder how that enters into the equation??
 
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87% of the FLOPS for 32% of the TDP of the RX 460 sounds like a good trade. Will certainty be interesting to see what Pascal can do in a similar envelope, but this certainly looks better than Maxwell on the surface. Of course TDP should always be taken with a grain of salt and it's very difficult to isolate actual GPU consumption in a laptop, unless you have two identical laptops that only vary by the GPU inside (which then only gets you relative differences as opposed to absolute consumption).
That's FLOPs measured at a turbo, so don't think AMD has magically improved perf/watt by that much relative to 460.
 

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It is actually meant to be the thinnest Macbook they made - wasn't there some noise about the low physical height of Polaris 11 package?? I wonder how that enters into the equation??
Yeah the quoted article states they got it down to 380 microns in height. That's a seriously thin die for a GPU. This is a good partnership for AMD, they need to appear in premium products and not throttle terribly at low TDP to show that they can make a good premium product.
 

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That's FLOPs measured at a turbo, so don't think AMD has magically improved perf/watt by that much relative to 460.
Emm,forgotten the Fury Nano?? Guess what speed that was running at?? You are also quite aware,someone here posted the voltage curve for Polaris 10 - the optimal was when it was run at 900MHZ to 950MHZ.

These are binned mobile parts,most likely not designed with massive boost frequencies in mind.

Yeah the quoted article states they got it down to 380 microns in height. That's a seriously thin die for a GPU. This is a good partnership for AMD, they need to appear in premium products and not throttle terribly at low TDP to show that they can make a good premium product.
Wow,that might explain the win - that will help a lot with integrating it into a thinner laptop.

 
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Wow - 2 1/2 years after GM107 they have archived the same performance.

1TFLOPs GPU in a $2400 notebook. That is truely "designed for performance and creativity".

Polaris 11 is AMD's next big flop. On par with r600.
https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/791737906905829376



Yields must be very bad, very low clockspeeds and 460 is only an option, not even part of the base config. They clock the desktop parts way out of spec at 1200MHz just to not look bad.
Those are really low clocks for a FinFET part, lots of sacrifices to hit the desired TDP it seems. And the pricy 16 CUs option should still be slower than a desktop RX 460 (1.86 TFLOPs vs 2.15 TFLOPs). Can't wait for the comparisons with much lower priced Windows notebooks based on GP107.
Can you guys let an AMD thread get at least 3 posts before you start thread crapping?

Anyway, if the 30W is remotely true, that's not bad.
 

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Those are really low clocks for a FinFET part, lots of sacrifices to hit the desired TDP it seems. And the pricy 16 CUs option should still be slower than a desktop RX 460 (1.86 TFLOPs vs 2.15 TFLOPs). Can't wait for the comparisons with much lower priced Windows notebooks based on GP107.
They're not the only ones who've reduced clocks to hit power targets.

 
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Those are really low clocks for a FinFET part, lots of sacrifices to hit the desired TDP it seems. And the pricy 16 CUs option should still be slower than a desktop RX 460 (1.86 TFLOPs vs 2.15 TFLOPs). Can't wait for the comparisons with much lower priced Windows notebooks based on GP107.
MacOs vs Windows ? Are you kidding me ? so you're waiting for another flame war? According to Rayan It's "For a laptop, 460 is good. Still 35W, it's not a gaming laptop"
Now If you think It's still not enough and Nvidia has upper hand Then Please Leave thread! I don't see any problem.It's good for AMD to gather more resource.I have to say World Is not all about Best of Best.
 

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From the Anandtech article you linked the picture from:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10799/apple-announces-4th-generation-macbook-pro-family-thinner-lighter-with-thunderbolt-3-touch-bar

Under the hood, this change in volume comes without a significant change in official TDPs (so all factors held equal, Apple would be removing the same amount of heat in a thinner design). Apple has finally made the jump across the entire family to Intel’s 14nm Skylake processors. The basic 13” model uses a 15W CPU, the higher-end 13” model uses a 28W CPU, and the 15” model uses a 45W CPU, the latter two being the same TDPs as the last generation. Apple isn’t talking up CPU performance too much here, but given how long they’ve been on Haswell on the 15” model in particular, we should see a good performance bump.

Meanwhile, in a change from the 3rd generation design, all 15” 4th gen MacBook Pros come with discrete Radeon Pro graphics. Apple has tapped AMD’s new Polaris 11 GPU, in part for the low z-height it offers, which replaces the 4 year old Cape Verde GPU in the previous MacBook Pro. Apple is offering 3 dGPU configurations at increasingly higher performance. From what AMD has told me, these chips are all in the ballpark of 35W. Relative to the previous dGPU models – or even more, the previous model that only offered an integrated Intel GPU – GPU performance should be greatly improved over the last generation. Over 2x for the top-tier Radeon Pro 460 is a very reasonable assumption right now, though one that testing will need to confirm.
Looks like the entry level 15" Macbook which only had integrated graphics now has a discrete card even though the chassis is now thinner.
 
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Apple of course mostly cares about compute power, and at 1.8 TF is pretty good at 35W.

Looks like the entry level Macbook which only had integrated graphics now has a discrete card even though the chassis is now thinner.
No, only the 15" comes standard with dGPUs when it didn't before.
 

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Edited my post to say it was the 15" model.
Yeah. The 15" models now only come with the regular non-Iris Pro Intel processors; so Apple is saving some money there. I'm sure AMD gave Apple a really good deal on this so the cost difference between Skylake Iris Pro and Skylake Regular + Radeon Pro 450 probably wasn't much.
 

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Yeah. The 15" models now only come with the regular non-Iris Pro Intel processors; so Apple is saving some money there. I'm sure AMD gave Apple a really good deal on this so the cost difference between Skylake Iris Pro and Skylake Regular + Radeon Pro 450 probably wasn't much.
I thought it was the physical package that was reduced in height,but it seems they actually reduced the height of the actual wafer itself.
 

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1.84TFlops at <35w sounds very good, is there a reason why there are posts here thinking otherwise?
 

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