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Question AMD preps Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT for June 16 ....TweakTown

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AMD rumored to refresh Matisse CPUs with Ryzen 7 3850X and 3750X

A big juicy rumor has just hit the internet, with it teasing that AMD would be refreshing its current-gen Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with two new entries.

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These two new processors are the Ryzen 7 3850X and the Ryzen 7 3750X, which would succeed the Ryzen 7 3800X and Ryzen 7 3700X processors that are currently on the market. The tweet comes from 'HXL' who published the SKUs of the two new processors and made sure to tell the world they are "Not APU".

The tweet itself was a reply his own tweet of a 'Big day coming...' and that the release would be on 6/16 which after that AMD would launch on 7/7. An interesting timeline of release for the Matisse refresh, as 7/7 was the date that the Zen 2-based Ryzen 3000 series launched in 2019.



If you didn't believe just that single tweet, then how about GIGABYTE kinda confirming the Matisse Refresh in their B550 presentation slide, as noted by VideoCardz. The GIGABYTE motherboards roadmap for support shows "Matisse & Refresh",

"Vermeer", and "Renoir" -- all of which aren't released yet.

AMD seems to be responding to the just-launched Intel Core i9-10900K and Core i7-10700K processors, as these new Ryzen 7 3850X and Ryzen 7 3750X processors would directly compete against Intel's new 10th Gen CPU offerings.

AMD preps Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT for June 16

We first heard wind of AMD's upcoming Matisse Refresh in some leaked news barely 24 hours ago, but now we have some even juicier stuff to talk about: the Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT.

That's right, according to our friends at Wccftech, AMD is about to launch the Matisse Refresh with the Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT processors. The new Ryzen 3000 series CPUs would adopt the "XT" branding, something that Radeon fans will remember and love to see back in the ring.

The new rumor has AMD replacing the Ryzen 9 3900X, Ryzen 7 3800X and Ryzen 5 3600X with the new Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT, Ryzen 5 3600XT processors -- but increasing the CPU clocks, having enhanced overclocking support, and dropping the price on the current-gen CPUs that they replace.

Ryzen 9 3900XT - 12C/24T + faster clocks + enhanced OC support
Ryzen 7 3800XT - 8C/16T + faster clocks + enhanced OC support
Ryzen 5 3600XT - 4C/8T + faster clocks + enhanced OC support

These new CPUs would compete directly against Intel's latest Comet Lake processors, in the just-launched Core i9-10900K, Core i7-10700K, and Core i5-10600K.
 
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Makaveli

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I think this rumor is bogus.

It doesn't make sense releasing these now so close to Zen 3.

All they need is to adjust pricing which they did. The 3900X is cheaper than the 10900k.

And I believe the 3700x and lower are already price competitive with their intel rivals.
 

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I think this makes perfect sense. If the yields are good enough now why not add more SKU's to the lineup? Maybe they are sitting on piles of good binned chiplets with a defective CCX? 2 chiplet 6 and 8 cores would offer some real latency and heat dissipation advantages. Maybe they are consistently churning out chiplets a grade above what they were at launch and can now sell better bins without being any less profitable.

This is an easy answer to comet lake that they can do right now very easily. They can just EOL 3600x and 3800x and shift down the other Zen 2 SKU's in price. The 3600x and 3800x weren't really much better than the 3600 and 3700x anyway. It allows them to have flexibility on timing the zen 3 launch. They can just launch a limited lineup of premium Zen 3 Halo products and keep churning out Intel competitive zen 2 CPU's for less money in the mid and low end. Or delay the launch completely if it makes sense.

They sold a ton of Zen and Zen + stuff at a deep discount after they were replaced with a new generation. Why wouldn't they do the same with zen 2?
 

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RYZEN 9 3900XT - 4.1GHz base, 4.8GHz boost.
RYZEN 7 3800XT - 4.2GHz base, 4.7GHz boost.
RYZEN 5 3600XT - 4.0GHz base, 4.7GHz boost.

你们以为这就结束了?

***FCLK 2000
And...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gplzcj


https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/goms56


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Looks like these newer 3600 batches are doing some previously impossible clocks at ~1.2v. If 3600 level quality chiplets are hitting that high, then it's completely plausible for 3800x-3900x tier chiplets to do the quoted speeds.

2000MHz fabric also means 1:1 4000MHz memory.

Those nice b-die and rev. E sticks we're all using will now be able to get closer to their actual abilities... and games will love the lower latency.

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Looks like 7nm got a nice refinement lately... bodes well for Zen3 and 7nm+ or whatever the enhanced version it's built on is called now
 
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Rigg

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a 4.7ghz boost on the XT getting rid of the X and keeping the non X would totally make getting an XT worth it over a base model at each model level .
IDK. If those 3600 overclocks @.vodka showed are now the norm on the latest batches of silicon that bodes really well for overclocking the cheaper base parts. As someone who enjoys overclocking Ryzen those screenshots make me want to sell my launch 3900x in a fit of rage.
 

Avalon

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Interesting if true. That would complicate my potential upgrade options, in a good way. Right now I'm on a Gigabyte X370 Gaming K3 board with a Ryzen 5 1600, and the board has unofficial 3000 series Matisse support. I was planning on waiting for Zen 3 late this year to see if perhaps unofficial support for it would be added to my board, or if I was going to need to grab a new B550 board. Now, a cheaper and higher clocking Zen 2 on my existing board would be rather enticing. Hmm, decisions!
 

DrMrLordX

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Why the heck would they do such a thing? Sit on the faster Zen 3 chips and release slower ones to the market?
I can't explain it. Zen3 should replace the entire Matisse lineup. Even if Zen3 only launches initially with two top-tier SKUs, that doesn't leave room for all the SKUs allegedly slated to appear on June 16th.

@Avalon

Should be interesting to see when support for the Matisse refresh chips is patched into older boards.
 

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IDK. If those 3600 overclocks @.vodka showed are now the norm on the latest batches of silicon that bodes really well for overclocking the cheaper base parts. As someone who enjoys overclocking Ryzen those screenshots make me want to sell my launch 3900x in a fit of rage.
There's the catch. If those XT models are true, those 3600X that overclock so nice, they are gone :p
 

jpiniero

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I can't explain it. Zen3 should replace the entire Matisse lineup. Even if Zen3 only launches initially with two top-tier SKUs, that doesn't leave room for all the SKUs allegedly slated to appear on June 16th.
It makes sense, the three XT models replace the non-XT model at the same or slightly higher price. The 12 and 16 core Vermeer will cost decently more.

You'll notice there is no 16 core XT model.
 

french toast

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If this is true AMD is going to squeeze Intel's Comet lake hard through greater clocks and price reductions from the get go, Comet has an incredible tough sell if you prioritise general pc performance or productivity, hell even if you game at 1440p/ultra it doesn't make a great deal of sense.. That's before these new SKUs land.

If we assume top Zen3 sku's hard launch by November (4800x? , 4900x,4950x) then potential Rocket lake will be DOA.

Not looking good for Intel in terms of CPUs, they are making record profits though..playing the mobile and long CPU game with 7nm and Ocean Cove.
Any news on when Rocket will arrive?
Intel better hope they can get it out for a hard launch this year and they can get - 5Ghz clocks.. Doubtful imo if it is Sunny Cove, Willow Cove with another enhanced 14nm +++++ & TVB might hit 5ghz imo... Might be competive In single thread, get destroyed everywhere else.
Ring bus or Mesh?- latency may be affected (gaming). Amd has already baked in connectivity penalty with Ryzen and in fact will improve this going forward with Zen 3...
10 or 12 cores? Die size and heat would be a major hurdle, ring bus may not support greater than 10 cores...meaning mesh and likely an impact to latency, either way 10-12 cores of Willow Cove is not going to be enough, even if they solve latency issue and can somehow hit 5Ghz ST.
Intel's only hope is being the budget option on Desktop (How times change! ) mobile sector/enterprise-using marketing cash to incentivise and keep Amd down long enough for Intel's work with new engineers, upcoming technologies (EMIB, Fovoros, one API, XE graphics et al) and improvement in process with 7nm to kick in..they certainly have the cash to easily bide their time... Problem is AMD have a heads up and won't be standing still.

Anyway I am somewhat off topic so I won't go further on this thread.
Intel is rocking atm that's for sure.
 
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Gideon

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If this turns out to be true, it might be quite a signifcant upgrade for gaming performance (similar to zen to zen+). Production benches should improve 4-5% while latency with DDR-4000 could improve up to 7-8ns, which is over 10%.

I really hope Zen 3 improves upon it with FCLK of at least 2100-2200 Mhz. That + the Cache changes should really do wonders for gaminig performance
 

Kenmitch

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If this turns out to be true, it might be quite a signifcant upgrade for gaming performance (similar to zen to zen+). Production benches should improve 4-5% while latency with DDR-4000 could improve up to 7-8ns, which is over 10%.

I really hope Zen 3 improves upon it with FCLK of at least 2100-2200 Mhz. That + the Cache changes should really do wonders for gaminig performance
My b-die would pop some wood if it turns out to be true.

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geokilla

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Some are speculating that while Zen 3 will launch, it will only be for the server side so desktops won't actually get Zen 3 will 2021. I think it makes sense. Zen 2 is already killing Intel so AMD has no reason to launch Zen 3 right now. They might as well keep refining Zen 2 like Intel and the 14nm++++ for another year and focus on what really brings in the most profits, servers and data centres.

Also with Zen, we had Zen+ and then Zen 2. I always thought it was weird AMD didn't announce a Zen 2+ and is instead going straight to Zen 3. If there is a Zen 2 refresh coming, it would explain why AMD and the board partners originally didn't want to support Zen 3 on the B450 chipset.
 

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