AMD prepares dualcore 45nm surprise - Callisto

[fusion238]

AMD has another surprise for Intel. It's preparing a CPU codenamed Callisto and this is a new CPU that we haven?t seen on the roadmap before.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....iew&id=12086&Itemid=35

This news about a Phenom II based chip with two cores is very stunning and some people are comparing it to how ATI has quickly overpowered Nvidia in nearly every segment of the graphics card marketplace.

If Callisto is derived from the thoroughbred line of the Phenom II CPUs, then AMD may overpower Intel in the range of $75-$300 high performance CPUs that run on either nearly free DDR2 memory or optional DDR3.




* Just an enthusiast (not fanboy) that owns Intel, AMD, ATI, Nvidia systems and parts. Ordering new Phenom X3 720BE with Biostar 790 mb.

 

[Andrew1990]

I do believe that we have known about Dual Core Phenom IIs for a while now.

With the Phenom II X3 so cheap, I dont see why anyone would look at the Phenom II X2 unless is was sub $60.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: fusion238
If Callisto is derived from the thoroughbred line of the Phenom II CPUs, then AMD may overpower Intel in the range of $75-$300 high performance CPUs that run on either nearly free DDR2 memory or optional DDR3.

If it's derived from a quad-core, then Intel will easily beat it with the superior Wolfdale which will be faster, use less power and cost far less to manufacture.

This news about a Phenom II based chip with two cores is very stunning and some people are comparing it to how ATI has quickly overpowered Nvidia in nearly every segment of the graphics card marketplace.

The difference here is Intel has both the performance and cost of manufacturing advantage.

 

[RallyMaster]

Buh buh buh. Failed Phenom II X4s?

 

[fusion238]

Each time Intel forces their users to use a new socket and CPUs like that used for i7/i5/i3/iX
they frustrate a large number who may decide to "jump ship" or "jump chip" to a competitor.

As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: fusion238


AMD has another surprise for Intel. It's preparing a CPU codenamed Callisto and this is a new CPU that we haven?t seen on the roadmap before.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....iew&id=12086&Itemid=35

This news about a Phenom II based chip with two cores is very stunning and some people are comparing it to how ATI has quickly overpowered Nvidia in nearly every segment of the graphics card marketplace.

If Callisto is derived from the thoroughbred line of the Phenom II CPUs, then AMD may overpower Intel in the range of $75-$300 high performance CPUs that run on either nearly free DDR2 memory or optional DDR3.




* Just an enthusiast (not fanboy) that owns Intel, AMD, ATI, Nvidia systems and parts. Ordering new Phenom X3 720BE with Biostar 790 mb.

BOLD = Clearly fanboi-speak.

Oh yeah, this was reported as coming up over 1/2 year ago.

If you were truly not a fanboi , you would have posted something like, "hey Dual-Core Phenom II's are on the way." There's not point in even mentioning Intel in a post like this, except to rouse conflict.

 

[dguy6789]

Oh, it's fusion238. I took this thread somewhat seriously until I read the name of the OP. Just viral marketing nonsense. Nothing to see here.

 

[Fox5]

These cpus are likely just Phenom IIs with two failed cores, or AMD has a surplus of Phenom IIs and needs to clear out inventory. They'll probably be competitively priced so as to be a good choice, but aren't going to one up Intel.

AMD needs to do with cpus what it did with graphics cards. Forget about the Opteron, and just make tinier cpus that are good enough. A 4Ghz dual Athlon X2 (thus a quad) doesn't sound like it would have been an entirely unreasonable engineering feat, probably would have been less R&D than Phenom with less chances of messing up, and be way way cheaper to produce while being good enough to be a mainstream choice. That AMD even sells consumer cpus with L3 cache seems stupid, the die size/cost reduction would probably outweigh the loss of performance, and the performance of AMD's L3 cache hasn't been much to write home about anyway.

 

[dmens]

As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online

wintf?

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Fox5
These cpus are likely just Phenom IIs with two failed cores, or AMD has a surplus of Phenom IIs and needs to clear out inventory. They'll probably be competitively priced so as to be a good choice, but aren't going to one up Intel.

AMD needs to do with cpus what it did with graphics cards. Forget about the Opteron, and just make tinier cpus that are good enough. A 4Ghz dual Athlon X2 (thus a quad) doesn't sound like it would have been an entirely unreasonable engineering feat, probably would have been less R&D than Phenom with less chances of messing up, and be way way cheaper to produce while being good enough to be a mainstream choice. That AMD even sells consumer cpus with L3 cache seems stupid, the die size/cost reduction would probably outweigh the loss of performance, and the performance of AMD's L3 cache hasn't been much to write home about anyway.

It seems as though having the larger cache is the only way that PhII can be competitive with Core 2. Take away the L3 cache, and you nearly have Original Phenom (TM).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

 

[fusion238]

Since you are deliberately omitting the text of the Fudzilla article where it states "You can expect this CPU in Q2 2009 and we are sure that this CPU might give Intel's Core 2 dual-core generation a lot to fight for," you disprove your own assertions (unless Fudzilla is a AMD fanboy website). But I am getting used to false charges.

If you also want to prove to everyone the effect and or effectiveness of the L3 cache by disabling it on both the Phenom II and the Intel Core and i7 CPUs then we await your experiment and results.

There is no doubt Intel has higher instructions/cycle but if you drastically reduce their L3 cache, then it could be the Intel Core and i7 CPUs suffer more in overall performance than AMD Phenom IIs.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Good for AMD, better to sell a PhII with two bad cores for $50 then throw it away I guess.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: fusion238

Since you are deliberately omitting the text of the Fudzilla article where it states "You can expect this CPU in Q2 2009 and we are sure that this CPU might give Intel's Core 2 dual-core generation a lot to fight for," you disprove your own assertions (unless Fudzilla is a AMD fanboy website). But I am getting used to false charges.

If you also want to prove to everyone the effect and or effectiveness of the L3 cache by disabling it on both the Phenom II and the Intel Core and i7 CPUs then we await your experiment and results.

There is no doubt Intel has higher instructions/cycle but if you drastically reduce their L3 cache, then it could be the Intel Core and i7 CPUs suffer more in overall performance than AMD Phenom IIs.

Here is the complete Fudzilla article:

Callisto with 6MB of L3 cache AMD has another surprise for Intel. It's preparing a CPU codenamed Callisto and this is a new CPU that we haven?t seen on the roadmap before. The Heka three-core is nothing more than Deneb quad-core without one core, and with this in mind AMD wants to do the same with the new dual-core. The CPU, codenamed Callisto, is a 45nm dual-core with 1MB L2 and a massive 6MB of L3 cache. This is an AM3 CPU that is harvested from the Deneb core and despite the fact that it might be quite a big chip, it should give dual-core Pentium CPUs a run for its money. You can expect this CPU in Q2 2009 and we are sure that this CPU might give Intel's Core 2 dual-core generation a lot to fight for.

You are the one injecting terms like "very stunning" and "overpower".

How has AMD/ATi "overpowered" Nvidia, BTW? There's a great deal of parity between the 2 right now.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Good for AMD, better to sell a PhII with two bad cores for $50 then throw it away I guess.

The fact that there are enough 2-core "failures" to create a new line is disturbing, though.

 

[Face2Face]

I think the New Phenom II are great CPU's. I looking to ditch my e6850 and go for the Phenom II X3 720 BE-- can/t wait to overclok that bad boy. MY brother just purchased a new New Phenom II System with 780G motherboard, 8 GB of Gskill 1066 and A Phenom II X4 940-- Can't wait to get this build in process. It's gonna be a Beast..

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Greenhell6
I think the New Phenom II are great CPU's. I looking to ditch my e6850 and go for the Phenom II X3 720 BE-- can/t wait to overclok that bad boy. MY brother just purchased a new New Phenom II System with 780G motherboard, 8 GB of Gskill 1066 and A Phenom II X4 940-- Can't wait to get this build in process. It's gonna be a Beast..

What not just drop in a Core 2 Quad?

 

[jones377]

AMD could really use a trimmed down Phenom 2 X2 (or whatever you wanna call it) to replace the aging K8 X2s. This one will never be able to be manufactured in enough volumes to make much of a difference. I guess the reason AMD hasn't come out with a 45nm dual core yet is because they don't have the engineer manpower, forcing them to use damaged Deneb cores instead.

It's funny, if they had gone with an MCM for their now canceled 45nm fusion project they could have salvaged the CPU part and used it to replace the old X2s from top to bottom. Instead they went for an integrated all or nothing approach and ended up with nothing, again!

I really hope AMD comes out with a true dual core (lulz) on 45nm eventually. Without an L3 cache and with only 2 cores it should have a pretty damn small die area and still perform better than K8 both per clock and in pure clock speed allowing higher ASP as a result.

 

[waffleironhead]

It really depends on the reference clocks that these are released at IMO. If they can pump out some dual core cpus that are around the 3.5Ghz mark they ~may~ be competitive with the intel wolfdales, just not clock for clock.

 

[garritynet]

If the new new X2 PhIIs are AM2 compatible they could be a nice upgrade for all the people out there running X2 3800s and the like.

 

[bryanW1995]

omfg!! that seals it for me. I'm selling my x3350 now before it becomes worse than useless and buying a phenom II 720xebe!!!

My year old cpu is still faster than anything amd has. This is pathetic.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

If this is sub $80, we're going to see a huge ripple effect in consumer confidence that intel can not make competitive processors at competitive prices. If the prices go as follow, Intel might have to abandon ship on their enthusiast products.

2.4ghz - $44
2.6ghz - $54
2.7ghz - $59
2.8ghz - $69
3.0ghz - $79
3.1ghz - $89
3.2ghz - $99

Now these speeds are made up, but knowing amd they will likely follow something close. If they can establish themselves in that price segment, Intel has something HUGE to worry about. I think this is something entirely possible.

We've already seen AMD do this with their video cards at extremely low prices. Such as the 4650 going as low as $35. It nearly comparable to my old 8800GTS 320mb that i still use to this day. And we're talking $35. The 4830 deal for only $67.99. That is SICK performance for such a low price. I believe we're seeing some intense competition for the mainstream consumers. AMD might pull this one out by controlling both the CPU and the GPU markets. I'm no fanboy of either, i have equally as much Intel as i do AMD, and ATI as much as my Nvidia chipsets.

Competition is great.

 

[exar333]

I almost thought this thread was useful too, until I saw it was by "AMD Fanboi". How is this news? This has been in the works for a long time (see Flipped Gazelle's link).

Can we stop with these threads that have no purpose?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Good for AMD, better to sell a PhII with two bad cores for $50 then throw it away I guess.

The fact that there are enough 2-core "failures" to create a new line is disturbing, though.

I'm sure AMD doesn't want to sell them or build them so that the cores fail... but, this is a new processing tech for them (they just went 45nm) so I guess it's to be somewhat expected. But I do agree with what you're saying overall, hopefully AMD doesn't have to try and pimp out single core PhII's. I would think that wouldn't be a good sign.

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: fusion238
As for using Deneb core, it would not be surprising to find that users can Paypal $25 or so to AMD and enable another core online! I think Intel and Microsoft do something similar with server chips and software.

LOL!!!!!


Yeah, right.

AMD fanboy here doesn't know how processors are made, obviously.