AMD Phenom 940 shatters 3DMark World Record - Valentines Day 2009

[fusion238]

In short order, Team Finland has taken the new AMD Phenom IIs from very good
subsonic CPUs to the highest class of supercool supersonic CPUs that will repeatedly
shatter World Record benchmarks in every category.

Congrats to high flying Finns!

http://service.futuremark.com/...3&operatingsystem=-100

Also see the current World Record accolades:

*** Link deleted. No cross posting here. If you keep it up, this thread will be locked.

Markfr900
Anandtech Moderator


Merged both threads into this one
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[Zstream]

Damn, nice score.

 

[daw123]

The record was hardly shattered - there is only 20 points difference between 1st and 2nd place.

And I'm sure in a few weeks time, someone else will do even better.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Congrats to Intel Core i7 for having the highest CPU score! Overpowers PhII by 594!

Congrats to this post! For shattering all other posts!

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Congrats to Intel Core i7 for having the highest CPU score! Overpowers PhII by 594!

Congrats to this post! For shattering all other posts!

LOL.

 

[Idontcare]

CPU: AMD Engineering Sample

I may be the only person that feels this way, but when I see engineering sample I think "great, who cares?". Of course I tend to think this way when I see that it's cooled with LN2 too. Its not clear to me what the achievement is here. Now if they accomplished this score using off-the-shelf retail available components, including the cooling solution, then I might be convinced there is some value.

But whether they score 35k or 500k in 3dmark06 when they go to otherwise inaccessible extremes to achieve it then for all it matters to me they could be benching some superconducting supercooled alien-tech powered rig on the darkside of the moon, the performance level of their rig means nothing to me personally or as an enthusiast. How excited do we get when the latest o-scopes hit 10GHz? It's a world record clockspeed isn't it? And yet its mostly irrelevant to anyone who doesn't use o-scopes.

Same as a world record 3dmark score from a rig that all but about 10 people on the planet have access to or the knowledge to create with their own hands. Yeah for them :beer:, now lets get back to talking about the kind of performance I can expect to extract from a retail Phenom II rig with commercially available hardware...

 

[DrMrLordX]

I would be more impressed if these overclocking teams stopped pushing Phenom IIs or Core 2s to 6gz+ speeds and started marketing hardware packages that let Joe Average Overclocker do the same thing (or close to it) in the comfort of his own home without blowing a fuse or throwing a breaker every time he turned their computer on and fully loaded all cores.

Of course, that would probably mean selling people 100+ litre dewars with little spigots on the bottom to let LN2 flow out at a user-selected rate into an insulated case. It would be leet but it would cost several thousand dollars just for the dewar, and you'd have to visit the local cryogenics supplier every so often to refill. You'd also have to mount mechanical storage devices (platter-based HDDs, DVD-RWs, etc) outside the case so they wouldn't freeze up, and you'd probably want to mount the PSU externally as well.

 

[fusion238]

To the two preceding posters, since most world records of any kind are accomplished
utilizing specialized equipment it is to be expected. But what everyone in the world
can infer that the new AMD Phenoms are capable of very good overclocks using very
inexpensive cooling apparatus.

For example, this fellow has got his Phenom II 720 BE between 4.3 and 4.4 Ghz on air
and it would be no surprise in the coming weeks that the 720 BE getting close to 5 Ghz
with off the shelf liquid cooling.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=507122

For a sub $150 chip, that is outstanding performance for the price!

 

[Duvie]

I am seeing a pattern with your post fusion238....

Bottomline the average ocer in here doesn't LN2 and suicide bench their PC so bottomline the phenom II does not impress much in here with reality benching...

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: fusion238
To the two preceding posters, since most world records of any kind are accomplished
utilizing specialized equipment it is to be expected. But what everyone in the world
can infer that the new AMD Phenoms are capable of very good overclocks using very
inexpensive cooling apparatus.

For example, this fellow has got his Phenom II 720 BE between 4.3 and 4.4 Ghz on air
and it would be no surprise in the coming weeks that the 720 BE getting close to 5 Ghz
with off the shelf liquid cooling.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=507122

For a sub $150 chip, that is outstanding performance for the price!

Every single one of your posts, is the most fanboy stuff I have ever seen. I have a Phemon II, and I got it just so I can say with authority what I think of the chip. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, and your posts are one that I definitely don't believe, or the things you link to.

They are not that great in overclocking....

 

[Ichigo]

If it was an Intel system, would most people just say "Cool" and move on? The second poster had the right idea.

I fail to understand why we need to criticize this post, even if he has a slight AMD bias.

If you really don't care, don't post.

In either case, this just proves that 3DMark is a really specialized and poorly representative benchmark

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
If it was an Intel system, would most people just say "Cool" and move on? The second poster had the right idea.

I think it's fair game to critique the premise of the thread, just as the third poster did.

We don't have sacred cows here at AT cpu forums. I've seen thread after thread be equally critical of posts extolling the virtues of Intel chips under LN2 suicide runs as well.

When the Intel D0 stepping 975 stuff was being touted a month ago there was an equally skeptical crowd here over that as well.

Originally posted by: Ichigo
I fail to understand why we need to criticize this post, even if he has a slight AMD bias.

If you really don't care, don't post.

We do care, that's why we post. Presumably you do as well, hence your criticism of the other posters in the thread for making their posts. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses...

Originally posted by: Ichigo
In either case, this just proves that 3DMark is a really specialized and poorly representative benchmark

Aren't they all? I don't play 3DMark06 much.

 

[VirtualLarry]

viral marketing, or extreme fanboy? you decide...

 

[fusion238]

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the
mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift
from a higher presence.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=217877

 

[eternalone]

LOL I like this guy. Phenom 2's have done well I will admit that.

 

[thilanliyan]

Ummm...yeah. PhII is good but not one of the greatest in history...unless you look at it from the point of view of Phenom I being a failure and is followed by Phenom II. My next CPU will probably be a PhII since I wanna stay with DDR2 for a while but don't be blind. Also, did he actually do any testing with it or just took that screenshot and left it at that?

EDIT: That's not a 940...it's an ES of something else. Stock is 2.4GHz on that....whatever it is. 2.4GHz to 3.7GHz is actually pretty impressive especially at that voltage.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: fusion238

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the
mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift
from a higher presence.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=217877

Your fanboyism seems to have no bounds. This kind of post is over the line. They are NOT that great. If you keep this up, its going to get you into trouble.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fusion238

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the
mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift
from a higher presence.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=217877

Your fanboyism seems to have no bounds. This kind of post is over the line. They are NOT that great. If you keep this up, its going to get you into trouble.

SSSShhhhhhhhhh......
We need AMD around.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fusion238

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the
mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift
from a higher presence.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=217877

Your fanboyism seems to have no bounds. This kind of post is over the line. They are NOT that great. If you keep this up, its going to get you into trouble.

Yeah, I felt like we where getting a message from the AMD marketing department. The whole "purest silicon" Thing is laughable at best. This thread should be locked as there really isn't any topic of discussion IMO.

 

[Tempered81]

sheesh, make a good cpu & let the numbers speak for themselves

we don't need people to speak for the numbers.

Here is a number.....

940@3.6 1393 ppd vs Q8200@2.8 1589 ppd on the same work unit. I have been trying not to post this in every thread, but when crap like this comes up, I have to at least point out a few facts.

Note: in other benchmarks they do better, but they are CERTAINLY NOT the greatest every.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fusion238

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the
mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift
from a higher presence.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=217877

Your fanboyism seems to have no bounds. This kind of post is over the line. They are NOT that great. If you keep this up, its going to get you into trouble.

Yeah, I felt like we where getting a message from the AMD marketing department. The whole "purest silicon" Thing is laughable at best. This thread should be locked as there really isn't any topic of discussion IMO.

I am seriously considering that. Every post he he, lights a flame. We don't need that. If more respond that agree, I may lock. If any decent discussion comes, I have to leave it alone.

FACTS ADDITION: 940 BE@3.6 = 1383 ppd vs Q8200 @ 2.8 = 1589 ppd on the same work unit. See here.
NOTE: these are on 2665 units, and both machines are doing 2 smp units.


NOTE: on other benchmarks, they do better, but they are CERTAINLY NOT the greatest ever.....

 

[fusion238]

How can I be an AMD fanboy when I like the following:

VIA for its Nano CPU

AMD for its Phenom II CPUs

ATI for its graphics GPUs

Intel for its Atom CPUs

Nvidia for its Tegra CPUs

That makes me and millions of other people V.A.A.I.N?

Not only that but when I bought a used tablet PC, I picked an Intel-based PC
over an AMD.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: fusion238

How can I be an AMD fanboy when I like the following:

VIA for its Nano CPU

AMD for its Phenom II CPUs

ATI for its graphics GPUs

Intel for its Atom CPUs

Nvidia for its Tegra CPUs

That makes me and millions of other people V.A.A.I.N?

Not only that but when I bought a used tablet PC, I picked an Intel-based PC
over an AMD.

AMD Phenom II series are shaping up to be one of the greatest CPUs for the mainstream public in history. The pureness of the silicon is likened to a gift from a higher presence.

Statements like that are rediculous.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I am seriously considering that. Every post he he, lights a flame. We don't need that. If more respond that agree, I may lock. If any decent discussion comes, I have to leave it alone.

Mark, my opinion is to give the OP all the rope he needs for now.

He'll either hang himself with it (i.e. destroy every last shred of credibility he was ever going to garner in these forums) or he's going to throw one end of it up and out of the hole he's digging himself in hopes that some kind soul grabs hold and hoists him out.

The posts are just soooo over the top that they are more comical than harmful from my point of view. "Amazing pureness of AMD Phenom silicon discovered" :laugh:

But the links are really nice to see, they add value to the forum IMO, even if the description of their contents is somewhat embellished...

 

[Idontcare]

attempts to be a kind soul

Originally posted by: fusion238
How can I be an AMD fanboy when I like the following:

VIA for its Nano CPU

AMD for its Phenom II CPUs

ATI for its graphics GPUs

Intel for its Atom CPUs

Nvidia for its Tegra CPUs

That makes me and millions of other people V.A.A.I.N?

Not only that but when I bought a used tablet PC, I picked an Intel-based PC
over an AMD.

First rule of being a fanboy - don't ever acknowledge anyone or any post for leveling this claim at you. Ignore them.

Second rule of being a fanboy - don't ever create a post for the sole purpose of defending yourself against allegations of being a fanboy. Resist the urge.

Third rule of being a fanboy - Stop it :laugh:

Stick to the facts. Numbers. Use less questionable words to describe the ramifications of the numbers. Let the readers of your posts containing links and numbers draw their conclusions as to the ramifications of the numbers.

There is a difference between stating "Wow, some dude on XS got 3.7GHz on an X4, here's the link in case you were interested in it" versus "Wow, some dude on XS got 3.7GHz on an X4, AMD is so going to fuck the 8-threaded pureness from Intel's skull when this shizzle hits the egg, you read manizzle?".

One is a defensible statement just casually stating some numbers, the other goes a little over the top making conclusions as to the ramifications of the numbers...

Let the readers decide if Intel's skull is going to be hurting from the inside out, lead us to the water but don't force us to drink, we'll do that part once we are there if in fact we agree the water is fit for drinking and isn't going to give us the trots.

/attempts to be a kind soul