Question AMD or Intel for rebuild / new PC

[SuperdaveTX]

Hi Guys,

So. a brief history.. I'm a developer and have been building my PCs for a good 40 years. My current is from 2020 and no TPM.... and is slower than my work laptop.
I tired AMD CPUs once many, many years ago.. Didn't like it... but, I have read they are better than Intel now... but I still dont like AMD GPUs primarily due to drivers.. I tried AMD GPUs once or twice.. Drivers were always a PITA.

I had been looking at a Intel Core Ultra 7. Now wondering about an AMD Ryzen 9 9900X. Does AMD CPUs work well with Nvida GPUs? budget for CPU 300s.

I first had just rebuild... likely just going to keep my case, 1 SSD, and CD ( althought dont recall last time I used it.. )

So.. I'm here to get input... Intel or AMD? I do game more and more on my PC.

Input appreciated.
SuperDave

 

[Hitman928]

AMD CPUs work fine with NV GPUs, nothing to worry about there.

In general, AMD CPUs are clearly superior to Intel CPUs, though there are some edge cases where Intel does pretty well. What kind of development do you do?

 

[Markfw]

AMD, no question. the 9900x is a fine CPU. Is that choice based on number of cores ? Consider the 9950x3c or 9950x if price is OK. Unless you do not need the cores.

 

[SuperdaveTX]

AMD CPUs work fine with NV GPUs, nothing to worry about there.

In general, AMD CPUs are clearly superior to Intel CPUs, though there are some edge cases where Intel does pretty well. What kind of development do you do?

Hi Hitman,

Thanks for the reply. Glad to know I can stick with NV if I make the switch to AMD CPUs. I'm leaning in that direction.

Been working in Oil & Gas at the retail level for quite some time. Payment, Card Handling, Network Host, PCI-DSS, Vision, LPR, Data Models, Voice, etc.
Prior - War Games for DOD, and Space Shuttle Simulation (STA) @ NASA.
Mostly C# now.

 

[SuperdaveTX]

AMD, no question. the 9900x is a fine CPU. Is that choice based on number of cores ? Consider the 9950x3c or 9950x if price is OK. Unless you do not need the cores.

Well, I have never purchased the latest, best, fastest of any parts. To me, it has been on the higher end of best bang for the buck. I only checked the cost of the 9900X3D and if the cost was still the original MSRP or less, I would probably go with that..
but yes, the cores was also another reason.

Was currently looking at the 7800x3D Seems like a good option, but lower core count... Gotta think on that. I dont build from home much.

 

[Markfw]

Well, I have never purchased the latest, best, fastest of any parts. To me, it has been on the higher end of best bang for the buck. I only checked the cost of the 9900X3D and if the cost was still the original MSRP or less, I would probably go with that..
but yes, the cores was also another reason.

Was currently looking at the 7800x3D Seems like a good option, but lower core count... Gotta think on that. I dont build from home much.

005-x is below MSRP $544.74 at Amazon and newegg both. MSRP was $649, so its $105 under that.

 

[SuperdaveTX]

005-x is below MSRP $544.74 at Amazon and newegg both. MSRP was $649, so its $105 under that.

I must have missed that, I thought it started out around $4xx.xx

 

[Markfw]

I must have missed that, I thought it started out around $4xx.xx

The AMD Ryzen 9 9950X has a suggested retail price (MSRP) of $649.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• MSRP: $649
• Launch Date: August 15, 2024
• Architecture: Zen 5 (Granite Ridge)
• Cores/Threads: 16 cores / 32 threads
• Socket: AM5

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[SuperdaveTX]

Yeah... That is getting past my $300 target... I dont mind going to $400s.. I'm still too tight to buy something that will be 200 less in a year or so.

Thoughts on the 9900x ( $397 ) vs 7800x3d ($448)

Thanks for your time.. I will look for some reviews and comparisons.. You seem awfully fast though., so thought I would ask. ;-)

 

[Markfw]

Yeah... That is getting past my $300 target... I dont mind going to $400s.. I'm still too tight to buy something that will be 200 less in a year or so.

Thoughts on the 9900x ( $397 ) vs 7800x3d ($448)

Thanks for your time.. I will look for some reviews and comparisons.. You seem awfully fast though., so thought I would ask. ;-)

If you are a gamer, 7800x3d no doubt, But for apps the 12 cores and avx-512 of the 9900x will be killer.

 

[Markfw]

Also the 7950x came out in
Processor

Market:	Desktop
Production Status:	Active
Release Date:	Sep 27th, 2022
Launch Price:	$699
Part#:	100-000000514

And is still $469, so at a comparison the 9950x would be $100 less at 445 most likely, but its up to you.

 

[SuperdaveTX]

Yeah.. I am seeing that... So, I saw an review and it mentioned the 9 7950x3d at 525... that would be a nice price and a good option between the 2 mentioned before... and yet, I see current price in the 700s Maybe I am missing some of the detail... idk

Ha.. you beat me on your most recent post.. Thanks. See below.. why cost is a bit confusing!

 

[SuperdaveTX]

So see... My price target is just a guideline... that can be easily broken... but I still try.. lol

 

[Markfw]

Yeah.. I am seeing that... So, I saw an review and it mentioned the 9 7950x3d at 525... that would be a nice price and a good option between the 2 mentioned before... and yet, I see current price in the 700s Maybe I am missing some of the detail... idk

Ha.. you beat me on your most recent post.. Thanks. See below.. why cost is a bit confusing!

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With the 9950x at 544 there is no way you want to 7950x at 520.

So, as I said, if a gamer use the best x3d chip you can afford, otherwise the 9950x, unless you just can't spend the money, get the 9900x.

Its that easy. And the 9950x will not lose $200 in 2 years, maybe $100 at the most.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

7950X for $325 is the for sale forum - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-xl-analogue-super-nt.2625138/#post-41415701

 

[SuperdaveTX]

With the 9950x at 544 there is no way you want to 7950x at 520.

So, as I said, if a gamer use the best x3d chip you can afford, otherwise the 9950x, unless you just can't spend the money, get the 9900x.

Its that easy. And the 9950x will not lose $200 in 2 years, maybe $100 at the most.

I was really confused there for a good bit.

I posted that because of the price mentioned for the 7950X3D Only. No other reason. I cant find that price at Amazon or NewEgg... that was the point and just an example.
The whole time I have been considering the 7 9800x3d vs the 9 9900x but would love a 9900x3d but dont want to pay for it.
At the moment, i have a Ryzen 7 9800x3d in my part picker.

Also, I prefer to purchase new.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Now is not the time to buy PC parts. Everything out there is new right now. If you can wait up to 6 months, that would be best. Buy cheap and upgrade often is the way to play the PC game. AMD is the way to go right now. 9800x3D or any of the X3D chips is what you want if going with Zen 5.

 

[SuperdaveTX]

I try to not play that game really... but yeah.. I can wait, but I am also fine with cost so far.. but the video card situation sucks. I remember when RAM was super expensive.. Not any more.. Similar with SSDs.. not any more..
Now it is GPU and then CPU.. well, that is far as I have gotten.. still have to finish up the build, all the other parts seem to be ok. Will see.

 

[Markfw]

I try to not play that game really... but yeah.. I can wait, but I am also fine with cost so far.. but the video card situation sucks. I remember when RAM was super expensive.. Not any more.. Similar with SSDs.. not any more..
Now it is GPU and then CPU.. well, that is far as I have gotten.. still have to finish up the build, all the other parts seem to be ok. Will see.

This is kind of OT, because its about the GPU, but the 4070TI is probably the best bamg for the buck right now, to go with your CPU. And since you are getting a x3d model, it matters way less.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This is kind of OT, because its about the GPU, but the 4070TI is probably the best bamg for the buck right now, to go with your CPU. And since you are getting a x3d model, it matters way less.

You will need to back that up with a link. Everything I see is horrible overpriced. I would not pay over $500 for 12GB in 2025 personally.

 

[Markfw]

You will need to back that up with a link. Everything I see is horrible overpriced. I would not pay over $500 for 12GB in 2025 personally.

What I meant was, a 4080 is overpriced, but for close to a 4080 in performance, a 4070TI is much cheaper.

I would pay it, but thats up to the buyer, I don't want to spend too much time on this , since its about GPUs, not CPUs.

 

[Hitman928]

What I meant was, a 4080 is overpriced, but for close to a 4080 in performance, a 4070TI is much cheaper.

I would pay it, but thats up to the buyer, I don't want to spend too much time on this , since its about GPUs, not CPUs.

NV stopped making the 4000 series cards with the 5000 series launching so there's very little, if any, stock remaining for 4000 series cards and what is left is priced crazy high from resellers. Unfortunately, they also had an issue ramping the 5000 series cards so there isn't good supply for them either.

 

[Markfw]

NV stopped making the 4000 series cards with the 5000 series launching so there's very little, if any, stock remaining for 4000 series cards and what is left is priced crazy high from resellers. Unfortunately, they also had an issue ramping the 5000 series cards so there isn't good supply for them either.

Damn, I just looked. Forget buying a video card, unless its used.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Damn, I just looked. Forget buying a video card, unless its used.

As always happens when the new market goes derp, the used market follows. The only good deal on a decent card to be had is the RX 7800XT which can be found for close to MSRP with a free AAA game every few days. Everything else you need a scalper bot or you are SOOL. And it is not offtopic, OP is doing a build which makes it ancillary to the primary question but still relevant info that is useful.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hi Guys,

So. a brief history.. I'm a developer and have been building my PCs for a good 40 years.

Question: Are you into LLMs? They need more and more RAM, especially if you don't want to buy a $6000 GPU for them and want to leverage your CPU cores instead for the processing. I think even an entry level Threadripper or Epyc 9184X would serve you better. But then, that's what I lust for personally.

Just to give you an idea: to get usable code out of Deepseek R1, my RAM consumption went over 300 GB. So you can't do that sort of stuff on consumer hardware unfortunately