Amd K10 B3 stepping tanks.

[justly]

If the GPU or the frame rate cap brought both systems down to the same levels I would agree.

In the LostCircuit review that did not happen, the "faster" Intel system (with no cap) was reduced to lower performance than the "lower performing" Phenom indicating that some other information is being represented.

Since the benchmarks are an average if the Intel can achieve a higher max frame rate (without a cap) it will also have a higher average, by implementing a cap that advantage is taken away. So now we have moved the discussion to something totally different, that being what are the acceptable minimums and at what point do higher frame rates no longer matter. I do not care to engage in that discussion.

 

[pm]

Seeing how knowledgeable ATers acknowledging the quality of the lost circuit's review, I cannot discrecit it just because it differs from other website's views. True that they used different video cards, so the other two reviews you link to are surely more relavant though.

My comment was not about the gaming benchmarks - to be completely honest I didn't look at them at all. But I was impressed with the way the author took the time to explain complex topics in a fairly readable manner... and, as far as my knowledge on the subjects covered is concerned, very accurately. I also thought some of the comments and tests run at the end of the article were interesting. If some people think that there's weirdness in some of the benchmarks... I don't know. But, I can say that the author certainly writes like he knows his computer microarchitecture. One would hope he knows how to benchmark well as well.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: justly
If the GPU or the frame rate cap brought both systems down to the same levels I would agree.

In the LostCircuit review that did not happen, the "faster" Intel system (with no cap) was reduced to lower performance than the "lower performing" Phenom indicating that some other information is being represented.

Since the benchmarks are an average if the Intel can achieve a higher max frame rate (without a cap) it will also have a higher average, by implementing a cap that advantage is taken away. So now we have moved the discussion to something totally different, that being what are the acceptable minimums and at what point do higher frame rates no longer matter. I do not care to engage in that discussion.

So why exactly did the reviewer use caps in UT3. Because their is Something strange going on with a caps locked . I wouldn't put much faith in such . I think your reaching a bit for a sign from above. As for the reviewers creditablity. It is indeed in question. Use of non update video card so as to make comparisons to other reviews in games useless.

Its nice knowing how much power a cpu draws . The only power numbers I care about or for that matter any off use should care about is @ the wall socket.

If the reviewers intent was to stay non bias. He should have used only AMD released k10's because frankly I don't see the lower end Penryns tested. The reviewers methods are questionable at best. So now all of the sudden its like you guys are tring to say . In gaming if your GPU bound phenom will somehow have that little extra.

When all threw the web . Not one review matches these results. I am not the one reaching here. I am perfectly comfortable in the fact the Penryn >K10. If you check other reviews this isn't the only place this review is way off. When penryn is released in full glory . I will put up $500 dollars in a contest. You get the all out phenom. I will get Penryn . I will take on all comers of AMD processors. Of course ya know I will use a lowend penryn to remove that 4x idea. Than I will use a Wolf O/C to kick Phenom to the gutter. Any and all comers. We should be able to do this in March . I will wire AT the $$$$. My Penryns against any and all phenoms. IF Phenom wins 1/4 the benchies.Phenom wins the contest.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If you believe this reviewer was trying to Phenom and Penryn running at best performance your sadly mistaken .

Platforms

Phenom = Spider/ DDR1066 memory reviewer didn't write down timings used.


Penryn = P35 lol. What the reviewer couldn't get X38 x48 M/B nor could the reviewer use this generation of GPU's. If you would observe the Timings the reviewer used on the Penryn 9770 . DDR3@ 1600Mhz @ 8-8-8-20. Losy circuits advertize for OCz. He couldn't get OCz PC3-12800 Memory that runs @ 1600mhz @ 6-6-6-18 timings.

The reviewer is not creditable in this instance as is shown in his choice of GPU / Penryn M/B P35 and the memory used and timings.

To many things going on here that show a bias.

The OCZ PC3-12800 FlexXLC kit is the extremely fast DDR3 with the most unique and powerful cooling capabilities on the market. Intended for the extreme enthusiast looking for the absolute highest performance, the new Flex XLC delivers unprecedented speed, signal integrity, and thermal management.

The new PC3-12800 modules feature OCZ?s Flex XLC (Xtreme Liquid Convention) heatsink that delivers superior heat dissipation via a hybrid copper and aluminum design alterable between passive air or water cooling. This unique ?flexible? design gives enthusiasts the option to run the modules passively or water cooled via the integrated liquid injection system. The concurrent use of both technologies (water-cooling) promotes maximum heat dissipation, allowing the memory to operate at extreme speeds without the high temperatures that inhibit or damage the module?s ICs.

The optimal balance between the sheer speed of DDR3 and excellent latency, coupled with the award-winning Flex XLC technology, the PC3-12800 modules run at a blazing 1600MHz and have 6-6-6-18 timings sure to impress the most extreme gamers and enthusiasts.

 

[lopri]

What is wrong with Penryn and P35? P35 is a lot mature than X38/X48. X38/X48 is a mess at this stage. But yeah that review isn't very well written regardless.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Lopri P35 is a fine chipset . But X48 is available . With X48 reviewer wouldn't have had to O/C memory. Also with latest bios . X48 is looking very strong . When using DDR3 memory it polls away from the rest . Read ATs latest review on subject very nice performance increases over P35.