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I used a similar feature a lot in the year i expend playing with a 2200G as my main pc... where you would turn on "hardware gpu scaling" and wharever fullscreen game no matter the resolution, it would get upscaled to native monitor resolution.

I was a very usefull feature, the only problem is that i was forced to use fullscreen in games. This seems like an update of that tech.

It supports APUs? because this is very very usefull for apu gaming.
Iirc only those with RDNA cores, not older with Vega graphics.
 

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While I am really glad AMD is implementing this sort of thing at the driver level. I always really liked AMD's driver package when I had my HD7950, I didn't need as much 3rd party crap to do basic things like overclocking the way I do with NV software.

That being said, I'll say the same thing I say in every DLSS thread: This is the kind of software you use for the last 1-2 years of your GPU's life to wring out a bit more performance before an upgrade or if you're close to a generational turn-over.

It really shouldn't be something we come to rely on for contemporary games to work at a card's given performance level.
 

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While I am really glad AMD is implementing this sort of thing at the driver level. I always really liked AMD's driver package when I had my HD7950, I didn't need as much 3rd party crap to do basic things like overclocking the way I do with NV software.

That being said, I'll say the same thing I say in every DLSS thread: This is the kind of software you use for the last 1-2 years of your GPU's life to wring out a bit more performance before an upgrade or if you're close to a generational turn-over.

It really shouldn't be something we come to rely on for contemporary games to work at a card's given performance level.
Normally I would agree but there are instances we're it makes good sense. If you have a midrange card to drive a 1440p screen or have a 4k screen and prefer high fps over a little quality loss. In fast paced games you are less likely to see the difference. Also if it allows you to enable raytracing and still get playable framerates. And as long as the option is available, then we can all choose the settings we prefer. :)
 
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I am hoping this means we'll get "performance RT" settings for PS5 and SX that allow for "4K"/60fps/RT lighting as an option.

Right now you have to pick Pretty 30 FPS or Not as Pretty 60 FPS and I would probably be fine with some (more) upscaling to get closer to having my cake and eating it too.

Even if it is just a SX thing, it will likely drive adoption of the feature for devs who can't justify the investment for "real" optimization.

Bonus points for working on nvidia cards that are solid but don't support DLSS. Should help the 1660's that are still getting sold in volume live long lives.

Also, may this be the final nail in the "BUT DLSS" coffin. If its difference is marginal, then whatever. I am in the camp where I think native resolution is the best resolution, but get tired of every review having a giant asterisk about 3-5 years down the road you'd want nvidia for DLSS. Meh.
 

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Few observations on native vs quality
The sharpening in FSR 2.0 is quite apparent compared to native. Upside is that the details on some textures is more visible than native, downside is that its less effective on some textures creating a mishmash of sharp and blurry texture. On certain edges FSR 2.0 look like it has less aliasing.

Scene 1
It looks like FSR 2.0 intriduces some moire on the TV screens

Scene 2
Weird black spots on the castle walls but the wooden cable reel/table on the other hand looks better than native (the red texture on top of table/cable reel has artifacts on native not visible in FSR 2.0)
 
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While I am really glad AMD is implementing this sort of thing at the driver level. I always really liked AMD's driver package when I had my HD7950, I didn't need as much 3rd party crap to do basic things like overclocking the way I do with NV software.

That being said, I'll say the same thing I say in every DLSS thread: This is the kind of software you use for the last 1-2 years of your GPU's life to wring out a bit more performance before an upgrade or if you're close to a generational turn-over.

It really shouldn't be something we come to rely on for contemporary games to work at a card's given performance level.
I don't agree. For starters, this isn't just tacked on. People made the same arguments when the more efficient versions of AA were being developed. And then that stuff started being integrated into the games/engines. Granted I still see people complaining about that when overall graphics have actually improved. And by far, still (always has been and always will), the biggest issue with regards to visuals is art direction. I wish there was much more focus on that instead of nitpicking slightly jagged rendering of an electric power line when you zoom in 4x+ on a static image.

I'd argue that its not just that it is being integrated more, but that its becoming essential for games to do what they can to cheat to offer comparable visuals at high resolutions and framerates. Pushing hybrid ray tracing, and if we're going to try to make the move to AR/VR we're going to need both higher resolutions and higher framerates.
 

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I just got through the FSR2.0 presentation... I don't have a background in computer science so a lot of it flies over my head, but it appears that the upscaling algorithm used in FSR2.0 is again Lanczos, which was used in FSR1.0. The difference this time being that FSR2.0 gives the algorithm more samples to work with since it is a temporal upscaler. Each sample is assigned a weight, where samples closest to the center of the pixel and those closest to the current frame in time are weighted more, and the final output is the sum of each sample multiplied by its respective weight. As I understand it, DLSS does away with Lanczos and the the weights are determined using a neural network, which has been trained on 16K images beforehand. Looks like AMD also implemented some case-specific optimizations to mitigate typical temporal upscaler issues, such as ghosting and inability to render thin lines.

Perhaps someone with a background more suitable than mine can also weigh in?
 
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I don't agree. For starters, this isn't just tacked on. People made the same arguments when the more efficient versions of AA were being developed. And then that stuff started being integrated into the games/engines. Granted I still see people complaining about that when overall graphics have actually improved. And by far, still (always has been and always will), the biggest issue with regards to visuals is art direction. I wish there was much more focus on that instead of nitpicking slightly jagged rendering of an electric power line when you zoom in 4x+ on a static image.

I'd argue that its not just that it is being integrated more, but that its becoming essential for games to do what they can to cheat to offer comparable visuals at high resolutions and framerates. Pushing hybrid ray tracing, and if we're going to try to make the move to AR/VR we're going to need both higher resolutions and higher framerates.
- My big worry with upscaling tech is that devs will use it as a get out of jail free card in terms of performance tuning and what-have-you. Why waste development hours being smart in your level design and programing and everything else when instead you can just release a game that runs like dog**** and tell everyone to use DLSS or FSR to get acceptable framerates?

If anything, a pretty common complaint nowadays is that games don't really look *that much better* for substantially worse performance than games that came out just a few years ago.

I think its a weird race to the bottom between devs being lazy in their optimization and the chipmakers providing the crutches to ensure people get 60FPS out of their $2000 cards.
 

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- My big worry with upscaling tech is that devs will use it as a get out of jail free card in terms of performance tuning and what-have-you. Why waste development hours being smart in your level design and programing and everything else when instead you can just release a game that runs like dog**** and tell everyone to use DLSS or FSR to get acceptable framerates?

If anything, a pretty common complaint nowadays is that games don't really look *that much better* for substantially worse performance than games that came out just a few years ago.

I think its a weird race to the bottom between devs being lazy in their optimization and the chipmakers providing the crutches to ensure people get 60FPS out of their $2000 cards.
But of course this is what will happen - to varying degrees.

It costs time (money/expertise) to optimize more. It's way more profitable to push high end settings to us and our hardware for most of these companies.

It will come down the chops and the willingness of the developer to invest in optimization of their title, and this is likely to vary quite a bit.

This is just another tool in the toolkit in the push for HFR 4K w/RT.
 

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Deathloop confirmed to be the first title with FSR 2.0 available in 2 days time (May 12th).


Not long before we get some comparisons then. Reviewers may already even have access tbh.
Better IQ is always nice. But for me, the fact you don't have to shell out for an RTX card to use it, made it a winner from the get go. Comparing it to DLSS has always been FUD for that reason. "Hey guyz! Let's compare a hardware agnostic solution to one that's proprietary and only works on RTX cards, that's legit right?" :p
 

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According to Videocardz, the following games are first to get FSR2.0:
DEATHLOOP
Asterigos, Delysium
EVE Online
Farming Simulator 22
Forspoken
Grounded
Microsoft Flight Simulator
NiShuiHan
Perfect World Remake
Swordsman Remake
Unknown 9: Awakening

Of course, more games will support FSR2.0 moving forward. It's already baked into Microsoft's tools for Xbox game development, so that should help it gain traction when those games get PC versions.
 

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Microsoft Flight Simulator is one of the biggest deal titles on there. Doing that title in VR is a big load, it devours anything available now. On the MSFS forums people are absolutely purpose building rigs for it.

I know they are doing a lot with that game/sim, working on a DX12 renderer, etc. More improvements to the game to scale better is going to ultimately be healthy for MSFS's ecosystem and for the people attempting to run it.
 

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Deathloop confirmed to be the first title with FSR 2.0 available in 2 days time (May 12th).


Not long before we get some comparisons then. Reviewers may already even have access tbh.
So does this mean we also get the driver that has this in 2 days time or has amd posted an official launch date for FSR 2.0?
 

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So does this mean we also get the driver that has this in 2 days time or has amd posted an official launch date for FSR 2.0?
It's not in the driver, but in the game itself. Just like FSR 1 is in the game itself.

That also means that Nvidia owners can use it without requiring Nvidia to put anything in their drivers.
 

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I had to chuckle at farming simulator having it. But being a lot of their market most likely doesn't have high end machines, it makes sense.
 

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Looks like TPU got their hands on an early preview??

AMD has achieved the unthinkable—the new FidelityFX Super Resolution FSR 2.0 looks amazing, just as good as DLSS 2.0, actually DLSS 2.3 (in Deathloop). Sometimes even slightly better, sometimes slightly worse, but overall this is a huge win for AMD. Take a look at our comparison images—there's a huge improvement when comparing FSR 1.0 to FSR 2.0. The comparison to "Native" or "Native+TAA" also always looks worse than FSR 2.0, which is somewhat expected. When comparing "DLSS Quality" against "FSR 2.0 Quality" it is possible to spot minor differences, but for every case that I found I'd say it's impossible to declare one output better than the other, it's pretty much just personal preference, or not even that.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-fidelity-fx-fsr-20/3.html
 

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Wainting to see if they put this on Cyberpunk so I can play with RT on my 6800XT. Other games that I play here (moded Skyrim, Dark Souls 3 and smaller rpgs) already runs well on native 4K.
 
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If this works like the review purports, it's a win for everyone. Developers can target one implementation, tons of nvidia cards are supported and obviously AMD gets a big feather in their cap for showing that they could pull it off and for having "feature parity" with DLSS, which so many outlets absolutely obsess over. Gamers can tick a box and most won't be able to tell the difference in IQ most of the time but they'll notice framerates up over 60FPS.

Also, guaranteed support on a huge breadth of titles because of the way it can help extend the console lifecycle and let more developers release "60 FPS/4K/RT" games.
 

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