AMD FX-57 likely to arrive in two weeks

[clarkey01]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23799

WHEN THE Green Goblin from Santa Clara launched its succesfull nForce4 chipset, it had an ultimate companion: Green Arrow from Sunnyvale launched Athlon 64 4000+ on the very same day.
During Computex in Taiwan, one nice country which does not like nice Bosnians, we learned that the Green Goblin will get another boost from Green Arrow: highly-expected FX-57 CPU is supposed to make an appearance in third week of June, at the same time with unveiling of upcoming nV's latest baby, G70 - its rumoured, but as yet unconfirmed name is the GeForce 7800.

What we expect is that the CPU won't boost the score too much in 3DMark05, which is a pretty GPU-bound benchmark, but a plethora of other games with more CPU intensive code will certanly add to the results of G70 reference boards compared to the competition.

The CPU itself is a logical step for AMD: the Venice core proved to be a really good product in terms of yields and clocking capabilities, so seeing AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 running at a cool 2.81GHz wasn't such a suprise. The only thing that still bothers me was the fact that the CPU-Z read FSB clock at 247 MHz on a reference ATi Xpress 200 motherboard, but that's an obvious misread - I used v1.28, since the BIOS was showing 200 MHz HT link speed with x5 ratio.

Athlon 64 FX-57 will naturally phase out the sturdy Hammer FX-55, with whom AMD is saying good bye to 130nm technology, and having 90 nanometre process across the whole range, from Sempr0ns to dually-core Opterons.

Everything should be revealed in the next couple of weeks, so stay tuned. µ

 

[imported_DaveA]

so FX57 clock speed is 2.8ghz?

 

[RichUK]

im going to have a lot of money saved up towards the end of month (my yearly bonus COMON!!) but i just cant decide, i have been leaning towards the 4800+ on water or maybe the FX57, the thing is te FX57 is 2.8 out of the box, and on water i intend to reach over 3.2 Ghz and above .. (this is if the FX57 does come out this month), but with the 4800+ i could possibily reach 3.0 Ghz on water and that would 6Ghz worth of processing power.. what to do what to do hmmmm ...


any input guys?

 

[RichUK]

and another thing why does the Inquirer always stick a µ after they have finished their news artical

 

[Vegitto]

Definately get the 4800+ if you can. For God's sake, RichUK, you sound like a know-nothing gamer 😛.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: DaveA
so FX57 clock speed is 2.8ghz?

Correct.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Definately get the 4800+ if you can. For God's sake, RichUK, you sound like a know-nothing gamer 😛.

yeah but the raw speed from the high yeilds off of the FX57 is just soooo tempting .. but i have had my eyes set on the 4400+/4800+ (more so the 4800+), for some time now .. and i think i need something revolutionary in my rig, so i think ill stick with the dualy 🙂

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Definately get the 4800+ if you can. For God's sake, RichUK, you sound like a know-nothing gamer 😛.

yeah but the raw speed from the high yeilds off of the FX57 is just soooo tempting .. but i have had my eyes set on the 4400+/4800+ (more so the 4800+), for some time now .. and i think i need something revolutionary in my rig, so i think ill stick with the dualy 🙂

That 2.8 will hit 3.2 For sure. Give the yeilds even more time and you'll see 3.4 on by the end of the year. Im guessing by the way.

 

[Aries64]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23799

WHEN THE Green Goblin from Santa Clara launched its succesfull nForce4 chipset, it had an ultimate companion: Green Arrow from Sunnyvale launched Athlon 64 4000+ on the very same day.
During Computex in Taiwan, one nice country which does not like nice Bosnians, we learned that the Green Goblin will get another boost from Green Arrow: highly-expected FX-57 CPU is supposed to make an appearance in third week of June, at the same time with unveiling of upcoming nV's latest baby, G70 - its rumoured, but as yet unconfirmed name is the GeForce 7800.

What we expect is that the CPU won't boost the score too much in 3DMark05, which is a pretty GPU-bound benchmark, but a plethora of other games with more CPU intensive code will certanly add to the results of G70 reference boards compared to the competition.

The CPU itself is a logical step for AMD: the Venice core proved to be a really good product in terms of yields and clocking capabilities, so seeing AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 running at a cool 2.81GHz wasn't such a suprise. The only thing that still bothers me was the fact that the CPU-Z read FSB clock at 247 MHz on a reference ATi Xpress 200 motherboard, but that's an obvious misread - I used v1.28, since the BIOS was showing 200 MHz HT link speed with x5 ratio.

Athlon 64 FX-57 will naturally phase out the sturdy Hammer FX-55, with whom AMD is saying good bye to 130nm technology, and having 90 nanometre process across the whole range, from Sempr0ns to dually-core Opterons.

Everything should be revealed in the next couple of weeks, so stay tuned. µ

The next two weeks should indeed answer the FX-57 question. I just got off the phone with a tech line guy at AMD who stated that he had just got "out of a meeting" about the FX-57 launch. When I asked about the FX-57 launch the guy said that "the FX-57 will launch in Q3, and that the FX-55 will continue through the Q4".

So, if its' true that AMD won't launch the FX-57 for another 3+ months, they will have the opportunity to milk sales of the 90nm FX-55 (San Diego) whilst tweaking the FX-57 chip. Smart of AMD, since they're moving to 90nm anyway and have a high-yield high end gaming chip in the FX-55 SD which always pwns Intel's fastest. No need to push out their next high end chip until Intel releases something that can actually compete with the FX-55.

Although, a post over at ExtremeSystems.org did have CPU-Z screenies of what I believe is a true pre-production FX-57. CPU-Z read the process as .13, but I think that was a fluke. It reads the CPU as an FX-57. Plus it shows it supports SSE3. If you haven't seen the post heres a link to it:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64370

I want to wait for the FX-57 but that FX-55 SD is interesting...

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: RichUK
im going to have a lot of money saved up towards the end of month (my yearly bonus COMON!!) but i just cant decide, i have been leaning towards the 4800+ on water or maybe the FX57, the thing is te FX57 is 2.8 out of the box, and on water i intend to reach over 3.2 Ghz and above .. (this is if the FX57 does come out this month), but with the 4800+ i could possibily reach 3.0 Ghz on water and that would 6Ghz worth of processing power.. what to do what to do hmmmm ...


any input guys?

Bahhhh, Rich stick with the X2..

I would prefer an X2 @ 2.5-2.7 Vs. the FX-57 @ 3ghz +

And I'm a gamer and would benfit from the faster overall speed..But X2's are just TOO hard to pass up..

 

[TankGuys]

I don't blame them if they hold off the release of the 57. With the FX-55 poised where it is in the market, there is no reason to release another heavy-hitter until they either need a market boost again, or Intel releases a chip that displaces the 55.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: RichUK
im going to have a lot of money saved up towards the end of month (my yearly bonus COMON!!) but i just cant decide, i have been leaning towards the 4800+ on water or maybe the FX57, the thing is te FX57 is 2.8 out of the box, and on water i intend to reach over 3.2 Ghz and above .. (this is if the FX57 does come out this month), but with the 4800+ i could possibily reach 3.0 Ghz on water and that would 6Ghz worth of processing power.. what to do what to do hmmmm ...


any input guys?

Bahhhh, Rich stick with the X2..

I would prefer an X2 @ 2.5-2.7 Vs. the FX-57 @ 3ghz +

And I'm a gamer and would benfit from the faster overall speed..But X2's are just TOO hard to pass up..

thats the thing hmm .. i think that i will have to do some implus buying just get which one i like on the day .. lol .. 😛 .. ive come to the conclusion that i am not a hardcore gamer .. and find myself doing loads of stuff in the background (DVD decypter for one) .. so i think i will end up with my orginal choice of the X2's .. its just the Ghz started to draw me in ..kind of like what people were like with the intels .. turning to the darkside haha ..


bjc112: Question your RAM and mobo are the same as mine .. just out of interest what mem timings are you getting at those speeds and at say 250Mhz ??

thanks

 

[bjc112]

@ 260mhz I run 3-3-3-7 1T

Really wanted cas 2.5 but it's not happening, even with 2T

I have slowed down to 2.5 /4/4/8 2T with no luck..

My SuperPI time kicks as right now, so I am happy with my current settings..

Pretty good speeds for PC 3200..

🙂

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: bjc112
@ 260mhz I run 3-3-3-7 1T

Really wanted cas 2.5 but it's not happening, even with 2T

I have slowed down to 2.5 /4/4/8 2T with no luck..

My SuperPI time kicks as right now, so I am happy with my current settings..

Pretty good speeds for PC 3200..

🙂

IN BOLD: yeah when i tested via mem test that is what i got but, at 250 i could get 2.5 😀 .. p!ssed i can't use it tho..


yeah the mem contollers on my AMD are crap, as you can see by the crappy timings i am forced to use in my sig, i had to sacrafice the mem timings for the 2.53Ghz top end sham really.

Do you think that with the mem controllers on the X2 i have got a good chance at running the better timings that the RAM is capable of .. i dearly hope so ..

thanks

 

[bjc112]

I sure hope so..

It seems the memory controllers did get better with the Venice chips.. HOpefully the improved a bit on the X2's..

Considering thr 4400+ / 4800+ are San Diego cores, I thinkyou should be good to go..




I was reading up in that xtremesys thread and I must say and FX-57 @ 2.8ghz (1.375v) is very VERY tempting..

Seems VERY possible to me 3.2 or even 3.4 is likely on 1.55v

THat woudl be awesome.

 

[theMan]

why not just get an x2 4400 and clock it up to above 2.8. then you will have 2 fx57's . X2 is definately the way to go.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: theman
why not just get an x2 4400 and clock it up to above 2.8. then you will have 2 fx57's . X2 is definately the way to go.

2.8 is possible.. But considering how new X2's will be, it might not a guaranteed shot @ 2.8ghz


I was just talking about an FX @ 3.4 would be VERY tempting.. I do agree the X2's are the way to go though.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: bjc112
I sure hope so..

It seems the memory controllers did get better with the Venice chips.. HOpefully the improved a bit on the X2's..

Considering thr 4400+ / 4800+ are San Diego cores, I thinkyou should be good to go..




I was reading up in that xtremesys thread and I must say and FX-57 @ 2.8ghz (1.375v) is very VERY tempting..

Seems VERY possible to me 3.2 or even 3.4 is likely on 1.55v

THat woudl be awesome.

see thats what i am talking about .. OC the 4800+ to 2.8 an get two FX57's if you are very lucky, or OC the FX57 and have a 3.2 or higher maybe 3.4 on water, 2.8 with 1.35V thats some nice head room .. o man i need to take this off my mind and get some sleep .. i wonder which one i dream about the most tonight 😛 ..haha

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Didn't AMD state themselves that the FX line would be faster at games at first than the dual core line. Since many games cant use HT (Hyperthreading) let alone Dual Core? Therefore if doing games, wouldn't the new FX-57 be a smarter decision? Of course, if doing things like video editing, the X2 should do a wonderful job. Personally I can't wait for either. Too bad I dont have the money for any more than my Dell and my 2.8 P4 rig.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: theman
why not just get an x2 4400 and clock it up to above 2.8. then you will have 2 fx57's . X2 is definately the way to go.

2.8 is possible.. But considering how new X2's will be, it might not a guaranteed shot @ 2.8ghz


I was just talking about an FX @ 3.4 would be VERY tempting.. I do agree the X2's are the way to go though.

Huh? My thought of it was that the X2 would use 2 1.4Ghz cores to create 2.8Ghz? Otherwise wouldn't it be considered 5.6 effective Ghz and a mdel number WAY above 4800+? Anyways, just my theory, I could be wrong

 

[hippotautamus]

Of course the FX line is faster at gaming, that's what the FX line is for (well, actually, it's for taking money from people with more cash than brains...or just a LOT of cash)

X2 overclocked to 3.0ghz+ on water=wishful thinking, maybe...godly computerness, maybe...

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Didn't AMD state themselves that the FX line would be faster at games at first than the dual core line. Since many games cant use HT (Hyperthreading) let alone Dual Core? Therefore if doing games, wouldn't the new FX-57 be a smarter decision? Of course, if doing things like video editing, the X2 should do a wonderful job. Personally I can't wait for either. Too bad I dont have the money for any more than my Dell and my 2.8 P4 rig.

You will get more frames with the FX-57 now than with the X2, as long as the application is single threaded. If you can o/c the X2 to 2.6-2.8Ghz I doubt that many games in the next year or so will be limited by this compaired to a 3.2Ghz FX, but if games based on the UT2K7 engine will be multithreaded then the X2 would probably kill the FX (just a theory).

If I was going to use that kind of money I would go X2, if I was going single core I would get cheap venice and o/c it.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: theman
why not just get an x2 4400 and clock it up to above 2.8. then you will have 2 fx57's . X2 is definately the way to go.

2.8 is possible.. But considering how new X2's will be, it might not a guaranteed shot @ 2.8ghz


I was just talking about an FX @ 3.4 would be VERY tempting.. I do agree the X2's are the way to go though.

Huh? My thought of it was that the X2 would use 2 1.4Ghz cores to create 2.8Ghz? Otherwise wouldn't it be considered 5.6 effective Ghz and a mdel number WAY above 4800+? Anyways, just my theory, I could be wrong

lol, you're very new in this aren't you? 😉

 

[RampantAndroid]

Yeah, with dual cores, each core is virtually a second proc. The only thing is that unlike a dual proc system, which has two system memory banks (one for each proc) the dual cores will share the on-die memory controller, so you don't have to buy twice as much RAM.

clock speed wise, the two procs are each clocked at 2.4 GHz...(silly question: can you overclock one of the cores and not the other, or are they always synced) I suppose the answer is if you OC by the FSB, they are always in sync....if you fiddle with the mutipliers, then? Prob a stupid question, I just thought it up now and didn't think it through.

Also, dualies from AMD can be used in any 939 board....even my nForce3 Ultra can take it, unlike intel (do the engineers at intel have brains? who wants to buy a new proc AND a new mobo?!)

And biostud....instead of just telling someone they are new and wrong, maybe tell them why they are wrong....we are here to discuss technology, and either give others, or gain from others a better understanding of the topic at hand.

 

[hop1hop2]

A dual-cores speed is not measured by their combined clock speed, the speed they have is what they got. You don't go "well, its 2.4ghz dual-core so that means its must be 4.8ghz all together" no, they both run at the exact same speeds. You do not combine the ghz together if you have a 2.4ghz dual-core you have two 2.4ghz core's in one cpu.