AMD FX 4350 or 6300 for Gaming?

[john5220]

If you were building a PC and only choice locally was AMD which would you choose between the 2?

For Gaming purposes and future gaming?

Does games even use 6 cores?

I see the FX 4350 comes with a pretty copper pipe cooler from AMD and 4.2ghz high clock hmmm

So I have another question lets say games don't really use more than 4 cores why then does Battlefield 4 say you should use a FX 6300 AMD? why not say FX 4300?

 

[AtenRa]

Get the FX8310 or FX8320E, if you cant then settle for the FX6300 but try OC to 4GHz at least.

Games do use more than 4 threads today and DX-12 games will use even more than 8.

 

[john5220]

Get the FX8310 or FX8320E, if you cant then settle for the FX6300 but try OC to 4GHz at least.

Games do use more than 4 threads today and DX-12 games will use even more than 8.

Hi I can get the FX8320E

But when I think about that, and then I think about intel, an i3 or pentium G3258 I wonder if the AMD even makes sense especially with AMD abandoning the FX line.

But the thing is if I do buy the 8320 now and later down the line games use 8 cores etc. Then it means it will pay off yeah? it will hardly matter as the mainboard might blow before the chip becomes outdated?

But sir are you sure games will use 8 cores anytime soon? I am into stuff like Battlefront, battlefield 5 upcoming, fighting games like Killer Instinct and Street Fighter 5 etc

I may have to get access to a credit card to go intel but I won't go i5 if I am going intel with the budget I am working with I will go G3258 pentium.

Do you think by next year a 8 core AMD will be able to match a i3 intel in gaming?
Also how is the 8320E different from a 8350 could I just over clock it and return it to the proper high speed?

is the stock cooler good to getting it up to 4 GHZ?

 

[AtenRa]

Hi I can get the FX8320E

But when I think about that, and then I think about intel, an i3 or pentium G3258 I wonder if the AMD even makes sense especially with AMD abandoning the FX line.

But the thing is if I do buy the 8320 now and later down the line games use 8 cores etc. Then it means it will pay off yeah? it will hardly matter as the mainboard might blow before the chip becomes outdated?

But sir are you sure games will use 8 cores anytime soon? I am into stuff like Battlefront, battlefield 5 upcoming, fighting games like Killer Instinct and Street Fighter 5 etc

I may have to get access to a credit card to go intel but I won't go i5 if I am going intel with the budget I am working with I will go G3258 pentium.

Do you think by next year a 8 core AMD will be able to match a i3 intel in gaming?
Also how is the 8320E different from a 8350 could I just over clock it and return it to the proper high speed?

is the stock cooler good to getting it up to 4 GHZ?

I wouldn't go to Pentium or even Core i3 in 2015, also there are already games that are faster with a 8-core FX than Core i3. In DX-12 Games the 8-Core FX CPU will always be faster than Core i3 from what we know.
BF4 runs better with a 8-Core FX and Mantle than Core i3, you get more smooth/constant frame rates.

A few examples of latest DX-11 games. You should be warned that there are current games that run faster with Core i3 though.

 

[Abwx]

I see the FX 4350 comes with a pretty copper pipe cooler from AMD and 4.2ghz high clock hmmm

That s because it is rated 125W, even if it s not in practice (not even under prime 95), SKUs that are rated 95W wont benefit from the same cooling.

Also contrary to the FX4300 it has a full 8MB L3 cache, but as pointed by Atenra a FX8320E is a much better choice at nearby price, despite its cooling apparatus being 95W...

 

[Yuriman]

FX8320E for sure. In most games out today an i3 is faster, but I expect it will be an acceptable gaming chip for the forseable future. I'd take it over a Pentium for sure.

 

[richierich1212]

Don't get the G3258 if you're interested in playing 2015 AAA game titles.

 

[john5220]

FX8320E for sure. In most games out today an i3 is faster, but I expect it will be an acceptable gaming chip for the forseable future. I'd take it over a Pentium for sure.

But I am afraid of the 8320E since these benchmark are with the 8350

What if the 8320E is some sort of crippled CPU? some sort of downclocked 8350? performing at 8100 speed?

I was contemplating a used mainboard with i5 2400 or modern haswell i3 or pentium G for "future gaming 2016 and beyond" but seeing these benchmarks seems like AMD has finally caught up

seems like AMD is finally better value for money than intel

 

[frozentundra123456]

Didnt we just go through this in another thread?

 

[john5220]

Didnt we just go through this in another thread?

not the whole 8320E vs 8350 thing

 

[TeknoBug]

Don't even consider the FX 4350.

 

[Yuriman]

The FX-8320E is actually a better-binned CPU than the normal 8320/8350. It will either run at a higher overclock with the same voltage, or a lower voltage at the same clocks. The reason it benches lower is that it is limited by a 95w TDP at stock, while the 8320 and 8350 are 125w. If you're not overclocking and the higher TDP is not an issue, an 8350 or normal 8320 might be a better buy, but for an enthusiast, the "E" chips are a superior choice.

 

[Abwx]

The reason it benches lower is that it is limited by a 95w TDP at stock, while the 8320 and 8350 are 125w.

Actualy it s limited by frequency settings as real TDP is barely 80W at stock under Prime 95, and 65W in regular MT loading like Cinebench.

The 8370E has 2.5% frequency advantage over the 8320E, or as much better perf/watt at same frequency, so the latter is still a well binned SKU.

 

[john5220]

So Yuri if I buy the 8320E can I OC it to 4GHZ? and it will be abetter bet than a 8350 running at 4ghz 125W? as the 8320E can do 4GHZ at 95W TDP?

does the stock cooler for the 8320E capable of doing 4GHZ? its the same copper pipe cooler from the 8350?

 

[escrow4]

Zero reason to buy AMD in 2015 new. Its not 2009. How can the only option be AMD? A local bricks PC store wouldn't survive selling only AMD. They'd be bankrupt by the end of the month.

 

[john5220]

Zero reason to buy AMD in 2015 new. Its not 2009. How can the only option be AMD? A local bricks PC store wouldn't survive selling only AMD. They'd be bankrupt by the end of the month.

I am curious as to why?

seeing that FX 8 core can match an i5 4690K at half the price, in games that are finally taking advantage of 8 cores.

End of the day performance matters and idle the power consumption isn't bad either.

 

[VirtualLarry]

seeing that FX 8 core can match an i5 4690K at half the price, in games that are finally taking advantage of 8 cores.

Did I miss a benchmark graph somewhere?

 

[Yuriman]

So Yuri if I buy the 8320E can I OC it to 4GHZ? and it will be abetter bet than a 8350 running at 4ghz 125W? as the 8320E can do 4GHZ at 95W TDP?

does the stock cooler for the 8320E capable of doing 4GHZ? its the same copper pipe cooler from the 8350?

You'll almost certainly get a 4ghz OC out of any FX chip you buy. An 8320E will likely be able to achieve those clocks while drawing a little less power and producing a bit less heat. Remember though, that overclocked, you're drawing more power and generating more heat than at stock. A 95w CPU is not still 95w when overclocked.

I'm not sure what heatsink it comes with.

I am curious as to why?

seeing that FX 8 core can match an i5 4690K at half the price, in games that are finally taking advantage of 8 cores.

End of the day performance matters and idle the power consumption isn't bad either.

FX-8 is a match for an i5 in some things, and not in others. It's a reasonable gaming CPU though. I'd consider it to be somewhere between an i3 and an i5 (on average) if you overclock, and probably about even in terms of value with an i3 if you plan to leave it stock.

You can expect slightly higher idle power consumption than an equivalent Intel system, but yeah, it's not bad at all. AMD did a fine job getting idle power under control.

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That said, if building today and with a very strict budget that doesn't allow for a proper Intel quad, I'd personally still opt for an i3. Mostly this is because there aren't many (any?) decent AM3+ ITX boards, and the extra heat would be a nightmare in a small form factor case.

 

[john5220]

Thanks yuri I have been doing some thinking ok, and I found another brick and mortar store selling i3 4150 for about the same price as in the US add a $15 US extra offcourse.

http://thewizzcomputers.com/?wpdmact=process&did=Mi5ob3RsaW5r

^ thats their pricelist. Basically here sells intel and I can get the i3 4150 for about the same price as the 8230E from another store.

Now some of the important games that will run on this system is indeed DayZ which is very Anti AMD Game. And gets a huge performance increase with Intel.

And with the intel haswell system there is always an upgrade Path. So I am thinking maybe go with the i3 for now and in years to come when it needs an upgrade switch to a i7?

let me know what you think about that plan I would much more prefer this option. Plus the added bonus of no pins on the intel CPU make it such a better option to decreased risk of breaking or bending pins.

I have very little interest in over clocking I prefer not to as a matter of fact I want little heat very little heat. Caribbean is hot as it is already.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Zero reason to buy AMD in 2015 new. Its not 2009. How can the only option be AMD? A local bricks PC store wouldn't survive selling only AMD. They'd be bankrupt by the end of the month.

There is plenty of reasons under the $150 price point. It is a much better investment to buy a quad or or better AMD versus the various dual core Intels. Obviously, once you are at the i5 price point -- Intel is the way to go. But if you can't afford an i5, I'd rather run a FX-6300 / 8320e for gaming.

 

[Yuriman]

Given that you won't be overclocking the FX, I feel you could go either way. I'd personally go with the i3, especially if you play a lot of games that favor Intel, but be aware that there will also be games where the FX will win by a good margin. If you do more productivity stuff (e.g. rendering, editing, encoding), the FX would get my nod.

 

[john5220]

yeah the FX 8320E comes with the cheapo budget cooler. Not the fancy copper pipe ones from the 8350 so I am pretty sure unless I also get a new cooler there won't be any overclocking on this chip with that cooler its gonna keep running at 3.2ghz I will also bet the i3 will produce less heat? much less?

Now I don't play games like witcher 3 etc. The only games I think I would play that favors multi core is Battlefront and upcoming Battlefield 5. Both of which I think should run fine on both chips me thinks.

Ooh btw what do you think of a quad core AMD 760K vs a i3 4150?

 

[frozentundra123456]

I am curious as to why?

seeing that FX 8 core can match an i5 4690K at half the price, in games that are finally taking advantage of 8 cores.

End of the day performance matters and idle the power consumption isn't bad either.

I am with Larry. Where are those benchmarks? There may be a couple of games where an 8350 can match a *stock* 4690k. But in the vast majority of games a *stock* 4690k is as fast or faster that the 9590, and the 4690k still has probably an easy ten or 15 percent overclocking headroom left.

8350 vs 4690k is a no brainer in favor of intel. 8350 vs an i3 is a toss up, depending on what game/apps you use. As far a FX being "half the price" perhaps if you get a good deal or buy a lower end FX and assume you can overclock to 8350 levels. But the difference is still only about 10 percent of the cost of a decent gaming system, and part of that will be eaten up in higher energy usage.

As to the original question, 6300 or 6350 without a doubt over the 4350.

 

[Yuriman]

The 760K is basically an FX-4300 in a different socket. Socket FM2 is arguably better than AM3+, but I wouldn't call a 760K a proper i3 competitor.

 

[john5220]

^ benchmarks are on this same page its the 4670K I meant. Matching the 8350 fx in witcher 3 etc

So the choice of FX 4350 vs 6300 is settled. But now we are onto choice between i3 4150 and FX 8320E both are close in price. hmmmmm

And the option of upgrading to a i7 in future as an upgrade path. hmmmmmm