AMD Duron or Intel Celeron?

[ShynnSw33tx]

Which is better AMD Durin or Intel Celeron? I don't really know which to choose in a laptop

 

[MilkPowderR]

Duron, by far better(faster)

 

[Theslowone]

Another vote for the duron, better by far.

 

[oldfart]

<< which to choose in a laptop >>


The Celeron will use less power, produce less heat. Two very important Laptop featues.

 

[Daovonnaex]

Do you need performance or battery life?

 

[AGodspeed]

In laptop situations, usually battery life and weight are very important. If you already know what weight your laptop is going to be, and are having trouble choosing between the Celeron or Duron, you need to take into account 2 factors:

1. Battery life.
2. Types of apps being run.

If you get the Mobile Duron (Morgan core, PowerNow technology) your battery life will be inferior to that of the Mobile Celerons (Tualatin core, SpeedStep technology). Even though AMD's PowerNow technology is superior to Intel's SpeedStep technology, mobile Celerons in general have significantly better battery life than the Mobile Durons due to the silicon process that is implemented (the Celeron has a small .13 micron process compared to the Duron's larger and hotter running .18 micron process).

If you get the Mobile Celeron your performance will be inferior to that of the Mobile Duron. For example, in most types of video games and most scientific and integer related apps, the Mobile Duron will perform better. This is mainly due to the differences in architecture between the Duron and the Celeron.

So, if battery life is the most important thing for you, go with the Mobile Celeron. If performance is most important for you, go with the Mobile Duron.

IMO, I'd go with IBM or Dell for your laptop. They don't sell any mobile Durons or Athlons, but they have a great selection of Pentium III and Celeron powered laptops. For good, solid laptops using Mobile Durons or Athlons, go with Compaq. HP is also very good as well.

 

[BobSnob]

I have a HP laptop with a 900 Duron. Loads of power. Battery life is 1.5 hours average with the stock Li-Ion. Not overly warm.

 

[hans007]

first off i think the celeron wins in performance and in battery life. 1. the celeron is 133bus now on laptops. 2. it has 256k cache now , since the p3s have 512k.


so basically the new celerons are p3's tualatins. so they are faster than coppermine p3s. coppermine p3s being about as fast as durons this is a wash.


also the durons make more heat, because AMDs design make more heat in general. even when the celerons were still .18 micron the durons still put out more heat. so the duron has a huge heat disadvantage.


3rdly it depends on chipset. in general duron will go with a KT133 or a KL133 or PM133 chipset.
the new celerons usually are matched up with i815 or i830 chipsets. since these are both budget systems i'll assuming integrated graphics. i830 , or the via PL133 on the celeron would probably beat the KT133/PL133/SIS730/ALImagik1 mobile at 100bus no less, on a duron. the magik1 is used on socket A laptops because well its cheap, but its sdram performance is horrid. i assume they could use it with ddr but no laptops have ddr as of yet and its ddr performance would be only KT133 class, which is still not that great.

so at same clock speed i say go for the celeron, unless the duron is a LOT cheaper.

 

[ShynnSw33tx]

Well I am actually choosing between two laptops which both are around the same price range. The HP Pavilion zt1000 and the ze1110

The Hewlett-Packard Pavilion ZE1110 w/AMD? Duron? 1.0GHz Processor has:

Product Specifications
Processor & Cache AMD Duron 1.0GHz/ L1=128KB; L2=64KB
Display 14.1" XGA TFT
Memory (RAM) 256MB
Memory Expandable to 512 MB
Hard Drive 20.0GB
CD/DVD/CDRW Drive 8x DVD-ROM
Additional Drives N/A
Modem 56K
Network Card N/A
Video Graphics ProSavage AGP 3D
Audio 16-bit Soundblaster Pro Compatible
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Software Included Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.0; Quattro Pro 9.0; Wordperfect 9
Drive Bays 2
Ports/Connectors 2 USB; 1 Parallel
Other ports 1 RJ-11; 1 VGA; 1 Microphone; 1 Headphone; 1 Lock compatible
Battery Type Nickel Metal Hydride
Dimensions 12.6"x10.2"x1.3" 6.5lbs

And the Hewlett-Packard Pavilion ZT1000 w/Intel® Celeron? 1.06GHz Processor Standard 14" has:

Model Number F4554AV
Processor Mobile Intel Celeron 1.06GHz; L1-32KB; L2-256KB Display 14.1" TFT XGA
Memory 256MB SDRAM
Memory Expandability 1024 MB
Hard Drive 20 GB Hard Drive
CD/DVD/CDRW 8x DVD-ROM
Additional Drive Not a customizable option
Diskette Drive Not included
Modem Built-in 56K modem+10/100 LAN
Network Card Built-in 10/100 LAN (Ethernet)
Video Graphics S3 Savage4 AGP - 4X 3D Graphics
Sound Card 3D stereo sound
Speakers built-in with integrated acoustic chambers
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Software Options Microsoft Works/Money/Encarta
Software Options Pavilion Software Suite
Battery 6-cell LiIon
Color dark blue / silver highlights
Keyboard 87 keys, full-size, spill-resistant
Pointing Device Touch pad w/ HP Easy Scroll and "on/off" button
Max. Expansion Slots 1 PCMCIA; 0 firewire
USB Ports 3
Other Ports 1 Parallel
Dimensions 13x11x2 INCHES
Weight 5.4 LB

Which would you choose?

 

[hans007]

get the zt. its lighter, has a better battery lithium instead of nickel hydride, uses less power. its probably equivalent speed wise

the chipsets and video are the same basically. the zt can have more ram too. it even comes with better software.

 

[ShynnSw33tx]

Thanks a bunch. Just wanted to make sure I made the right choice =)

 

[Daovonnaex]

<< first off i think the celeron wins in performance and in battery life. 1. the celeron is 133bus now on laptops. 2. it has 256k cache now , since the p3s have 512k.


so basically the new celerons are p3's tualatins. so they are faster than coppermine p3s. coppermine p3s being about as fast as durons this is a wash. >>

Perhaps if you'd bothered to read benchmarks you'd know that the Duron is faster than the Celeron, easily. In fact, the Duron is fast than the Pentium 4 through 1.5 GHz and in multiple instances is able to best the Pentium 4 through 1.7 GHz.

I'll definitely agree with your other points, though.

 

[hans007]

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1521&p=5


if you look at that. the p3 1ghz is faster than the morgan 1ghz (the mobile duron is this core but with powernow so it should be equivalent). seeing as that the benchmarks is of a coppermine 1ghz, and the new laptop celerons are tualatin's and are actually faster than the coppermine 1ghz (they are the same bus, same cache, but with TLB prediction , etc) then well i think i'm right

that is only office performance


http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1521&p=9

in this one the duron lost to the p3 in quake3 also. now given these laptops have identical video and given that the tualatin 133bus 256k celeron is faster than the coppermine, i think being faster at games and productivity software makes the celeron faster than the duron? not to mention the celeron in question is not a 1ghz but a 1.06 ghz. the pentium 3 coppermine also won in office bench 2001,. the duron did win in 3d rendering by about 10%, but for the most part the p3 would be faster than the duron and the new celerons are faster than the old p3 in the benchmark. also in all the benchmarks from that article the p4 -1.5 on the via p4x266 beat the duron in every benchmark. so i dont understand what benchmarks you are talking about, unless you are talking about some dual morgan workstation or somehting

 

[Daovonnaex]

<< http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1521&p=5


if you look at that. the p3 1ghz is faster than the morgan 1ghz (the mobile duron is this core but with powernow so it should be equivalent). seeing as that the benchmarks is of a coppermine 1ghz, and the new laptop celerons are tualatin's and are actually faster than the coppermine 1ghz (they are the same bus, same cache, but with TLB prediction , etc) then well i think i'm right

that is only office performance


http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1521&p=9

in this one the duron lost to the p3 in quake3 also. now given these laptops have identical video and given that the tualatin 133bus 256k celeron is faster than the coppermine, i think being faster at games and productivity software makes the celeron faster than the duron? not to mention the celeron in question is not a 1ghz but a 1.06 ghz. the pentium 3 coppermine also won in office bench 2001,. the duron did win in 3d rendering by about 10%, but for the most part the p3 would be faster than the duron and the new celerons are faster than the old p3 in the benchmark. also in all the benchmarks from that article the p4 -1.5 on the via p4x266 beat the duron in every benchmark. >>

I'm sure you're also aware that the Pentium 3 typically beats the Pentium 4 up a certain level. Tom's did one of their better articles a while back between the Celeron Tualatin and the Duron Morgan, both at 1300 MHz, which is where I'm basing my judgements on. LINK

 

[johndoe52]

Get the duron.

 

[BobSnob]

As I said, I have a HP Duron laptop, but looking at those two I'd go for the Celeron. Nice cool chip with ample performance. The bottleneck in laptops is invariably the hard drives which are generally slooowwww (4200rpm). You'll also get built-in LAN card and an extra USB port.

 

[Rand]

<< I'm sure you're also aware that the Pentium 3 typically beats the Pentium 4 up a certain level. Tom's did one of their better articles a while back between the Celeron Tualatin and the Duron Morgan, both at 1300 MHz, which is where I'm basing my judgements on. LINK >>



Unfortunately, that's not really a valid comparison though.
Tom used a desktop Celeron running on a 100MHz FSB, the 1.06GHz Mobile Celeron runs on the 133MHz FSB... and the Celeron gains quite a boost from the faster 133MHz FSB. The Mobile Celeron at 1.06GHz should be able to slightly out-perform the 200MHz DDR FSB Mobile Duron in most applications.

 

[ShynnSw33tx]

Sweet... thanks for the advice