[AMD] Difference between Thoroughbred A, B and Palomino...

[SpyderX]

What's the difference between these 3 with the AMD XP chips? I heard the TBred B are better for overclocking and all and are also unlock but what else are the difference between the two? I'm going to get my Asus A7N8X-Deluxe motherboard really soon and I thought might as well get a new AXP processor to go with it. I don't plan to overclock now because I don't have the money to get a new processor IF my processor were to fry and most likely would O/C in the future. Any suggestions? Thanks

 

[SpyderX]

Nothing?

 

[pillage2001]

I believe this has been covered for alot of times that's why people are tired of answering this type of q.

Anyway, Tbred B and A are based on the new 0.13micron fabrication while Palo is a 0.18 process. The palo is older as you might knopw and tbred A is the first generation of Tbred to be unveiled. Tbred B is slowly coming into the mainstream now and is a better overclocker than then Tbred A. If you're looking to overclock, I would reccomend the Xp2100 from Newegg which is a Tbred B. Tbred B and A are both unlocked by default.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

dont buy retail if you plan to overclock in the (near?) future....you'll end up spending some money on an aftermarket heatsink+fan anyways...

 

[SpyderX]

About overclocking, I don't have the cash to buy a new processor (or would take at least a week or 2) if my chip fries. I know it happens at least once, even with a great overclocker, but I want to try and all...just not fry it on my first time...I'll probably be getting a good hs/f combo, probably either the sk-7 or the slk-### (forgot the #)

 

[pillage2001]

I've never fried any chip in my life. You won't fry it as long as you follow these rules:

1) Make sure the CPU core has a good contact on the HSF. <-----THIS IS A MUST
2) Make sure the fan is spinning.
3) Don't overuse Voltage cause it'll shorten the life of a CPU. With 0.13micron processes around, high voltages could really kill a CPU.

Get the Slk800 if you've got the cash.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: pillage2001
I've never fried any chip in my life. You won't fry it as long as you follow these rules:

1) Make sure the CPU core has a good contact on the HSF. <-----THIS IS A MUST
2) Make sure the fan is spinning.
3) Don't overuse Voltage cause it'll shorten the life of a CPU. With 0.13micron processes around, high voltages could really kill a CPU.

Get the Slk800 if you've got the cash.

i second that
slk800+sunon 82cfm for me (apparently its a tornado in disguise..)

but you should be fine with slk800 and any fan...

(this is usually a no brainer, but ppl sometimes forget: use some sort of thermal paste [preferably arctic silver2/3] but use SOMETHING at least...some dont use anything and wonder why their cpu is running so hot or dead lol)

 

[SpyderX]

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: pillage2001
I've never fried any chip in my life. You won't fry it as long as you follow these rules:

1) Make sure the CPU core has a good contact on the HSF. <-----THIS IS A MUST
2) Make sure the fan is spinning.
3) Don't overuse Voltage cause it'll shorten the life of a CPU. With 0.13micron processes around, high voltages could really kill a CPU.

Get the Slk800 if you've got the cash.

i second that
slk800+sunon 82cfm for me (apparently its a tornado in disguise..)

but you should be fine with slk800 and any fan...

(this is usually a no brainer, but ppl sometimes forget: use some sort of thermal paste [preferably arctic silver2/3] but use SOMETHING at least...some dont use anything and wonder why their cpu is running so hot or dead lol)

Yeah I was thinking either that (slk800) or the SK-7 but I think I'll go with the SLK800. The Sunon82 CFM fan? Is that a good fan to combine it with or ???
I want great cooling with the fan but at the same time not too loud or loud at all.

2nd - About overclocking, I thought it was mainly playing with the multipler and the fsb (i think, the mhz thingie, bleh my termology sucks)... Won't voltage also shorten a cpu life span? I Can still O/C without touching the voltage right?

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: SpyderX

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: pillage2001
I've never fried any chip in my life. You won't fry it as long as you follow these rules:

1) Make sure the CPU core has a good contact on the HSF. <-----THIS IS A MUST
2) Make sure the fan is spinning.
3) Don't overuse Voltage cause it'll shorten the life of a CPU. With 0.13micron processes around, high voltages could really kill a CPU.

Get the Slk800 if you've got the cash.

i second that
slk800+sunon 82cfm for me (apparently its a tornado in disguise..)

but you should be fine with slk800 and any fan...

(this is usually a no brainer, but ppl sometimes forget: use some sort of thermal paste [preferably arctic silver2/3] but use SOMETHING at least...some dont use anything and wonder why their cpu is running so hot or dead lol)

Yeah I was thinking either that (slk800) or the SK-7 but I think I'll go with the SLK800. The Sunon82 CFM fan? Is that a good fan to combine it with or ???
I want great cooling with the fan but at the same time not too loud or loud at all.

2nd - About overclocking, I thought it was mainly playing with the multipler and the fsb (i think, the mhz thingie, bleh my termology sucks)... Won't voltage also shorten a cpu life span? I Can still O/C without touching the voltage right?

well its good fan, but its one loud mofo (same with tornado, which it supposedly is but just rebaged....or the other way around, tornado's are rebadged sunons..lol..) anyways, they are definitly not quiet...55dBa...quite noticeable if you ask me (i had 68cfm delta @ 48 dBa or so...didnt seem too loud to me but it was noticeable no doubt)

maybe look into thermaltake smartfan2, its got an adjustable fan from super slow to super fast and you can set it to whatever speed you want

you can oc without touching voltage if you want, but it most likely wont get you too far

 

[SpyderX]

Oh I see but then is managing the voltages hard (not cranking the voltage up little by little but knowing how much to start and how little to go up by, etc)
About the sound, maybe I'll just get it then and get those (I forgot what it's call) that you put outside the case to muffle the sound.

So usually with o/cing its all about the voltage, multiplier and the fsb right?

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: SpyderX
Oh I see but then is managing the voltages hard (not cranking the voltage up little by little but knowing how much to start and how little to go up by, etc)
About the sound, maybe I'll just get it then and get those (I forgot what it's call) that you put outside the case to muffle the sound.

So usually with o/cing its all about the voltage, multiplier and the fsb right?

yes...usualy go up by lowest amount possible in voltages....

here is pt1 of an article i wrote for ocing...perhaps it will be of some use to you

with the side of the case on, it not terribly bad imo....its an 80mm so its not a high pitched whine...more of a lower whirrrrrrrrrrr sound...
get the fan first, try it, and see if you can live with it...if not then look into the sound muffling option (do you mean padding or soemthing?)

yah, ocing its all about the voltage (to ram and cpu), mult, fsb...

also remember to fix the pci (or is it agp....pretty sure its pci) bus at 33.3mhz or wahtever is avilable in the bios