AMD demonstrates 4x4
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You mean CPUS lol, and shouldn't it be able to take any x2, or will it require special "4x4 processors" which i dont really see happening
4 X 4 would be very interesting if they would make mobos @ $100 and I could stick 2 $150 X2 3800s in it.
It's pointless with Conroe around, unless I can get it cheap.
It's pointless with Conroe around, unless I can get it cheap.
Ok i actually read the link now. It sounds like a $1000 bundle of mb and processors, which means they must have some limitation, otherwise you could throw 2 3800s in for $300 and spend what $700 on the board?
I'm most likely wrong here but from my understanding I think they are just talking about the CPUs bundled together with no motherboard.
Can anyone explain how the 4X4 works?
Is it two physical processors each with 2 cores? Or something else?
Can anyone explain how the 4X4 works?
Is it two physical processors each with 2 cores? Or something else?
4x4 is supposed to be a dual socket motherboard intended for 2 dual core processors, so four cores, and also meant for quad sli, the other four.
I wonder if it works with 2 single core athlons?
I wonder if it works with 2 single core athlons?
Looking at the current pricing it's not that attractive an option. A single core CPU costs far more than half that of a dual core one.
the first 4x4 systems will be nothing more than a dual CPU socket SLI/crossfire board.
down the road it will become much more powerful. it will be either have a.) four CPU sockets or b.) two CPU sockets and two HTX slots
either way they will all be connected through a cHT (coherent hyper transport) BUS. a system like that will theoretically be faster and more powerful than any PCI-express system (including the future PCI-E x32 interface)
also, now that AMD has officially announced their upcoming acquisition of ATI, I think you will see this become reality much sooner than expected
down the road it will become much more powerful. it will be either have a.) four CPU sockets or b.) two CPU sockets and two HTX slots
either way they will all be connected through a cHT (coherent hyper transport) BUS. a system like that will theoretically be faster and more powerful than any PCI-express system (including the future PCI-E x32 interface)
also, now that AMD has officially announced their upcoming acquisition of ATI, I think you will see this become reality much sooner than expected
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154654.html
SUNNYVALE, California--Fresh from its ATI acquisition announcement, processor manufacturer Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) today demonstrated a working four-core desktop system at a technology event held at its company headquarters. The four-core test system used two dual-core 2.8Ghz CPU engineering samples, clocked at the same speed as AMD's flagship Athlon 64 FX-62 dual-core processor.
The four-core system outperformed a dual-core Athlon 64 FX-62 comparison system in several multithreaded, processor intensive applications ranging from 3D rendering to video transcoding. AMD didn't reveal benchmark scores at Microsoft's request because the systems were running on Windows Vista software, which is still in beta. However, AMD representatives were able to show the performance differences by running the systems side-by-side in race scenarios. Not surprisingly, the four-core system finished ahead of the dual-core comparison system, often by a huge time margin.
During the demonstration, Pat Moorhead, AMD's vice president of advanced marketing, made special care to explain that multi-core PCs won't necessarily run all applications faster than single-core systems. Instead, he said that multiple cores will help the most in what AMD calls "megatasking" scenarios that involve running several processor intensive applications at the same time such as playing a game while coding a video in the background.
Speed and power characterized the last two decades of desktop processors, but parallelism has become the new mantra for manufacturers as heat and production challenges make it more difficult to increase processor speeds. If a CPU-maker can't increase single-core performance through clock speeds, the next best option is to add additional cores that work in tandem.
Multi-core CPUs, once the domain of severs and high-performance workstations, have gone mainstream over the past year. AMD's Athlon 64 X2 and Intel's Pentium D, the first dual-core processors from both major manufacturers, have gained a solid foothold in consumer desktops. Both companies are now preparing to push parallelism even further by adding four or more processing cores into each system.
AMD presented today's four-core system demo as a preview of the 4x4 "Quad-Father" enthusiast multiprocessor platform announced earlier this summer. The first "4" in 4x4 represents the four processing cores present in a two-socket system populated with two dual-core processors. Many assumed that the second "4" referred to quad GPUs when AMD first made the 4x4 announcement, but Moorhead clarified today that the second four represents any kind of high-performance hardware, anything from four hard disks to four GPUs or even 4GBs of system memory.
The four-core prototype system itself didn't have the complete 4x4 feature set enabled, which is why AMD was careful to label the demo as a four-core demo, not a 4x4 demo. The four-core system had two engineering samples featuring the same cache amount and clocked at the same speed as the Athlon 64 FX-62, but the motherboard used buffered memory instead of the unbuffered memory that shipping 4x4 systems will support.
Moorhead announced that the 4x4 platform will be upgradeable to eight cores once AMD releases quad-core processors in 2007. Consumers that pick up a 4x4 system this holiday season will be able to upgrade from dual-core CPUs up to quad-core CPUs without purchasing a new motherboard.
Rahul Sood, founder and CTO of high-end system manufacturer VoodooPC, contends that AMD's multiprocessor platform is particularly well-suited to gamers because each CPU has its own dedicated memory. Serious game players have long avoided multitasking for fear of decreasing game performance, but the new platform will allow gamers to run applications without affecting gameplay. "The hardcore gamers are all about the bare minimum--they don't want garbage running," said Sood.
AMD also addressed questions regarding its recent acquisition of Canadian graphics manufacturer ATI. Moorhead reiterated AMD's stance that ATI was an "acquisition of growth" and that the "goal is to build a processing powerhouse" where AMD provides the CPU muscle in the server and PC space while ATI offers graphics chipsets for PCs, GPUs for consumer electronics like the Xbox 360 and Wii, as well as processors for digital televisions and handsets.
When asked if AMD planned on changing its Turion mobile CPU branding to include an ATI chipset requirement, Moorhead took a swipe at Intel's mobile strategy. "No, we won't force our customers to buy a chipset for the privilege of using the branding," he said.
Moorhead declined to comment on how the deal may affect ATI's license to produce chipsets for Intel-based platforms, but he did point out that the company's estimates have been very conservative. "We've zeroed out all that Intel business," said Moorhead.
SUNNYVALE, California--Fresh from its ATI acquisition announcement, processor manufacturer Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) today demonstrated a working four-core desktop system at a technology event held at its company headquarters. The four-core test system used two dual-core 2.8Ghz CPU engineering samples, clocked at the same speed as AMD's flagship Athlon 64 FX-62 dual-core processor.
The four-core system outperformed a dual-core Athlon 64 FX-62 comparison system in several multithreaded, processor intensive applications ranging from 3D rendering to video transcoding. AMD didn't reveal benchmark scores at Microsoft's request because the systems were running on Windows Vista software, which is still in beta. However, AMD representatives were able to show the performance differences by running the systems side-by-side in race scenarios. Not surprisingly, the four-core system finished ahead of the dual-core comparison system, often by a huge time margin.
During the demonstration, Pat Moorhead, AMD's vice president of advanced marketing, made special care to explain that multi-core PCs won't necessarily run all applications faster than single-core systems. Instead, he said that multiple cores will help the most in what AMD calls "megatasking" scenarios that involve running several processor intensive applications at the same time such as playing a game while coding a video in the background.
Speed and power characterized the last two decades of desktop processors, but parallelism has become the new mantra for manufacturers as heat and production challenges make it more difficult to increase processor speeds. If a CPU-maker can't increase single-core performance through clock speeds, the next best option is to add additional cores that work in tandem.
Multi-core CPUs, once the domain of severs and high-performance workstations, have gone mainstream over the past year. AMD's Athlon 64 X2 and Intel's Pentium D, the first dual-core processors from both major manufacturers, have gained a solid foothold in consumer desktops. Both companies are now preparing to push parallelism even further by adding four or more processing cores into each system.
AMD presented today's four-core system demo as a preview of the 4x4 "Quad-Father" enthusiast multiprocessor platform announced earlier this summer. The first "4" in 4x4 represents the four processing cores present in a two-socket system populated with two dual-core processors. Many assumed that the second "4" referred to quad GPUs when AMD first made the 4x4 announcement, but Moorhead clarified today that the second four represents any kind of high-performance hardware, anything from four hard disks to four GPUs or even 4GBs of system memory.
The four-core prototype system itself didn't have the complete 4x4 feature set enabled, which is why AMD was careful to label the demo as a four-core demo, not a 4x4 demo. The four-core system had two engineering samples featuring the same cache amount and clocked at the same speed as the Athlon 64 FX-62, but the motherboard used buffered memory instead of the unbuffered memory that shipping 4x4 systems will support.
Moorhead announced that the 4x4 platform will be upgradeable to eight cores once AMD releases quad-core processors in 2007. Consumers that pick up a 4x4 system this holiday season will be able to upgrade from dual-core CPUs up to quad-core CPUs without purchasing a new motherboard.
Rahul Sood, founder and CTO of high-end system manufacturer VoodooPC, contends that AMD's multiprocessor platform is particularly well-suited to gamers because each CPU has its own dedicated memory. Serious game players have long avoided multitasking for fear of decreasing game performance, but the new platform will allow gamers to run applications without affecting gameplay. "The hardcore gamers are all about the bare minimum--they don't want garbage running," said Sood.
AMD also addressed questions regarding its recent acquisition of Canadian graphics manufacturer ATI. Moorhead reiterated AMD's stance that ATI was an "acquisition of growth" and that the "goal is to build a processing powerhouse" where AMD provides the CPU muscle in the server and PC space while ATI offers graphics chipsets for PCs, GPUs for consumer electronics like the Xbox 360 and Wii, as well as processors for digital televisions and handsets.
When asked if AMD planned on changing its Turion mobile CPU branding to include an ATI chipset requirement, Moorhead took a swipe at Intel's mobile strategy. "No, we won't force our customers to buy a chipset for the privilege of using the branding," he said.
Moorhead declined to comment on how the deal may affect ATI's license to produce chipsets for Intel-based platforms, but he did point out that the company's estimates have been very conservative. "We've zeroed out all that Intel business," said Moorhead.
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Originally posted by: Regs
Is it suppose to demonstrate quad core coming out in 08? If so....
This is a quad core system, not a quad core chip.
Quad core system 4x4 is coming in Q4 of 06;
Quad core chips from AMD, K8L are coming at the end of Q2 next year (07); and one can upgrade the 4x4 system with two K8L chips for 8 cores in a system.
Regs
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Originally posted by: Hard Ball
Originally posted by: Regs
Is it suppose to demonstrate quad core coming out in 08? If so....
This is a quad core system, not a quad core chip.
Quad core system 4x4 is coming in Q4 of 06;
Quad core chips from AMD, K8L are coming at the end of Q2 next year (07); and one can upgrade the 4x4 system with two K8L chips for 8 cores in a system.
Exactly...Or it could be of AMDs way of bad PR. I mean, are they intentionally releasing this 4x4 for them to imitate the performance of a quad chip ? I don't really understand the tactics in this. A 1000 dollar set up for added performance in what ?!?!?!? I think they should just stick to the K8L in a 4x4.
From the sounds of things, it includes 2 CPUs for under $1000 total. Granted that's still more expensive than you could do with dual dualcore Opterons, it would be intresting if the CPUs and motherboard all came under $1000.
As emilyek said, it would be VERY interesting if it could work with 3800+s...it might actually make it hard to turn down such processing power for even the likes of an E6600. Although I believe the potential user base would still be pretty limited, you'd really need to know how to squeeze as much power out of it as possible (insane multitasking as well as apps that really demand such power), and the E6600 would still have all the advantages in situations where multitasking doesn't matter or is of light nature (speed / heat production / power consumption...)
Dual Opterons require registered ram and this will probably fit an ATX form factor. I was hoping that all current CPUs would work with a 4x4 mobo but since they made reference to "engineering samples" I'm guessing that's a no.
Originally posted by: Hard Ball
Originally posted by: Regs
Is it suppose to demonstrate quad core coming out in 08? If so....
This is a quad core system, not a quad core chip.
Quad core system 4x4 is coming in Q4 of 06;
Quad core chips from AMD, K8L are coming at the end of Q2 next year (07); and one can upgrade the 4x4 system with two K8L chips for 8 cores in a system.
yuck. with kentsfield coming Q4 2006 and already engineering samplaes being OCed to 3+ GHz amd needs quad core out in some form Q4. and 4x4 is not that form.
FX 62 is liek $800 , so ... it iwll be at east $1800 and as much as $2000 for cpu/mobo
anyway i think its stupid that AMD, intel move into quad-core > why? b/c not many apps today can even take advantage of dual-core, lket along quad-cores ... i think ill be sticking with a higher clock Core 2 Duo (conroe) at least for a while
can anyone tell me what app is optimized for quad-core?? also do we have to worry about this whenever Intel/AMD make a core jump (ie. from 4 cores to 8 cores, from 16-cores to 32 croes ... )
anyway i think its stupid that AMD, intel move into quad-core > why? b/c not many apps today can even take advantage of dual-core, lket along quad-cores ... i think ill be sticking with a higher clock Core 2 Duo (conroe) at least for a while
can anyone tell me what app is optimized for quad-core?? also do we have to worry about this whenever Intel/AMD make a core jump (ie. from 4 cores to 8 cores, from 16-cores to 32 croes ... )
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