AMD CPUs are they being sued for fraud

[TungFree]

I just spoke to a techie who has lots of complaints about AMD Athlon, and their claims of more than what they can do, and I wish input from you all on it.

This man is claiming to have discovered that the speeds AMD claims were false, that AMD over-clocks its speeds and that Intel has surpassed AMD way too much for AMD to ever catch up

Additionally he said he was put out of business from building computers for customers who trusted his AMD recommendations. and was swamped with broken down processors and the damages they caused on the motherboards.

This is the first I hear of it and want your know how and wisdom inputs to confirm or deny this new news I heard.

 

[Sdiver2489]

:roll:

This is the dumbest thing I have heard all day!

You win!

Intel has surpassed AMD way too much for AMD to ever catch up

That statement should set off your BS meter

 

[Pabster]

That is the kind of BS that was very common prior to the Athlon series. (And I'm talking FUD and rumor, not fact.)

Most of the issues surrounding the early AMD days were VIA chipset problems and motherboard issues, not CPU.

 

[TungFree]

Remember I just heard this from a techie an hour ago and have not had time to verify it. He said AMD is in Court now over false claims. I have been using Athlons since they first over took Intel. That is why I seek your collective know how and experience.
He says that none of the new speeds claimed were true speeds that the base speed was 1.1 or so gighz and the rest was overclocking.

I am seeking to make a new decision soon and read about an Opteron quad. I went to Yahoo windows3 and asked for inputs on what an opteron was and got the above respnse about AMD.

Don't get mad at me if it is not so I am not one to start rumors

 

[jkresh]

He may be complaining about amd's model numbers, but amd has consistently said they have nothing to do with intel clock speed (or intel's model numbers) just that the higher hte model number the faster it is, ie he may have mistakenly thought (or told customers) that an athlon x2 6000 was equivalent to a 6ghz p4 or core 2, when in reality its about a 2.4-2.6 core 2 (or probably a 4ghz+ p4), but if he did thats his problem it has nothing to do with AMD.

It is true that right now AMD has nothing to compete with core2, but barcelona is supposed to be a solid competitor in a few months and amd's current chips aren't bad they just aren't as fast as core 2.

(Note I have had, An original Athlon, and Athlon xp, a p4 2.26, a 754 based 3000+, a 939 3200+ (agp), a 939 4400+ (pci express), and now a core 2 so I am not biased towards one or the other).

 

[Extelleron]

I don't know what he's talking about. As the above poster said he could be talking about AMD's model system.. it's not a bad system but an Athlon XP 3200+ isn't as fast as a 3.2GHz P4 and maybe that's what he's saying.

AMD is a good, solid, reputable company. "Overclocks their speeds"? AMD's processors scale in clockspeed just like Intel does, AMD bins faster chips and uses them on faster models. Overclocking is something the USER does to increase clockspeed beyond the manufacturer's guaranteed speed.

 

[Captante]

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me ... if there were a major issue with AMD CPU's & some kind of lawsuit like the one described in the OP, I would think we would have heard about it before now.

 

[TungFree]

I thought you all had heard the same he said, so I posted to ask. He sounded well meaning but I just met him today in a windows help chat with voice, and told him about AT and to come register here. Other than that thanks to all who posted it looks like, he ers in some way. His complaint that most of the computers that came in for repair were Athlon, not Pentium, maybe that more of his customers own them and not Pentium. I can only guess, he meant well, but from this thread it looks like no one else but him feels that

 

[stevty2889]

No offence, but if your techie is that stupid, he deserves to be out of business. People with no knowledge seem to look at clock speed alone, and assume that higher is better. That only applies to processors of the same family. A 2.4ghz AMD X2 for example will destroy at 3.2ghz Pentium-D, but at the same time, will be destroyed by a 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo. You can't directly compare the clock speed of differant architectures.

And a model number is just a model number, it's used to compare against other models of the same group. With the Athlon 64 came out, it was better in a lot of areas compared to a P4. The P4 still had advantages in things like video encoding, but for most things, the lower clocked, cooler running A64 was better.

Then came the dual cores. The Althon X2 "competed" against pentium-D's. Pentium D's ran at higher clocks speeds, consumed much more power, and generated a lot more heat..and the Athlon X2 totaly destroyed in in performance. AMD's cpu's were the better performers, while running cooler, and using less power until Intel came out with Core 2 Duo. When it comes to workstations, Intel does well with 1 and 2u workstations using the core 2 based Xeons, but when you got to 4+ unit workstations and servers, the AMD Opteron is still the way to go, part of it being hypertransport, as the FSB becomes a bottleneck for Intel CPU's at that point.

Basicly, the techie you talked to, is lost in his own little fantasy world.

 

[Makaveli]

Tell that guy to stick to buying Intel cpu's, AMD doesn't need someone that dumb buying there products!

 

[Rubycon]

If I had a hammer...

 

[DaveSimmons]

Additionally he said he was put out of business from building computers for customers who trusted his AMD recommendations. and was swamped with broken down processors and the damages they caused on the motherboards.

Pure BS, it sounds like he's just bitter about his own incompetence.

He probably never learned to install heatsinks properly, then was surprised when the chips overheated and died.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Maybe he should go surfing and leave the processors alone.

 

[tcsenter]

I spoke to a "techie" (whatever the hell that is) who claimed that Intel is actually using technology it obtain from extra-terrestrial alien beings (as opposed to those alien beings from India). This "techie" also said that Intel has been part of a conspiracy to keep it all quiet, reaching the highest levels of government, in exchange for a part of the action. This technology has caused AMD to become incompetent as well (apparently the same technology AMD had between the release of AMD64 and Core 2 Duo).

Making stuff up is fun - try it!

 

[Puffnstuff]

But then again you might be hitting a little closer to the truth than you realize.

 

[SparkyJJO]

I have owned AMD CPUs for a long time. Originally back in the P3 days because I could only afford the K6-2. Then because they had about the same performance if not better than the P4 during many of the A-XP days, and because they had the performance crown for a long time with the A64 and X2s. Now I have an opteron 165. I've treated some of these CPUs very harshly with high heat, cheapo PSUs and mobos, and never yet had one die.

From my experience with AMD CPUs I think this techie is either flat-out lying or (more probably) is just really incompetent.

 

[n7]

Gotta love BS :roll:

 

[myocardia]

AMD is only involved in one lawsuit, this one.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I enjoy comedy and this thread makes me laugh.

 

[Jeff7]

Intel's screwed too. I bought an E6400, and it's NOT 6400GHz!!!! And there was only one processor in the package! It says Core II and DUO! That implies two! Intel owes me big. There wasn't any cache rebate in the package either, but it said "2M" on the box. No $2M? Lawsuit time. Damn corporate scam artists.

 

[NesuD]

He says that none of the new speeds claimed were true speeds that the base speed was 1.1 or so gighz and the rest was overclocking.

LOL!! What a tool. Sounds like what he is saying is that processor speeds are made batch by batch rather than by binning sort of lets make a run of 2.0 Ghz processors and every die in the run is a perfect 2 gig processor but no faster. Someone needs to educate this idiot on what binning is. Technically speaking there is no overclocking possible except by the end user. the clock speed set by the manufacturer is the official clock so by definition it is not overclocked.

This dimwit sounds very much like nothing more than an incompetent idiot who wants to blame his own ineptness on anyone but himself. I would not make him a forum pal and if there is anyway you can uninvite hime from signing up here it might save us the trouble of shooting the idiot down.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Intel's screwed too. I bought an E6400, and it's NOT 6400GHz!!!! And there was only one processor in the package! It says Core II and DUO! That implies two! Intel owes me big. There wasn't any cache rebate in the package either, but it said "2M" on the box. No $2M? Lawsuit time. Damn corporate scam artists.

OMFGROFLMAO U GOT PWND

I ordered an E6300 and got 6300 processors! And they has so many megahurtz I can't even count the n00bs I pwnz in CS!!1one!



OP: The guy who told you that may very well be correct, in Bizarro Land, where everything is crazy and birds have fins and swim in the sky, but back in reality he's talking a load of balls.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: NesuD

He says that none of the new speeds claimed were true speeds that the base speed was 1.1 or so gighz and the rest was overclocking.

LOL!! What a tool. Sounds like what he is saying is that processor speeds are made batch by batch rather than by binning sort of lets make a run of 2.0 Ghz processors and every die in the run is a perfect 2 gig processor but no faster. Someone needs to educate this idiot on what binning is. Technically speaking there is no overclocking possible except by the end user. the clock speed set by the manufacturer is the official clock so by definition it is not overclocked.

This dimwit sounds very much like nothing more than an incompetent idiot who wants to blame his own ineptness on anyone but himself. I would not make him a forum pal and if there is anyway you can uninvite hime from signing up here it might save us the trouble of shooting the idiot down.

Dang, beat me to it. :beer:

 

[TungFree]

Well I was in no position to argue with him. I had been busy the last year without much reading. So I was shocked to hear it and told him so. Several persons in that room ( voice Chat room) spoke respectfully to him, setting a trap for my believing the man.

I just need to start reading more. I had looked for a possible laptop purchase, and went to Asus tech support to ask questions. They assured me that AMD processor was not as good a processor as as is the core 2. That set me up for believing the techie in that chat room.


Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Mogadon]

I think the most damning line from this 'techie' is:

"Additionally he said he was put out of business from building computers..."

He obviously dug his own grave by selling computers he built.