AMD could be victims of Nvidia employee trade secret theft.

[Tweak155]

The word "victims" was used to invoke sympathy towards AMD. The words following that, "of Nvidia", implies Nvidia is the one who has done harm to AMD and should be scorned.

In the words of the great Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!"

It does imply motive, however I still consider it an important detail. Nvidia should be mentioned at some point, but I agree - with more tact.

 

[Lonbjerg]

It does imply motive, however I still consider it an important detail. Nvidia should be mentioned at some point, but I agree - with more tact.

Why should they be mentioned...when the are not part of the lawsuit or mentioned in hte filing?
Only a raving AMD fanboy would do such a thing...a flamepost if you like.

 

[3DVagabond]

^

Why should there be...NVIDIA isn't accused of anything in the filing?

Grasping for straws eh? ^^

Because their name is mentioned in the title of the article? Because their name is mentioned in the summary of the article? Because their name is mentioned 5 different times altogether? Because their name is mentioned 11 times in the lawsuit? Because current nVidia employees are being accused of wrongfully headhunting employees of their prior employer to work for nVidia and are being sued for it?

I'm surprised nVidia hasn't announced their own investigation into it from their end so they know they aren't acting on any illegally attained information these people might have. Or, unknowingly hired people who never should have been solicited to work there in the first place. If I were them I'd be dealing very aggressively with this and be very transparent about it so there would be no doubt that I wasn't knowingly connected to any of it.

What straws am I grasping at? I've made no accusations of nVidia. Nor have I even implied they have done anything wrong. Don't be so defensive.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Because their name is mentioned in the title of the article? Because their name is mentioned in the summary of the article? Because their name is mentioned 5 different times altogether? Because their name is mentioned 11 times in the lawsuit? Because current nVidia employees are being accused of wrongfully headhunting employees of their prior employer to work for nVidia and are being sued for it?

I'm surprised nVidia hasn't announced their own investigation into it from their end so they know they aren't acting on any illegally attained information these people might have. Or, unknowingly hired people who never should have been solicited to work there in the first place. If I were them I'd be dealing very aggressively with this and be very transparent about it so there would be no doubt that I wasn't knowingly connected to any of it.

What straws am I grasping at? I've made no accusations of nVidia. Nor have I even implied they have done anything wrong. Don't be so defensive.

Yeah....you mentioned NVIDIA x number of times...even though NVIDIA isn't getting sued.

That is graspning for straws.
Just like when you refuted/dismissed microstutter.

You can try and play "innocent"....but you are not fooling anyone...get over it.

 

[SirPauly]

or mentioned in hte filing?

Imho,

The journalistic titles are more sensational but nVidia is mentioned in the filing. nVidia isn't being sued or accused; the four defendants are for potential contract violations and why the case is civil.

 

[Mistwalker]

Yeah....you mentioned NVIDIA x number of times...even though NVIDIA isn't getting sued.

All he did was ask if Nvidia has made a statement. Their culpability aside (there likely is none, they are not being accused of anything), Nvidia being involved in the filing itself, and connected to the defendants, is simple fact.

That is graspning for straws.
Just like when you refuted/dismissed microstutter.

He asked a general question. If you don't think it's worth addressing, don't respond to it.

Stop bringing crap from other threads into this one to attack posters rather than data.

 

[Ferzerp]

Stop bringing crap from other threads into this one to attack posters rather than data.

You assume each thread is in a bubble. If an individual repeatedly exhibits an agenda, that carries over to each thread. We have an awful lot of posters on this particular forum with agendas and it's gone severly down hill in the last 12 months because of it.

I wish the mods would clean it up.

Compare this thread with the same topic in the CPU forum to see just how awful this one has become.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah....you mentioned NVIDIA x number of times...even though NVIDIA isn't getting sued.

That is graspning for straws.
Just like when you refuted/dismissed microstutter.

You can try and play "innocent"....but you are not fooling anyone...get over it.

Innocent? Funny how you are so fast to defend nVidia claiming I'm trying to find them guilty by association, even when I'm not attacking them. Just asking if they've commented. Then you do esactly that to me. Because I'm on one side of an argument in another thread, I must be attacking nVidia in this one. That is hypocrisy.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Innocent? Funny how you are so fast to defend nVidia claiming I'm trying to find them guilty by association, even when I'm not attacking them. Just asking if they've commented. Then you do esactly that to me. Because I'm on one side of an argument in another thread, I must be attacking nVidia in this one. That is hypocrisy.

No...you just keep showing your innocent face, I don't care.
But DO wake me up when NVIDIA gets invloved in this.

Untill then...have a happy day trying to make it so..

 

[OCGuy]

Terrible thread title.

 

[Will Robinson]

FerzerpQuote:
Originally Posted by Mistwalker
"Stop bringing crap from other threads into this one to attack posters rather than data."

You assume each thread is in a bubble. If an individual repeatedly exhibits an agenda, that carries over to each thread. We have an awful lot of posters on this particular forum with agendas and it's gone severly down hill in the last 12 months because of it.

I wish the mods would clean it up.

Compare this thread with the same topic in the CPU forum to see just how awful this one has become.

Umm....you are one of the most relentless and hardcore NV fanboys here,how's that for irony...🙄

 

[Mistwalker]

You assume each thread is in a bubble. If an individual repeatedly exhibits an agenda, that carries over to each thread. We have an awful lot of posters on this particular forum with agendas and it's gone severly down hill in the last 12 months because of it.

Certainly threads are not completely self-contained, and yes, a lot of posters on this forum show a pretty clear agenda to their posts.

That said, you should still be able to address (or criticize) what a poster is saying, rather than their motives. It's possible to have an agenda and still make well-reasoned posts. In this case a question was asked, the poster attacked, a detailed explanation was given for asking the question, which was dismissed and ridiculed. That's not cool.

Compare this thread with the same topic in the CPU forum to see just how awful this one has become.

Rarely step foot over there, but yeah, VC&G seems to have two extreme camps who just can't resist baiting the other. I second your call wishing mods would take a heavier hand, must be pretty exasperating for them by now.

 

[SiliconWars]

The thread title is accurate. At the very least these people had accepted their jobs at Nvidia before stealing AMD's secrets.

Worse case, they were unders orders from Nvidia to do so.

Did any of you read the lawsuit I wonder? Let me quote a bit...

The last day Mr Feldman used his computer before leaving for Nvidia, two external devices were connected to his computer...onto those devices three highly confidential {etc}.

Last day on the job before moving to Nvidia. These guys were Nvidia employees in every way except sitting at their new desks. Position was accepted, notice handed in at AMD. Don't try to pretend that this was the act of AMD employees - at this point they were Nvidia employees who stole AMD secrets.

 

[blackened23]

He was probably backing up his saved games filed obviously. He learned to NOT trust steam cloud saves. I mean, how annoyed would you be if you reinstalled windows and realized that you have to start skyrim over from the beginning? Not fun.

 

[notty22]

The thread title is accurate. At the very least these people had accepted their jobs at Nvidia before stealing AMD's secrets.

Worse case, they were unders orders from Nvidia to do so.

Did any of you read the lawsuit I wonder? Let me quote a bit...

Last day on the job before moving to Nvidia. These guys were Nvidia employees in every way except sitting at their new desks. Position was accepted, notice handed in at AMD. Don't try to pretend that this was the act of AMD employees - at this point they were Nvidia employees who stole AMD secrets.

The bolded part is ridiculous. You are living in a fantasy (where AMD is always, right?) that someone with 20 years of experience is going to do something immoral, against his own free will ?

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You've probably never heard the name Bob Feldstein, but Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft surely have. He was the vice president of strategic development at AMD, and according to our sources, he brokered the deals that will see the next Xbox, PlayStation, and Wii U all use AMD hardware. He was vice president of engineering at ATI before it got acquired by AMD, and oversaw the Xbox 360's Xenos GPU and the original Wii's Hollywood GPU, among other things. Of the previous console generation, only the PS3, with its Nvidia-powered RSX, had a GPU designed by a rival firm.
Why bring that up today? Because after nearly two decades working for Team Red, Feldstein has moved to that rival firm: Nvidia.
The Wall Street Journal reports that July 13th was Feldstein's last day at the company, he started work at Nvidia on July 16th, and that he left on "amicable terms." AMD said it was his decision to leave and praised his work. While Nvidia wouldn't confirm or deny that he was hired to try to take the console gaming market back, a spokesperson told the Journal that he would "help us think through current and possible future technology licensing projects."
Feldstein was hardly the first high-profile departure from AMD in recent months. The company lost graphics CTO Eric Demers to Qualcomm back in February of this year, and laid off a VP among 1,400 workers in November. SVP Rick Bergman left in September, and former CEO Dirk Meyer resigned last January

Sounds to me, like lots of long time employees disgruntled , laid off and or leaving. This law suit might have no merit, other than AMD, worried about console wins looking less impressive as the VP who brokered them, leaves for the competition.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Sounds to me, like lots of long time employees disgruntled , laid off and or leaving. This law suit might have no merit, other than AMD, worried about console wins looking less impressive as the VP who brokered them, leaves for the competition.

😀

Good stuff man, good stuff.

 

[3DVagabond]

No...you just keep showing your innocent face, I don't care.
But DO wake me up when NVIDIA gets invloved in this.

Untill then...have a happy day trying to make it so..

You sure do make a lot of accusations for someone who doesn't care. Keep trying to connect the dots where none exist.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You sure do make a lot of accusations for someone who doesn't care. Keep trying to connect the dots where none exist.

I love the irony ^^

 

[3DVagabond]

I love the irony ^^

What Irony? What are you talking about? Why don't you just say whatever it is straight out, instead of these little quips that have nothing to do with the thread or anything I've said?

I asked a simple question. No accusations. No hidden meaning. While they haven't been accused of anything their name is associated with it. I'm curious if they've made any statement about it, is all.

 

[SirPauly]

Ex-AMD Workers at Nvidia Lose Bid to End Secrets Lawsuit

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...t-nvidia-lose-bid-to-end-secrets-lawsuit.html

 

[Vesku]

Will be interesting to see how this concludes. The Judge is stating that the evidence for mass amounts of documents being downloaded is established enough for going to trial. One of the people subject to this suit released the rough estimate of the MS Xbox One contract value through his Linkedin profile.

 

[Kenmitch]

Will be interesting to see how this concludes. The Judge is stating that the evidence for mass amounts of documents being downloaded is established enough for going to trial. One of the people subject to this suit released the rough estimate of the MS Xbox One contract value through his Linkedin profile.

I take it the guys involved are still ex-AMD employees and not the ex-AMD, ex-Nvidia current AMD employees.

I wonder if the ex-AMD, ex-Nvidia current AMD employees can shed some light on how these stolen documents helped Nvidia to be competitive.

 

[Vesku]

They can (it is legal in most if not all states afaik) run things by these ex-AMD and they can state their opinion based on their knowledge as long as they don't reveal the detailed reasoning behind their opinion. The reason this is in court is because you aren't supposed to be referring to former company private documents but what you retained in your head from working there.

From what has been released by the courts it appears that AMD had solid file tracking methods on their network so they may not want or need AMD-Nvidia-AMD employees to give testimony.