AMD commentary

[clarkey01]

Maybe some members may look down at me and say Im being an AMD fanboy or I am at the wrong place to rant but I want to invite other peoples views on commentary on recent events in the CPU world concerning Intel & AMD from overclockers.com

Despite the following they still find the need to project to all the readers that AMD is in doom and gloom mode and have NOTHING to cheer about, despite having :

? 4 consecutive profitable quarters
? The highest Performing high end part on the desktop ( FX 55)
? The 4000+, 3800+ beating Intel?s best in most tests, and crushes them in games
? Fab 36 on the way, double capacity (roughly, I am nto to sure on the wafer starts per week)
? Having made the 90 nm transition with little problems although taking their time
? Having a cooler running chip
? AMD chips (Winchester in particular being great overclockers)
? Having a CPU that consumes less power, a lot less then Intels.
? Having lead the way for x86-64 ( Intel claims they invented it)
? Opteron making inroads however small in the server market
? Partnership with IBM on technology fronts such as 65 nm, 45 nm, SOI etc aswell
? Capacity within IBM?s east fish kill plant
? AMD leading the way on dual core
? Semprons beating equivalent Celerons

But they still feel the need to p*ss on AMD?s fire and give the picture that all is not well at all. Why ? Does it not seem Intel is having more problems then AMD recently? Intel needs AMD, we need AMD. I would go on but I got tonsillitis and Im off to bed. I own Intel rigs so before some one points the finger ! lol. (2.8c , celeron 900, and I have a slot One PII 350 Mhz chip on my desk with an Intel tech fab man next to it)

 

[Wingznut]

I guess I'd need to see the exact article you are referring to...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

ED armchair quarterbacking is nothing new While he makes some valid points, my opinion is he thinks like a techie and not a experienced entrepreneur.

 

[Wingznut]

And yes, you are a fanboy, clarkey.

Ask yourself this... If this Ed guy were to be "projecting doom and gloom" for Intel, would you still have questioned it?

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
And yes, you are a fanboy, clarkey.

Ask yourself this... If this Ed guy were to be "projecting doom and gloom" for Intel, would you still have questioned it?

i would questioning who hacked his site.

 

[clarkey01]

well with your sig Wingznut I could say the same for you. If I am an AMD fanboy why do I own Intel rigs ? Surely a fanboy would always choose his side even if his side had a lesser product ?

Why did I choose an 2.8C over an 2800 xp ?

Would I take a 3200 xp over a 3.2 Ghz P4 ? no way.

Im after input, insights, not smart arse commments that dont really contribute to the topic

 

[gururu]

you have to consider this. Dell is the largest mover of pcs in the country. And only now, at the end of the P4 life cycle, have they given the go ahead for a full line of AMD-based computers. this if anything should tell you that AMD has not had as great an impact on the pc world as it has had on the tech enthusiast worlld. AMD is the the little train that evidently can, but if they slip for even one second, they are going to get trounced. If the next Intel chip is faster, it could break AMDs back.

 

[clarkey01]

"If this Ed guy were to be "projecting doom and gloom" for Intel, would you still have questioned it"

Yes, things are hard rite now, well, maybe not even that bad, to the average joe they seem as if Intel is on a calm see. Intel in 04 have had bad execution and I believe netburst was a bad move to begin, hell Bob comwell (spelling) left because he had a hard time telling Andy Grove that netburst wasn?t going anywhere. It doesn?t matter to Intel if they have to can Tejas/Nehalem, the public will buy whatever they put out, Intel have been on the back foot and still have the cheek to claim they invented x86-64, they also claim they knew dual core was coming?


Sure, if they knew dual core was coming then why was Tejas, Nehalem (10.25 Ghz) on the roadmaps well into 06?

 

[biostud]

It will be very interesting to see what intel is going to show up with instead of p4.

 

[socket]

isnt it like intel needs amd and amd needs intel just like a few years back when apple was having problems microsoft helped bail them out because microsoft needs macintosh just like macintosh needs microsoft? i mean can't the 2 compete in a free world and sit side by side on some things? just like no one said that you cant have 3 gaming consoles either gamecube,ps2,xbox but all 3 have survived

 

[clarkey01]

The only AMD will get to the top or even near is if IBM bought it.

 

[imported_Computer MAn]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
The only AMD will get to the top or even near is if IBM bought it.

Yep even though they have the superior product the average joe can just not believe a 3.2 ghz Celeron can be beat by a 2.6ghz FX-55. And I'm sure if you asked 20 people you find on the street around 15 or more have never even heard of AMD. AMD just doesn't have the reputation of Intel to get to the top

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Intel have been on the back foot and still have the cheek to claim they invented x86-64, they also claim they knew dual core was coming?

Intel never stated that they "invented" x86-64. And this is why I say you are a fanboy... You'll take one (rather poor, even by their standards) article from theinquirer and run with it, without even questioning the headline. (Not to mention the content doesn't even support the headline.)

Second, it takes anywhere from 4-6 years to develop and manufacture a processor. So, it's not like Intel just started planning dual core this spring. (Same goes for AMD.)

As for my sig, I'll explain it for the hundredth time... It's the truth. Although Intel pays my salary, every single thing I post is of my own opinion. (Take note how that guy spoke a few sentences to the Inquirer and now they are proclaiming "INTEL SAID".)

But I wouldn't call myself a fanboy, as I don't go around bashing any companies, or those who speak poorly of my favorite, or pick and choose what articles to champion on the 'net, etc. (And if you don't believe me, I dare you to find one quote from me where I knock AMD, or suggest to anyone not to buy AMD, etc...)



Btw, you never pointed out what article you are referring to.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, wingz, I have never heard you say something bad about AMD. On the other hand, no matter how much they dominate a particular segment (gaming, ot the Opterons as of late) I have never heard you recommend an AMD anything to anybody. Then again, maybe I haven't read every thread here.....

 

[Malak]

I dunno, right now it seems like they both suck. AMD can't get those clock cycles up to par with Intel, but Intel can't make those clock cycles as efficient as AMD's. Seems like both have a flaw that is counter to the other's strength. Where's that magical third company that's going to make a chip that has none of the weaknesses and all of the strengths? I'd switch in a heartbeat.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Yes, wingz, I have never heard you say something bad about AMD. On the other hand, no matter how much they dominate a particular segment (gaming, ot the Opterons as of late) I have never heard you recommend an AMD anything to anybody. Then again, maybe I haven't read every thread here.....

And you've never seen me recommend Intel either.

I've learned to just stay away from such things altogether.


Working at Intel, I probably know the industry a bit different than most people here. And when possible, I really enjoy sharing that insight. But as for suggesting one processor over another, it's pretty much a no win situation for me. So, I just steer clear and let others do that.

 

[Zebo]

There are basically two types of people clarkey. Half empty and half full. Unfortunatly 99% of the hardware pimps are half full types giving rosey product reviews for continued support, inside scoops and product to review from manufactures. Ed's not. He's a scienist by trade which lends itself to pessimism.

 

[Wingznut]

Zebo, do you know what article(s) clarkey is talking about?

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Zebo, do you know what article(s) clarkey is talking about?

Maybe it's ED from http://www.overclockers.com/ ??

 

[Zebo]

I guess this one:

http://overclockers.com/articles1151

Or just about anyone....but this one covers 3 pages and hits a lot of bases?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: malak
I dunno, right now it seems like they both suck. AMD can't get those clock cycles up to par with Intel, but Intel can't make those clock cycles as efficient as AMD's. Seems like both have a flaw that is counter to the other's strength. Where's that magical third company that's going to make a chip that has none of the weaknesses and all of the strengths? I'd switch in a heartbeat.

As far sa I can see both intel and AMD make processors that runs every program I know just fine. I'm not quite sure what more you would expect. Not that I don't want faster processors, but I'm pretty sure that IBM, AMD and Intel all would like to have "the fastest" processor, and therfore I'm pretty sure if they had some magic bunny in their hat they would pull it.......but I'm also pretty sure they would first pull at the moment it would render most $$$.

 

[Zebo]

AMD can't get those clock cycles up to par with Intel, but Intel can't make those clock cycles as efficient as AMD's.

:roll:

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: malak
I dunno, right now it seems like they both suck. AMD can't get those clock cycles up to par with Intel, but Intel can't make those clock cycles as efficient as AMD's. Seems like both have a flaw that is counter to the other's strength. Where's that magical third company that's going to make a chip that has none of the weaknesses and all of the strengths? I'd switch in a heartbeat.

malaka = greek for stupid/dummy

no, i'm not joking.

 

[syconub]

Originally posted by: gururu
you have to consider this. Dell is the largest mover of pcs in the country. And only now, at the end of the P4 life cycle, have they given the go ahead for a full line of AMD-based computers. this if anything should tell you that AMD has not had as great an impact on the pc world as it has had on the tech enthusiast worlld. AMD is the the little train that evidently can, but if they slip for even one second, they are going to get trounced. If the next Intel chip is faster, it could break AMDs back.

they wont slip.... theyre far from being trounced

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
ED armchair quarterbacking is nothing new While he makes some valid points, my opinion is he thinks like a techie and not a experienced entrepreneur.

Yeah.. Seen some of the commentary about Ed and Overclockers.com on AcesHardware? Some of it is pretty brutal - and usually correct. It does appear that Ed, for whatever reason, deeply resents AMD's sucesses in the market recently, and wants to spin them as negatively as possible, in ever way possible. Just speaking in general, haven't been there to read for several months.