Amd claiming gtx 580 faster than cayman. Reason for delay. Rumours. Need to re adjust

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Sickamore

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AMD's PR has come up with a new PR statement in which they try to explain why they have delayed the Cayman card. Back at Los Angeles, at the Barts HD 6870 and 6850 presentation, they said that Cayman should launch in late November and now the new date is the week of December 13th aka week 50th.

Here is the official note and then we will translate it to real non-PR language. We only wish George Carlin was around to lend us a hand.

“Demand for the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series continues to be very strong, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 remains the fastest graphics card in the world and the newest members of the AMD graphics family, the AMD Radeon HD 6850 and HD 6870, have set new standards for performance at their respective price points, and are available in volume.

With that in mind, we are going to take a bit more time before shipping the AMD Radeon HD 6900 series. As of today, the NDA lift for information relating to the AMD Radeon HD 6950 and HD 6970 will be week 50. We will be providing additional information on these products, including the exact date and time of the NDA lift, in the weeks prior to launch." said Chris Hook and his crack spinner team.

This is how you should read it. Our dual-chip is still the fastest but we dropped it to below €400 to put more pressure on Nvidia, simply as Cayman might not be fast enough to beat the GTX 580, at least not the original spec.

We (AMD) now have three more weeks to try to get more performance and do some additional testing and hope that Cayman HD 6970 and 6950 will be enough to beat the GTX 580.

The card will barely make for Christmas but for most of people mid-December is too late for Xmas shopping. Let’s hope for AMD’s sake that the tweaked Cayman Radeon HD 6970 can beat the GTX 580, but considering the delays, this is becoming increasingly unlikely. We are giving Nvidia a three week advantage because we have to, not because we like to.

One more thing, component shortage is not the reason for the delay, we got that cleared out as Barts had the same issue, and still launched / shipped on time.

Antilles, Radeon HD 6990 dual card now slip into 2011 and it looks that Nvidia's dual-card comes in 2011 as well. We we're hoping to see both of them before the end of the year, but it appears that both the red and the green team had to change their plans.


http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20836-amd-officialy-comments-cayman-delay





There's already a thread here regarding this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2119332


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Sickamore

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Jus more info and light on some things. I dont like to read the stuff. As i go along i will keep posting more info in the rumour thread.
 

WelshBloke

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Is the HD6970 supposed to beat the GTX580?

AMD don't normally make a big push to get the fastest single GPU card.

I'm gonna guess that the HD6970 will be between the GTX480 and 580 in performance. And I think that would be a good result.

It gives AMD the space to put out a dual GPU card as well. Does anyone really expect the HD6970 to OMGPAWZERIZE the GTX580?
 

WelshBloke

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The op needs to change the topic to. Post all cayman info and rumours here. Because the topic didnt say anything about cayman thread. Just said about delaying.


Moderator is it possible to place this thread in cayman thread please. Due to many cayman thread. Just need to put it under one topic.

AMD's Cayman - HD 6900 series info delayed till week of Dec 13th
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You could have used this one instead if you didnt like the others title

Seriously all these are on the front page.

Thats your thread as well!!!!
 
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We (AMD) now have three more weeks to try to get more performance and do some additional testing and hope that Cayman HD 6970 and 6950 will be enough to beat the GTX 580.

What does this mean? If they said "hope that Cayman HD 6970 will be enough to beat the GTX 580" I would understand that Cayman is slower than the GTX 580 right now and they are using the extra time to tune it to match the GTX 580, but adding in the 6950 confuses me. Does this sorta imply they even want the 6950 to be around GTX 580 performance? That would blow away my expectations for the 6950.
 

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What does this mean? If they said "hope that Cayman HD 6970 will be enough to beat the GTX 580" I would understand that Cayman is slower than the GTX 580 right now and they are using the extra time to tune it to match the GTX 580, but adding in the 6950 confuses me. Does this sorta imply they even want the 6950 to be around GTX 580 performance? That would blow away my expectations for the 6950.


My Take :


6970 - Faster then 480 by a hair
6950 - faster then 470 by 5%
 

Jdawg84

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I see absolutely no way that's true, the 6870 is almost as fast as the 470 right now. I would doubt the 6950 is slower than the 480.

Making the 6950 as fast as the 480 would be a mistake IMO and i don't see it happening.
 

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What is with the thread title? It seems the author of the article is claiming this and not AMD?
 

Jdawg84

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So why then would aiming at 480 speeds with the 6950 be a mistake? Its all still 40 nm

From everything i've read the 6970 is going to be a good 10% slower then the 580. Making the 6950 faster then the 480 just closes the gap between it and the 6970.
 

sawtx

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I imagine the 570 will be as fast as the current 480

Which makes your performance guess even worse.

So AMD goes from a 5850 that can keep up with the 470 and is ~40% faster than the 5770 to a 6950 that is slightly faster than a 470, 10% faster than the 6870, and can't keep up with the 570.

From everything i've read the 6970 is going to be a good 10% slower then the 580. Making the 6950 faster then the 480 just closes the gap between it and the 6970.

Really, I've been seeing some leaks that the 6970 is at least as fast as the 580.
 

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This is how you should read it. Our dual-chip is still the fastest but we dropped it to below €400 to put more pressure on Nvidia, simply as Cayman might not be fast enough to beat the GTX 580, at least not the original spec.

We (AMD) now have three more weeks to try to get more performance and do some additional testing and hope that Cayman HD 6970 and 6950 will be enough to beat the GTX 580.
WTF? This isn't even a quote from Chris at AMD.
The above text is Fudzilla stupidly using some kind of "royal we" in a(lame) attempt to parse what was said previously into something from the same source.
Give it a rest please,this is annoying and borderline propaganda getting touted as quoted fact.
 
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