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Discussion AMD Cezanne/Zen 3 APU Speculation and Discussion

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moinmoin

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I mean, you can argue all day about how open the PC platform compared to consoles, but isn't really a strong selling point against consoles. Majority of consumers doesn't give a damn about openness of the platform over convenience and ease to use factor.
Console markets are certainly successful, but gaming on PC is also increasing. Steam is constantly increasing its user base worldwide, and with console game prices increasing again a PC with its relative abundance of bargain sources is a good alternate in the long run more cost efficient choice in a lot of countries. Just looking at the Steam survey results should give you an idea how varied the markets are and how prevalent lower budget gaming with integrated graphics really is.
 

JasonLD

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Just looking at the Steam survey results should give you an idea how varied the markets are and how prevalent lower budget gaming with integrated graphics really is.
Given the majority of PCs sold are sold with just integrated graphics without gaming in consideration, that isn't a surprising figure. However, I don't see that part of the market being financially prevalent enough for hardware manufacturers and even developers to take notice, since I expect majority of Steam gaming purchases will be skewed toward the ones with dedicated GPU.
 

moinmoin

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since I expect majority of Steam gaming purchases will be skewed toward the ones with dedicated GPU.
I would expect not (at least not quantity, but likely revenue). Hard to argue either way without a solid figure from Valve itself though.
 

fleshconsumed

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Just got open box 5600G from Microcenter for $220 tax included. I'm guessing someone returned it because it wouldn't work in their system without BIOS flash and they couldn't figure it out/didn't want to bother. This one went into my HTPC. Originally wanted to get a B550 motherboard to go along with it, but then decided to just stick with B450 and upgrade BIOS instead. I had to install Radeon drivers to get sleep option back (it disappeared after CPU swap), but otherwise it works well, PLEX player UI seems to be a bit more responsive, but that could be just confirmation bias. Now if only AMD released R3 APUs into retail channel...
 

fleshconsumed

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There is no reason to spend on a B550 board, since Cezanne is PCIe 3.0 only. Which is the main point of B550/X570. You're not missing any features on B450.
Good point on the PCIe 4.0. I was really surprised these APUs lack 4.0 when I checked, but I suppose that makes sense given the what they are.

I did have another reason I wanted to get a new motherboard, the AsRock b450m pro4 that I use in my HTPC occasionally resets BIOS settings to defaults when we lose power. Really bugs me especially since this is the second Asrock AM4 motherboard that does it to me. Not sure if it's just a flaky motherboard or a BIOS issue. I briefly pondered about just getting a b550 board to fix it, but b550 boards are way more expensive and I'm hoping that new BIOS will solve the resetting to defaults issue.
 

LightningZ71

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On the bottom end of the market, there is VERY little price difference between the low to mid B550 Boards and the entry X570 boards. When my son replaced his bricked B450 Pro 4 a few months back, we found that halfway decent B550 boards were within $20 of the low end X570 boards without offering any sort of advantages over them. We chose the x570 for its greater variety of supported processors and other platform features as well as the basic features it has over the B550 when he decides to upgrade his current processor in the future. There are a surprising number of X570 boards available in the sub $175 range, and if you are ok with refurbs, even down to ~$125.
 

Insert_Nickname

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I did have another reason I wanted to get a new motherboard, the AsRock b450m pro4 that I use in my HTPC occasionally resets BIOS settings to defaults when we lose power. Really bugs me especially since this is the second Asrock AM4 motherboard that does it to me. Not sure if it's just a flaky motherboard or a BIOS issue.
Odd. Could also be a flaky button cell. Worth checking.
 
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dainthomas

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Just got open box 5600G from Microcenter for $220 tax included. I'm guessing someone returned it because it wouldn't work in their system without BIOS flash and they couldn't figure it out/didn't want to bother. This one went into my HTPC. Originally wanted to get a B550 motherboard to go along with it, but then decided to just stick with B450 and upgrade BIOS instead. I had to install Radeon drivers to get sleep option back (it disappeared after CPU swap), but otherwise it works well, PLEX player UI seems to be a bit more responsive, but that could be just confirmation bias. Now if only AMD released R3 APUs into retail channel...
I definitely noticed the UI on my Plex player was much snappier after upgrading.
 

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New model MinisForum EliteMini X500 with R7 5700G.

 

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