AMD breaks 25% barrier in professional graphics market in Q2 2014

raghu78

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http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...breaks-out-to-record-setting-quarter-in-q214/

Worldwide, the industry shipped approximately 1.05 million workstations in the second quarter, corresponding to growth of 10.8% sequentially and 11.5%, year-over-year (YoY). AMD have succeeded in improving market share in pro graphics and finally now have 25% market share. The Mac Pro is one of the reasons for this success. nVIDIA is still the dominant leader with a 74% market share. :thumbsup:
 

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I doubt they are making typical workstation graphics margins on the Mac Pro's though. I had read the reason the Mac's had such favorable pricing was because AMD cut them some killer deals. Of course, Mac does their own support, so it's hard to charge them heaps more for pro graphics.
 

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I doubt they are making typical workstation graphics margins on the Mac Pro's though. I had read the reason the Mac's had such favorable pricing was because AMD cut them some killer deals. Of course, Mac does their own support, so it's hard to charge them heaps more for pro graphics.

For AMD Mac pro margins will be higher than corporate average of 35%. so its still a net win.
 
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I didn't think they could take much Marketshare away from NV due to the widespread usage of CUDA, but this is a surprise.

OpenCL finally gaining widespread support?
 

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How do you know this?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/248...-technology-conference-transcript?part=single

So, what do you think beyond the 50-50 mix of your revenues, when you come out the other side, what sort of profitability metrics, what sort of margins do you aspire to with that revenue mix?
Rory Read - President and CEO
Well, what you want you to do is you want to mix up to a higher margin over time. In the tactical timeframe, even if you go back to that earnings call in October of 2012 we laid out, hey, we’re going to break-even at such and such a dollar at $450 million. Everyone calculated that of about 35% gross margin which is about where we ran the business.

What we’re doing right now as we diversify the portfolio, as we’re trying to mix into more margin accretive business, as Pro Graphics, it’s going to be in the, what, 50% to 70% gross margin range. The areas like dense server, getting back in the server with the next generation ARM architected solution and with the x86 core that's going to be very attractive. That's going to run in what 55% to 65% gross margin.Then you look at businesses like embedded that should be 50% to 60%. These are industry kinds of numbers.


And you like that stickiness about them because they last longer. And the semi-custom space, the earlier ones are at a lower gross margin because we got so much NRE to build those businesses, but as time goes on I would expect that you will see us perform at more consistent gross margins for the segments that those semi-custom products are in. Okay, so I would look for it to improve in ‘16 and ‘17 et cetera by mixing up throughout this.And even in the PC space look at the work that we're doing to move into commercial, that's really good work and into the workstation pace and Pro Graphics, win with the winners, HP, Dell, Lenovo, make sure that we are getting architecturally relevant with them and we have a diverse portfolio, you don’t want to have a business where it’s centered all over entry consumer notebook, that's not the right space. We're diversifying into commercial and look at the progress we’ve made. I'm working with Lisa and John Byrne we're selling to marquee commercial customers this summer with the first launch of those products, that's good progress.
 
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raghu78

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Sorry, where's the Mac Pro margins?

Rory Read mentions Pro graphics at 50 - 70%. even the bottom end of that range is more than corporate average. you are not going to get exact margins on a particular OEM deal.
 

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Mac pro margins is probably pretty decent, especially since they're not "real" firepro's, so they don't need to be supported as such.
 

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Mac pro margins is probably pretty decent, especially since they're not "real" firepro's, so they don't need to be supported as such.
Gross margin percentage is a calculation based on the cost of goods to produce a widget and the revenue you derive from it. The NRE required to support it (driver development etc.) is not part of it.
If each individual FirePro card goes through validation steps (hot chamber test, burn-in test etc.) then that cost is part of the gross margins, if it's done by AMD and not by Apple. If those validation tests are only done once on qualification samples, then it's not.
We don't know if each individual FirePro (and Quadro) goes through these kind of validation tests, much less if those tests are done by AMD or by Apple, and we don't know if Apple pays more or less for a FirePro that usual.
Basically, we can little to no information at all about whether or not the GMs of the Apple deal are smaller or larger than usual.
 

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Rory Read mentions Pro graphics at 50 - 70%. even the bottom end of that range is more than corporate average. you are not going to get exact margins on a particular OEM deal.

And yet AMD's discrete graphics business was down Q-Q and Y-Y in revenue and ASP. They dont get these margins because they are selling at much lower prices.

nVidia's margins for Quadro is around 70%.
 

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Fire pro W9100 review at xbitlabs :

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-firepro-w9100.html

Our tests of the FirePro W9100 graphics card leave no doubt that AMD has serious plans about the professional market. The card is the kind of flagship product AMD lacked in the past. Based on the Hawaii GPU, it is considerably faster than its Tahiti-based predecessors and can challenge Nvidia's professional solutions across most CAD/CAM and GPGPU applications

No wonder that they got 25% of the pro GFX market, seems that it s only
a first step when looking at the performances.
 

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The recent firepro is really good value compared to nvidia's quadro. Kepler isn't much of an upgrade over fermi due to reduced DP in a lot of things unless you are looking at a GK110 derivative.
 

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DP floating point perf is the big plus, provided they keep an advantage in this department they can only increase their market share even on the short term, we ll see at the publication of this quarter s numbers, they should confirm the current trend.
 

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DP floating point perf is the big plus, provided they keep an advantage in this department they can only increase their market share even on the short term, we ll see at the publication of this quarter s numbers, they should confirm the current trend.

If they improve their drivers more they certainly have more room to grow. In your link a lot of time the K5000 beats the W9100 due to better drivers.
 

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If they improve their drivers more they certainly have more room to grow. In your link a lot of time the K5000 beats the W9100 due to better drivers.

The apps are better optimized for nVidia hardware, too. Guess what brand of card is going to be in every Autodesk, Maxon, and NewTek workstation? It's not as simple as "better drivers".
 

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Doesn't Nvidia license it's video technology to Intel? Why would they continue to do that and allow Intel's IGPU to eat into it's sale?