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AMD Board with SidePort Memory

Dahak

Diamond Member
Hey all,

Time to rebuild my moms computer, getting annoying when trying to fix it, even when using it.

Anyway is it worth getting a board with the sideport memory for the integrated video or not?
The price different between some of the board that I'm looking at is about $20-$25.

The machine use is main office work/ light gaming.

The cpu I'm considering is a AMD Athlon II X2 250

Some of the boards im considering are
ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO this one has the sideport

or

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H

Trying to stay with MicroATX and the SB710 so I can have the 1 IDE port for the hard drive that I can reuse
 
I don't recall the number(10% IIRC), but it does improve things for some situations. Depending on the Games it might be useful.
 
For $10 more, I'd say go for it.

But it's certainly not worth $20, considering you can occasionally find deals for a Radeon HD4550 512MB for that price after MIR. Right now on newegg, I see $32 after MIR.
 
Yea most of the games that she plays are like the small hidden object games from real arcade and such so I figured that if it decent enough for them I would get the board with the sideport.

If not I do have a spare 5450 512mb card lying around I can throw in it

trying to keep costs down
 
Yea most of the games that she plays are like the small hidden object games from real arcade and such so I figured that if it decent enough for them I would get the board with the sideport.

If not I do have a spare 5450 512mb card lying around I can throw in it

trying to keep costs down

For those games Sideport-less 785G is more than fast enough. Save the cash.

If you aren't reusing DDR2 get an AM3 board instead.
 
I would just go with an intel or nvidia board (and intel CPU).

;-) Sorry couldn't resist but with all the AMD/ATI driver issues, I would stay away from AMD/ATI chipsets and graphics.
 
I would just go with an intel or nvidia board (and intel CPU).

;-) Sorry couldn't resist but with all the AMD/ATI driver issues, I would stay away from AMD/ATI chipsets and graphics.

785G and 5770 user here. That is simply not true unless you run Linux.

In fact, Nvidia is far and away the WORST out of the three chipset makers. Their last chipset that actually works perfectly was Nforce 2 and that was like how long ago? After that it went downhill that it couldn't fix the longstanding SATA data corruption even on the 790i and this is used on $300 mobos. Jeebus.
 
785G and 5770 user here. That is simply not true unless you run Linux.

In fact, Nvidia is far and away the WORST out of the three chipset makers. Their last chipset that actually works perfectly was Nforce 2 and that was like how long ago? After that it went downhill that it couldn't fix the longstanding SATA data corruption even on the 790i and this is used on $300 mobos. Jeebus.

True. At the same time you have all the driver issues with AMD/ATI (e.g. ~35% speed reduction of SSDs if you use AHCI)
 
care to back up these claims? i havent heard anything about this myself, but if you give me reason i can go check my friends system. currently 785G/5770 and its definitely more responsive with its 60gb SSD + win7 fresh install (quicker boot and application load times across the board) vs my system with a 256gb of the same indilinx drive. this is the first i have heard of any issues related to AMD AHCI performance

ed: i should note, my friends system and mine are both win7 fresh installs with AHCI enabled in bios
 
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care to back up these claims? i havent heard anything about this myself, but if you give me reason i can go check my friends system. currently 785G/5770 and its definitely more responsive with its 60gb SSD + win7 fresh install (quicker boot and application load times across the board) vs my system with a 256gb of the same indilinx drive. this is the first i have heard of any issues related to AMD AHCI performance

ed: i should note, my friends system and mine are both win7 fresh installs with AHCI enabled in bios

It certainly doesn't perform as well as Intel's, but that's another issue.
 
Well their AHCI implementation has been broke for a long time. High CPU load for decent performance or just lousy performance in general.

Anyways, for you mom the standard board should be fine.
 
If you have to get new RAM, pick an AM3 motherboard. The benefits of an AM3 motherboard compared to an AM2+ is DDR3. Since sideport uses DDR3, there will not be a penalty in bandwidth because both the physical memory and sideport is DDR3. Though even the use of sideport, physical memory is taken up, but only half as much with sideport compared to with out sideport.

Another motherboard that could include in your selection is the following.

MSI 785GM-E65
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813130233

The heatsink for the chipset is oversized, so the components should last longer than the motherboards you selected

If the games that your mom plays are Flash based, I can understand that you picked a fast processor like the AMD Athlon II 250. You probably see a better gains by using a Phenom II X2 555 BE. Some motherboards includes an switch in Windows to overclock the processor and/or memory. Your mom could switch to overclock the processor to like to where higher end processors are clocked and then switch it back to stock speeds.


In fact, Nvidia is far and away the WORST out of the three chipset makers. Their last chipset that actually works perfectly was Nforce 2 and that was like how long ago? After that it went downhill that it couldn't fix the longstanding SATA data corruption even on the 790i and this is used on $300 mobos. Jeebus.
This is half true. Any third-party chipset used for Intel processors, will have problems. Using any third-party chipset for AMD processors, will not have problems. It has been like this for years.

It is best to stick with Intel genuine parts for Intel processors. For AMD processors, any chipset manufacture can be used.


Sorry couldn't resist but with all the AMD/ATI driver issues, I would stay away from AMD/ATI chipsets and graphics.
I partially agree, but I see no problems with AMD chipsets before the ATI merge and after. Though ATI graphics drivers are pathetic in any operating system and nVidia is the best writing software and drivers for any operating system.

I am not a fan of nVidia, but I am a fan of reliability and stability. I pick nVidia because they write reliable and stable software.


care to back up these claims? i havent heard anything about this myself, but if you give me reason i can go check my friends system. currently 785G/5770 and its definitely more responsive with its 60gb SSD + win7 fresh install (quicker boot and application load times across the board) vs my system with a 256gb of the same indilinx drive. this is the first i have heard of any issues related to AMD AHCI performance

ed: i should note, my friends system and mine are both win7 fresh installs with AHCI enabled in bios
I can be guinea pig to back up the claims. Any of the systems have a reduction of performance using AHCI. This is on any chipset that supports AHCI. Also any operating that I tested has reduced performance when using AHCI. I tested on AMD 780G and Intel 965GM. They both have poor performance using AHCI. When they are switch to SATA, RAID, or PATA, the performance is back to normal.

You need to understand that AHCI is designed to simplify the use of a storage controller. Usually during installing any operating system, the driver for the storage controller may not be included, but the AHCI driver is most likely to be included these days. You can then switch to AHCI mode and install the operating system using that option until you can find the real driver. AHCI is basically a wrapper or a layer to provide some sort of compatibility. It is not the next specification to replace SATA. AHCI should be used as a last resort option. Also the AHCI should never be a replacement of the real storage controller driver. The best performance is use to the storage controller's driver even though it is proprietary.
 
Yea most of the games that she plays are like the small hidden object games from real arcade and such so I figured that if it decent enough for them I would get the board with the sideport.

If not I do have a spare 5450 512mb card lying around I can throw in it

trying to keep costs down

Sounds like your mom plays the same type of games my mom does. When I built my mom a computer I used a 785G board with the sideport memory and it works great without any problems for her.
 
I would just go with an intel or nvidia board (and intel CPU).

;-) Sorry couldn't resist but with all the AMD/ATI driver issues, I would stay away from AMD/ATI chipsets and graphics.


My AMD drivers run just fine. Might just be buggy hacked versions of windoz that have issues ?
 
Sounds like your mom plays the same type of games my mom does. When I built my mom a computer I used a 785G board with the sideport memory and it works great without any problems for her.

sounds good, now just have to plan on what and when to purchase the stuff
 
My AMD drivers run just fine. Might just be buggy hacked versions of windoz that have issues ?

No. All AMD chipset drivers have issues when AHCI is enabled.
Probably not so noticeable on HDD systems (where AHCI is not really beneficial anyhow) but with an SSD you will see performance 20-45% below the supposed SSD transfer speeds (verifiable via benchmarks).
 
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