AMD Athlon X4 860K review @ pcpop

[lyssword]

omg why is no one reviewing this chip? this is like the only amd's weapon vs 3258 at $70-80 range

 

[mizzou]

Ummmmmm so is this maybe a good upgrade from a 965be??

 

[crashtech]

Ummmmmm so is this maybe a good upgrade from a 965be??

Maybe, clock for clock it should average around 20-25% better throughput, if you have a really good overclocking chip it might not be real noticeable of an upgrade unless you OC the 860K at least as much.

 

[mizzou]

Maybe, clock for clock it should average around 20-25% better throughput, if you have a really good overclocking chip it might not be real noticeable of an upgrade unless you OC the 860K at least as much.

I'm at 3.6Ghz on air with the 965be

Ugh, I can't believe CPU's haven't really gained much in the speed department.

 

[Spawne32]

Would you take a shot at the dolphin benchmark I posted earlier?

I'm also interested in NB overclocking. Also, any way to test power consumption? Mostly interested in stock vs highest OC load consumption.

 

[crashtech]

I'm at 3.6Ghz on air with the 965be

Ugh, I can't believe CPU's haven't really gained much in the speed department.

Well, AMD has had a rough time improving their CPU's IPC, which is why they also market 6 and 8 core chips to compensate for this deficiency for power users. But as you can see from this thread, the 860K should be capable of far more than 3.6GHz, depending on what you do and what you expect, it is definitely a step up.

 

[Abwx]

Ummmmmm so is this maybe a good upgrade from a 965be??

From a 965 the next really good and noticeable upgrade is a FX8350, or any 8C FX, if the MB support it.

 

[crashtech]

It's interesting to note that the 8350 has slightly worse IPC than the 860K, to me this fast Kaveri Steamroller, unencumbered by a heat making iGPU, is the most compelling AMD CPU currently available.

Too bad it didn't come out sooner, and in an 8 core variety.

 

[Spawne32]

It's interesting to note that the 8350 has slightly worse IPC than the 860K, to me this fast Kaveri Steamroller, unencumbered by a heat making iGPU, is the most compelling AMD CPU currently available.

Too bad it didn't come out sooner, and in an 8 core variety.

It's a good bit faster then my 8320 was running @ 4ghz in most applications that people as well as myself actually use. That's mostly single threaded and gaming tasks. Id say on the order of between 10-20% depending on what your actually doing. As far as things that actually required multi threading, thats where it suffered, but not by much at all. My Performance test 8 scores were almost on par with the 8320 @ stock speeds. For an 83 dollar processor, that to me is ideal. The AM3+ platform suffers from bad chipsets, its a deadend, especially if your an mATX builder like I am, I was stuck on the 760G chipset from 2008.

 

[Abwx]

It's interesting to note that the 8350 has slightly worse IPC than the 860K, to me this fast Kaveri, unencumbered by a heat making iGPU, is the most compelling AMD CPU currently available.

Yes but the FX has generaly a higher frequency potential, there s a case where a 4C Kaveri could make sense even against a 8350 though, it s if you do some X264 encoding , there the IPC difference per module can be as high as 20%, a 860K at 4.5 would reach 74% of the stock 8350 throughput with 75-80W TDP at most.

 

[monstercameron]

It's interesting to note that the 8350 has slightly worse IPC than the 860K, to me this fast Kaveri Steamroller, unencumbered by a heat making iGPU, is the most compelling AMD CPU currently available.

Too bad it didn't come out sooner, and in an 8 core variety.

why do you have to make me depressed, they have steamroller and they can't even fracking update the fx chips. So disappointing. IDK if it has been stated before but what are the OCs we are seeing for this chip?

 

[lyssword]

It's interesting to note that the 8350 has slightly worse IPC than the 860K, to me this fast Kaveri Steamroller, unencumbered by a heat making iGPU, is the most compelling AMD CPU currently available.

Too bad it didn't come out sooner, and in an 8 core variety.

Honestly, 860k looks like a better chip than fx6300 (which was a great value) for gaming ! Need confirmation tho.

 

[Spawne32]

why do you have to make me depressed, they have steamroller and they can't even fracking update the fx chips. So disappointing. IDK if it has been stated before but what are the OCs we are seeing for this chip?

Any of the FM2+ chips based on steamroller, as far as I have seen, do 4.5ghz easily. Above that they exponentially require more voltage per 100mhz. 4.6ghz was as high as I was able to push mine comfortably without getting over 1.6v.

 

[SPBHM]

Honestly, 860k looks like a better chip than fx6300 (which was a great value) for gaming ! Need confirmation tho.

cores a little improved but no l3 and 2 cores less, I would go with the 6300.

I dunno, the L3 on piledriver is pretty slow. Not very many games are using more than four threads, either. There are some, but . . .

not as slow as ram,
as you can see here Piledriver with no l3 cannot beat Piledriver with 4MB of l3 and 500MHz less in some cases (compare stock 4300 with the 760K OC) http://pclab.pl/art57691-3.html so my guess is that Kaveri also pays the price for no l3

 

[crashtech]

I might just have to get one and see for myself. Newegg seems to be selling them faster than they can get them in, though.

 

[Spawne32]

I might just have to get one and see for myself. Newegg seems to be selling them faster than they can get them in, though.

amazon should have some in stock and so should frys

 

[DrMrLordX]

If you want to use an aftermarket cooler, grab an OEM chip from SuperBiiz.

cores a little improved but no l3 and 2 cores less, I would go with the 6300.

I'd like to see the 6300 benched heads-up against the 860k. Put the 6300 at, what, 4.8 ghz (or 5 ghz if you're really pushing it) and the 860k at 4.5-4.6 ghz. Pair both with a 290x and see what happens. Throw in a 760k and a G3258 for good measure. Budget throwdown!

 

[crashtech]

In this segment we are chasing value, and with an aftermarket cooler, the total 860K OCing package is around $110, right in i3 range, a price point which prompts another reevaluation of the value equation. If the retail box came down to $80, I think that would seal the deal for those who do the math.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Some folks have aftermarket coolers or oversized stock coolers from other CPUs lying around. For them, OEM is a possibility without paying an extra price.

 

[SlowSpyder]

why do you have to make me depressed, they have steamroller and they can't even fracking update the fx chips. So disappointing. IDK if it has been stated before but what are the OCs we are seeing for this chip?

It'd be interesting to see a Steamroller (and Excavator) part that used the originally planed manufacturing process that could reach ~5GHz, up to eight cores, and 8MB of L3 cache like the FX CPU's have.

 

[crashtech]

Some folks have aftermarket coolers or oversized stock coolers from other CPUs lying around. For them, OEM is a possibility without paying an extra price.

That's true. It is for me, anyway. Not sure if I have the stuff to bolt a Megahalems to an FM2 setup, though, lol.

 

[Spawne32]

It'd be interesting to see a Steamroller (and Excavator) part that used the originally planed manufacturing process that could reach ~5GHz, up to eight cores, and 8MB of L3 cache like the FX CPU's have.

You will never see that on the FM2 platform, everything AMD is putting money into now is budget, mobile, onboard GPU and power savings. The FX chip stuff is going the way of the dinosaur. They gambled on multicore years ago and realized that was a horrible investment.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

That's true. It is for me, anyway. Not sure if I have the stuff to bolt a Megahalems to an FM2 setup, though, lol.

I'm running a Socket 754-era cooler on my overclocked Richland A8..... It's an Arctic Cooler 64 -- works great and keeps it about 25 degrees cooler than the stock heatsink. If I was building another cheap box, this would be my chip of choice. I think the 3258 is going to hit a brick wall faster with future games, it really should have been an unlocked i3.

 

[Kalessian]

Thanks.

For reference, my maxed out Ph2 (3.9ghz w/ 2.7ghz northbridge) and decent timing RAM does 14 min flat.

11m18s is a nice improvement for what should also consume a fraction of the power.

I should overclock my FX-6300 to 4.5ghz and see what I get. Dolphin CPU bench is single threaded afaik and should be a decent clock for clock comparison.

 

[crashtech]

I'm running a Socket 754-era cooler on my overclocked Richland A8..... It's an Arctic Cooler 64 -- works great and keeps it about 25 degrees cooler than the stock heatsink. If I was building another cheap box, this would be my chip of choice. I think the 3258 is going to hit a brick wall faster with future games, it really should have been an unlocked i3.

Yeah, an i3-4390K would have been pretty damn interesting, but probably would have made the i5-44xx look lame.