AMD Athlon 3500+ vs. Pentium 4 3.0 GHz

[MotionMan]

AMD Athlon 3500+ vs. Pentium 4 3.0 GHz

I am being asked, "Which one is, you know, faster or, you know, better?"

Please discuss

Thanks.

MotionMan

 

[palladium]

Athlon 3500+ are better in terms of performance/watt, consumes much less power, and run much cooler than the Netburst. I do think that the P4 might just be a tad faster than the Athlon 3500+ though. AFAIK. ( I never had an Athlon but had a P4 2.8GHz Prescott - they're roughly equal to my friend's Sempron 3800+ in single threaded app)

Of course, these are outshadowed by today's Core-based Celeron, and the Athlon X2, even in single threaded apps.

 

[Andrew1990]

Well the old Athlon64s could easily beat any Pentium 4 in most games. Other things such as media encoding and what not is where the P4 really shined. The Athlon64 3500+ could easily go toe to toe with a 3.6GHz Pentium 4 in most games.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: palladium
Athlon 3500+ are better in terms of performance/watt, consumes much less power, and run much cooler than the Netburst. I do think that the P4 might just be a tad faster than the Athlon 3500+ though.

Nope, not even close, in most cases.

In virtually all games, and many apps, the 3500+ will thoroughly outperform the P4 3.0 Ghz. In some appllications, such as media encoding and image editing, the 3500+ will perform pretty similarly to the P4 3.0 Ghz.

Of course, if you Google "Athlon 64 3500+ review", you will get much more detailed info.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

The Athlon Venice 3500+ beat the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.76ghz in some benchmarks. I would say the 3500 is a good 15-40% faster in most applications. With a great internal memory controller and 128K L1 cache (compare it to 12+6k L1 cache of a P4 Northwood 3GHz) the athlon can still hang in most games today. Just make sure you pair it with some good fast memory. If not it will be faster, but not too much faster.

 

[Dadofamunky]

I think the Athlon 3500 would beat that Netbust chip like a red-headed stepchild.

 

[dguy6789]

The Athlon 64 3500+ competed with 3.4-3.6Ghz Pentium 4s, not the 3Ghz Pentium 4.

 

[error8]

3500+ kicks P4 3.0ghz ass big time. They're not even comparable.

 

[BlueAcolyte]

AMD used to name its Athlon chips after the Intel P4 CPU they could go against, so the 3500+ would smack a P4 3Ghz around.

 

[NXIL]

I think the Athlon 3500 would beat that Netbust chip like it owed it some money.

Edit: maybe not a total pummeling, according to Tom's CPU chart 2004:

http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...D=on&prod%5B1411%5D=on

http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...Mark-2004-CPU,444.html

HTH

 

[SonicIce]

The P4 wins by a small amount in a couple media encoding apps that are MHz intensive, but the A64 smokes it in everything else especially games.

 

[Stumps]

IIRC an A64 3000+ was a tad bit faster than a 3ghz P4....a 3500+ would spank that P4 back to the stone age.

 

[Cogman]

3500+ No question. They are just that fast. (compared to a P4)

 

[Elias824]

3500+ is faster, runs cooler, takes less energy
the P4 will only be faster in some media encoding programs, and if it has HT, in Multitasking.

 

[zsdersw]

OP: Which P4 3.0GHz are you talking about? Northwood or Prescott?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
OP: Which P4 3.0GHz are you talking about? Northwood or Prescott?

Not sure. It is more of a theoretical discussion at this point.

MotionMan

 

[Sunrise089]

Well realize there will be a lot more love for the Northwood. That said, the Athlon is the way to go. Back then (as in before Summer 2006) the Athlons/Opterons were just clearly superior parts.

 

[imported_Graphite]

This debate is always good... P4 vs Athlon...

In past, I shared a P4 Northwood @ 3.0GHz w/Hyperthreading with family, and currently own an Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.0GHz of my own. Not a direct comparison, but pretty close, as the P4 is still lurking in the family for me to reconfirm my thoughts...

According to benchmarks, Athlon 64 3500+ won on pure speed, energy efficiency, processing efficiency etc (just like Core 2 is crushing Phenom in benchmarks now). It was just better architecture for the jobs at the time, especially compared to Prescott. That is why I chose Athlon when I bought my own PC.

But for end-user experience... What I found from experience (and not from benchmarks, I did none and have no proof) is that the P4 feels just a little snappier on the desktop than the Athlon 64. This usually pleases end users, so they may say that the Pentium 4 is 'better' because it's 'quicker,' if that makes sense...

Athlon was 'superior,' and therefore 'better,' but it depends on the use and price as to which is a smarter choice; my not-so-techy family preferred the P4 because it 'felt' quicker, I took the Athlon so I could get faster gameplay. Each to their own, I guess...

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Graphite
This debate is always good... P4 vs Athlon...

In past, I shared a P4 Northwood @ 3.0GHz w/Hyperthreading with family, and currently own an Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.0GHz of my own. Not a direct comparison, but pretty close, as the P4 is still lurking in the family for me to reconfirm my thoughts...

According to benchmarks, Athlon 64 3500+ won on pure speed, energy efficiency, processing efficiency etc (just like Core 2 is crushing Phenom in benchmarks now). It was just better architecture for the jobs at the time, especially compared to Prescott. That is why I chose Athlon when I bought my own PC.

But for end-user experience... What I found from experience (and not from benchmarks, I did none and have no proof) is that the P4 feels just a little snappier on the desktop than the Athlon 64. This usually pleases end users, so they may say that the Pentium 4 is 'better' because it's 'quicker,' if that makes sense...

Athlon was 'superior,' and therefore 'better,' but it depends on the use and price as to which is a smarter choice; my not-so-techy family preferred the P4 because it 'felt' quicker, I took the Athlon so I could get faster gameplay. Each to their own, I guess...

I always found the HT P4's to be snappier than the AXP'S and A64's, my old P4 3.06@3.45ghz was alwasy quicker to the desktop and opening applications than my old A64 3000+@2.87ghz...but as soon as I threw a game at them or anything that was cpu intensive, the A64 would just blow the P4 in to the weeds.

Even today my P4 (I still have it on my network...for LAN games...same goes for my A64 and AXP 3200+) "feels" almost as quick as my current C2Q and C2D setups...until I load a game that is...then C2's just leave the lowly P4 for dead..