News AMD Announces Radeon VII

Hitman928

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More info to come. . .
 

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At equal price points, the 2080 has the advantage here: more gaming oriented, consumes 70w less power, has ray tracing, DLSS, Ansel, GameWorks, VRWorks (and better VR performance overall), not to mention Variable Shading and Mesh Shading, better streaming features, supports both FreeSync and G.Sync, and it's the same price 700$.

The Radeon VII only has the 16GB advantage, that's not enough in the face of all those features that it lacks, especially now that it has no PCIe 4.0 or enough FP64 performance.

While some of those NVIDIA features may not be of interest to several people, the fact of the matter here is, they should be counted when we are comparing two products that are of the same price value.
 

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According to Techspot's benchmarks and AMD's stated +35% increase in Battlefield V for Radeon VII versus OG Vega...

1440P Battlefield V Benchmark numbers

$1199 Geforce 2080 Ti: 142 FPS
$699 Radeon VII: 128 FPS
$799 Geforce 2080: 114 FPS
 

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The average gamer is going to react exactly like they did to the RTX lineup and say "nope" to the price tag.
 

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Until recently, Vega20 was a pro-only GPU chip. Nobody expected Radeon VII.
This is what is being discussed, so the point is that until people jumped to conclusions about Vega20, there had never been a Pro-only chip (and there still isn't today).

Also you can't say nobody expected a gaming card based on Vega20. I did, and I am certain many others did as well.
 

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I also expect Navi to be another GCN tweak.

I think AMD has a decent general purpose GPU architecture, but NVidia really has step up on efficiency tricks. Better culling of triangles or things like that, then they work with Devs to implement things that work well with their efficiency tweaks.

In games where the efficiency tweaks don't work as well, AMD pulls ahead on brute force, as in competing products (rx580vs1060, Vega64vs1080) AMD usually has more transistor than NVidia, and does better at raw compute.

I also got the impression the first time a saw that architecture roadmap, that Navi was pretty much and extension of Vega, and Next-Gen was the big change.

But basically I think AMD needs some efficiency tricks that work, and that should work with a GCN architecture. It will be interesting to see what Navi brings.
Raja didn't get the bonus.

Its obvious Vega technology didn't pan out as expected. All the fancy stuff in the white paper didn't work. Its actually a pretty huge problem. If not a minor disaster for amd. Millions of Vega dies out there - especially the apu with a huge need of that technology because of bandwidth constrains. They were saved by mining and later zen.

Now we get navi and it's about time the stuff starts to work if navi is gcn based as we asume. But its 1 year before retirement. Is it actually worth it to make drivers for it?
 

Hitman928

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60 CU up to 1.8 GHz.

7 nm

25% more performance at iso power

16 GB HBM, TB/s bandwidth
 

Hitman928

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25% - 42% performance increase over Vega64 in 3 modern games.

Seems like it should be ~ RTX 2070 in traditional games.

Triple fan, non-blower design.
 

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4k @ 100fps demo'd.
16GB of HBM

Eye watering 1TB/sec memory bandwidth
 

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25% - 42% performance increase over Vega64 in 3 modern games.

Seems like it should be ~ RTX 2070 in traditional games.

Triple fan, non-blower design.
25% better performance would put it at ~RTX 2080, maybe a bit less depending on resolution.

Vega 7nm though... I wonder how expensive it will be.
 

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Rumors are confirmed..
The mad lads delivered the first 7nm Consumer GPU.
Clocked @ 1.8Ghz :oops:
 

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25% better performance would put it at ~RTX 2080, maybe a bit less depending on resolution.
it does according to AMD themselves but that is too slow IMHO. Yeah 2080 is expensive but 16 GB of HBM2 will also cost a lot. I doubt they can offer that cheaper than a 2080.
 

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it does according to AMD themselves but that is too slow IMHO. Yeah 2080 is expensive but 16 GB of HBM2 will also cost a lot. I doubt they can offer that cheaper than a 2080.
The 2080 is a very expensive card as is the 2080ti. I'm sure they can given how absurdly they're priced. HBM2 nor GDDR6 are that expensive. Nvidia is just greedy and gimps the memory footprint to establish artificial segmentation. Also, I'm sure this AMD GPU will come in 8GB sizing
 

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it does according to AMD themselves but that is too slow IMHO. Yeah 2080 is expensive but 16 GB of HBM2 will also cost a lot. I doubt they can offer that cheaper than a 2080.
Hopefully they have something more than this or that more details about future products come out after the keynote. This is really no different from the initial Vega launch where they come in short of the competition. The only difference is that this time NVidia has jacked up their prices so much, that a Vega card at $600 doesn't seem like a complete turd.

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't know what the price is, I'm just using it as a point of reference.
 
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Hitman928

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Hopefully they have something more than this or that more details about future products come out after the keynote. This is really no different from the initial Vega launch where they come in short of the competition. The only difference is that this time NVidia has jacked up their prices so much, that a Vega card at $600 doesn't seem like a complete turd.
I could very well be wrong, but I don't expect Navi until the end of the year so I don't think we'll hear much about it until later. Maybe a mention of it as a future product coming later. RX7 seems like a decent holdover considering where they stand today but obviously isn't that exciting in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Hopefully they have something more than this or that more details about future products come out after the keynote. This is really no different from the initial Vega launch where they come in short of the competition. The only difference is that this time NVidia has jacked up their prices so much, that a Vega card at $600 doesn't seem like a complete turd.
I'm happy to see 7nm on consumer GPU and that they're willing to push the memory footprint.
The clocks look really nice. However, just like Nvidia, I'll reserve judgement until I hear more details and its formally reviewed. Not much to critique for now as there are no more specific details. The specs look good and are in excess of Nvidia on compute. It wasn't specified as PCIE 4.0 and no CCX compatibility discussed. A nice surprise that they announced the world's first 7nm GPU. Still need to hear lots more info/etc.
 

Hitman928

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Ouch, $699. I hoped for less. Comes with 3 currently unreleased games at least.

Feb 7th release.
 

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