AMD A64 X2 5000+ Black Edition vs C2D E6550

[21stHermit]

According to this Review on Tom's Hardware posted today, the unlocked and overclocked AMD A64 X2 5000+ Black Edition is about equal to a stock C2D E6550.

If you read the full article, you may draw a different conclusion depending on the benchmarks you favor.

We can only wish that Intel offers an unlocked Exxxx enthuasist CPU someday.

FWIW
Hermit

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: 21stHermit
According to this Review on Tom's Hardware posted today, the unlocked and overclocked AMD A64 X2 5000+ Black Edition is about equal to a stock C2D E6550.

If you read the full article, you may draw a different conclusion depending on the benchmarks you favor.

We can only wish that Intel offers an unlocked Exxxx enthuasist CPU someday.

FWIW
Hermit

Only the extreme versions will have the unlocked multiplier, this is how its always been.

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: swtethan
Only the extreme versions will have the unlocked multiplier, this is how its always been.

Do you mean to say that since its always been that way it can never change? Seems to me Intel changed alot when AMD started making market share gains.

 

[jonmcc33]

Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: 21stHermit
We can only wish that Intel offers an unlocked Exxxx enthuasist CPU someday.

FWIW
Hermit

The locked multiplier isn't much of a limiting factor at the moment for overclocking C2Ds.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

Because THG posted a review. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Pain999]

Not apples to apples comparison. If your going to overclock one, why not overclock the other to see what your really getting for your money?

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

LOL. Hey, THG is good for reading about vegetable oil powered cars and stuff.

@OP: your post makes no sense. Intel does offer unlocked multiplier cpus, they're called extreme edition; and you can OC just about all the c2d's from here to kingdom come without changing the multi anyway.

 

[Denithor]

I just find it silly that they compared a hugely overclocked 5000+ to a stock e6550. I mean, come on, anyone that would buy a 5000+ to OC would also OC an e6550 and get much greater performance for their dollar.

Now granted, the 5000+ BE could be a tolerable upgrade if you had an AM2 rig with like a 3600+ or something, but even so...just OC your existing chip and be done with it until you refresh with something really faster (Phenom or C2D/Q).

 

[perdomot]

The main thing I took from the article was that by being able to raise the multi, you could run everything else within specs. Not something that trivial considering you can get a cheap mobo for less than $50 and have an OC demon @ 3.1Ghz at default voltages. For C2D rigs, you have to mess around with voltages, FSB, memory settings, etc. which can be very convoluted. Multiplier OCing is way easier.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: perdomot
The main thing I took from the article was that by being able to raise the multi, you could run everything else within specs. Not something that trivial considering you can get a cheap mobo for less than $50 and have an OC demon @ 3.1Ghz at default voltages. For C2D rigs, you have to mess around with voltages, FSB, memory settings, etc. which can be very convoluted. Multiplier OCing is way easier.

My E4400 @ 3GHz was just about the easiest overclock I've ever done. 300 x 10, stock volts, stock HSF. Memory @ default 1:1 setting. I'd hardly call it difficult.

 

[Liberator21]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

Wow...that's two random posts I've read in a row by you with nothing positive to say. If you have such disdain for this forum or its members why don't YOU head on over to THG. Stop the b*tchin already.

 

[j0j081]

It even says this in the article momobirds.

"Of course there's nothing to keep you from overclocking the Intel processors included for comparison here as well. However, within this article we are considering the 5000+ Black Edition primarily as a CPU upgrade for people with existing AM2 systems, meaning that Intel processors are not an option."

 

[perdomot]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: perdomot
The main thing I took from the article was that by being able to raise the multi, you could run everything else within specs. Not something that trivial considering you can get a cheap mobo for less than $50 and have an OC demon @ 3.1Ghz at default voltages. For C2D rigs, you have to mess around with voltages, FSB, memory settings, etc. which can be very convoluted. Multiplier OCing is way easier.

My E4400 @ 3GHz was just about the easiest overclock I've ever done. 300 x 10, stock volts, stock HSF. Memory @ default 1:1 setting. I'd hardly call it difficult.

Same thing with my E4400 but I've been OCing for years now and know how to troubleshoot in case something went wrong. For people new to OCing, its just easier to raise the multi.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

Because THG posted a review. Nothing wrong with that.

There's everything wrong with THG. :roll:

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Liberator21

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Why is anyone posting a THG review on AnandTech? Why are you even going to THG's website?

Wow...that's two random posts I've read in a row by you with nothing positive to say. If you have such disdain for this forum or its members why don't YOU head on over to THG. Stop the b*tchin already.

This forum? I don't see how my comment has anything to do with this forum. Maybe you should learn how to read better? Don't know how long you've been on the internet but THG has long been the laughing stock of hardware review websites.

 

[Markfw]

First, They OC the X2 5000+ to 3.4 (max OC) and then compare to a stock 6550@2.33, when it could also hit 3.4 and wipe the floor with the black edition ? What a moronic review.

Second.... well, I leave the post above mine to the moderators.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
First, They OC the X2 5000+ to 3.4 (max OC) and then compare to a stock 6550@2.33, when it could also hit 3.4 and wipe the floor with the black edition ? What a moronic review.

Second.... well, I leave the post above mine to the moderators.

What, am I violating some code by finding THG reviews to be unacceptable? Christ, I've been chastised for much worse than that on internet forums before. Give it a rest already...you even reinforced my opinion on it!

"What a moronic review."

That just sums up everything from THG in my book.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Markfw900
First, They OC the X2 5000+ to 3.4 (max OC) and then compare to a stock 6550@2.33, when it could also hit 3.4 and wipe the floor with the black edition ? What a moronic review.

Second.... well, I leave the post above mine to the moderators.

What, am I violating some code by finding THG reviews to be unacceptable? Christ, I've been chastised for much worse than that on internet forums before. Give it a rest already...you even reinforced my opinion on it!

"What a moronic review."

That just sums up everything from THG in my book.

The problem is attacking other members:

Maybe you should learn how to read better?

Thats a personal attack. Maybe thats too strong a word, but you get the idea.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Ya don't want to hurt people' feeling. They may grow up to be a mass murderer.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, it's totally cool (and definitely logical) to criticize tom's. It's totally not cool to fire off a personal attack against another member. You didn't start the argument with liberator21, you just have to be critical in more creative ways. Basically, clobber him with logic, like "according to the inquirer, thg has the dumbest workers and most retarded members on the internet. why would you quote them at all???" uh, while you're clobbering him with logic try not to quote the inq, but you get the idea...

 

[Markfw]

Exactly ! Tom's has a bullseye painted on their head for creating reviews like that. I have to say it again, its was so stupid (my quote):
"First, They OC the X2 5000+ to 3.4 (max OC) and then compare to a stock 6550@2.33, when it could also hit 3.4 and wipe the floor with the black edition ? What a moronic review. "

Sorry, I can't help it, it really is the dumbest thing I have seen even them do in a long time....

So with such a target, why even bother insulting anyone here ?

 

[johnnyjohnson]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

My E4400 @ 3GHz was just about the easiest overclock I've ever done. 300 x 10, stock volts, stock HSF. Memory @ default 1:1 setting. I'd hardly call it difficult.

Agreed. Any overclock you can do in the bios is easy. In the dinosaur age, overclocking might have involved resetting jumpers, dip switches and/or soldering in a new oscillator - and for all that effort you usually only got a 5-10% improvement in speed :Q

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: j0j081
It even says this in the article momobirds.

"Of course there's nothing to keep you from overclocking the Intel processors included for comparison here as well. However, within this article we are considering the 5000+ Black Edition primarily as a CPU upgrade for people with existing AM2 systems, meaning that Intel processors are not an option."

what part of this quote I already posted don't you guys understand? they were looking at it primarily as an upgrade option for someone already with a compatible system and probably just seeing what intel cpu they could get it to match up with.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
The problem is attacking other members. Thats a personal attack. Maybe thats too strong a word, but you get the idea.

LOL! That's not an attack. Someone thinks they know me from two apparent "random" posts, I suggest that they learn how to read and that's an attack? Oh no, if I was going to attack him it would be quite obvious. The same could be said on his part for calling me "negative" and telling me to go post somewhere else, as if these are his forums.

So stop derailing this thread from it's original subject...that being the THG review that is pure crap as usual.