AMD 760MP + 686B incompatiblity leads to MSI going for 766 Southbridge instead

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dowxp

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<< IN the server market, go ALL AMD, don't take any chances. >>




huh!? go all amd!? =) ironic or am i not catching the sarcasm
 
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<< IN the server market, go ALL AMD, don't take any chances. >>




huh!? go all amd!? =) ironic or am i not catching the sarcasm >>



Go all AMD = AMD processor + AMD Northbridge + AMD Southbridge if you're going for an MP solution. What did you think I meant?
 
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dowxp

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oh. that i agreee. i thought u mean go all amd using amd reference boards [if there were some] or just go amd cheap boards that use via. oh well
 
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<< oh. that i agreee. i thought u mean go all amd using amd reference boards [if there were some] or just go amd cheap boards that use via. oh well >>


Oh, hehe ;) I wouldn't risk using VIA in a highly delicate MP platform like the 760MP. I also wouldn't go for a VIA based dual Intel platform. IMHO, when going dual stick with the CPU manufactuers' chipsets.
 
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dowxp

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i wouldnt use via as dualie either. but mine is fine. uptime is 2 weeks so far.
 
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damocles

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After reading about the 762 problems and the comments from Tyan - i can't blame them
 
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LXi

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This also means that we'll have to wait longer for an affordable board to come out.
 
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What comments from Tyan.. I havent been visitng this part of the forums in a long time.

I am about to build a prototype dual AMD's based on the tyan mobo.. any last request. The parts have been requistioned already. If this works we will put 16 dual AMD machines added to the farm.
 
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Tyan's comments basically says,

&quot;There is no significant cost advantage going with the VIA southbridge, and it's unlikely to impact the overall cost of the motherboard. MSI is so stupid to choose an unproven chipset, but why should we point out our competitor's stupid mistakes? We Tyan are so glad that we were smarter than those Taiwanese to go with the AMD southbridge. The point is, you aren't going to save $30 by going with VIA&quot;

That was Joe James of Tyan's sales directory. His comments are very true, but rather arrogant.
 
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damocles

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A valid point- but if MSI can't fix the imcompatibility issues with the VIA southbridge then i can't blame them for sticking with the safer option

- They can get their board out faster
- A server board needs to be as stable as possible
- The Southbridge price difference is only a few $- i'm not sure where all the other expenses come in- but is the Southbridge alone the difference for the disparent prices?
 
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<< I also wouldn't go for a VIA based dual Intel platform. IMHO, when going dual stick with the CPU manufactuers' chipsets. >>



I have a Intel/VIA dual setup and have used 4 this year (Epox D3vA, ECS D6VAA,Tyan Tiger230,MSI 694D AIR.) Next i'm working on the New Gigabyte 1U Dual VIA solution and they have all been stable never crashed with top teir uptimes in workstation enviornment. So have you actually used one or what are you basing your statment on?:confused:
 
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<< I have a Intel/VIA dual setup and have used 4 this year (Epox D3vA, ECS D6VAA,Tyan Tiger230,MSI 694D AIR.) Next i'm working on the New Gigabyte 1U Dual VIA solution and they have all been stable never crashed with top teir uptimes in workstation enviornment. So have you actually used one or what are you basing your statment on? >>


You do what you want with your system, I'll do what I want with my system. Like I said, it was my opinion based on the issues with the 686B. I wouldn't like to see it in a server related mobo like the 760MP. Single processors, I don't care as much. But for the MP, I'd take my chances with the AMD-AMD solution every time. What's the crime in that? It's a personal preference. AMD doesn't NOT need to get off to a bumpy start with their first 760MP boards.

Just as I would never buy a Hyundai, I would most likely not buy a VIA based dual-mobo. Especially if it has proven compatibility issues with the AMD760MP.

As for Intel processors, I'd always go with an Intel based motherboard be it single processor or dual processor. That's my PERSONAL preference. That's why I said IMHO up above.
 
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Well i notice you been harsh on VIA lately which is why i responded. I'm not saying you HAVE to use a VIA based solution but if MSI was so smart they wouldn't have made that mistake of using the southbridge. They were foolish for doing it. No other company did it that is dealing with a 760MP. So they obiviously don't know what they're doing when it comes to workstation chipsets. Their board isn't aimed at the server class which is the reason why it was cheap from jump street. But to sit there and abuse VIA for something that wasn't there fault anyways is pretty harsh. Remember it was MSI that chose to use the 686 in the southbridge not VIA nor AMD. So if your going to say something about one of the 3 companies then let it be MSI they made their bed now they can sleep in it.
 
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This is no big deal either way. The dollar difference is negligible, and the time needed to redesign the board should be short. It has actually been documented for months; The only reason MSI made this change now is that the incompatibility was widely publicized just recently, and they didn't want any poor buyer perceptions skewing their sales.

Realistically, the &quot;incompatibility&quot; is a joke. Both minor erratum involve the ACPI Suspend-to-RAM function. Like an Ace's Hardware MP builder said, who the heck ever uses that in the first place? And in a server board, there's even less reason to want to halt or suspend operation of the system. On top of that, support for ACPI itself has been sketchy on many VIA and Intel boards for the last couple years. This is not exactly a glaring flaw.

Modus
 
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<< Well i notice you been harsh on VIA lately which is why i responded. I'm not saying you HAVE to use a VIA based solution but if MSI was so smart they wouldn't have made that mistake of using the southbridge. They were foolish for doing it. No other company did it that is dealing with a 760MP. So they obiviously don't know what they're doing when it comes to workstation chipsets. Their board isn't aimed at the server class which is the reason why it was cheap from jump street. But to sit there and abuse VIA for something that wasn't there fault anyways is pretty harsh. Remember it was MSI that chose to use the 686 in the southbridge not VIA nor AMD. So if your going to say something about one of the 3 companies then let it be MSI they made their bed now they can sleep in it. >>


I believe you are reading too much into it. I haven't bashed VIA in here (at least I didn't think I was). All I stated was my personal preference when going with dual solutions.
 
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MSI like making very stable motheboards and if they see problems with 686B + 760MP then they are very wise in taking a different route, good luck to them.

:)
 
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