AMD 754 vs. 939

[wmcguire93]

Let me preface this question by stating that I only upgrade my system every 3 to 4 years.

How do the 754 compare, performance wise, with the 939? Originally I was going to get the AMD 64 socket 939 for an upgrade because I heard that AMD was going to stop making the 754. However, I realized that in 3 years the 939 will probably be outdated anyway, so if I can get the same (or better) performance with the 754 for less money wouldn't this be a better choice?

 

[Rip the Jacker]

http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050202/sempron-01.html

 

[Chosonman]

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-13.html

I personally like the 754 and have no problem with it as a choice now for a system. You can go either way.

 

[KoolDrew]

There recently was a topic basically with this exact title. You may want to search for that. Also it really depends on your price range and what you are using the PC for. If you are on a small budget then s754 would be fine. Also if you are not gaming it may be better to go s754.

 

[Tarrant64]

754 will be just as good as a 939. If you want to save money, 754 is definetely an option. You will not notice too much of a difference becides benchmarks(which only see small performance increase between the 754 and 939.)

754's will still be around for awhile yet.

 

[Infohawk]

Only the 939 allows for PCI-E right? I'm going with that for my next system to extend the life of the system too.

 

[wmcguire93]

How do the 754 motherboards factor in to the overall performance? At just a quick glance the 939 look to have higher performing boards is this correct?

I am a gamer (although not too hardcore) so I do want a system that will still perform well 3 years from now. Does this make a diference?

 

[drpootums]

No, there is a higher selection of better boards for the skt754 IMO.

DFI or Asus is what i'd go with. The DFI Lanparty board i have right now is the best oc'ing board out there, but if u'r not overclocking then dont bother. The Asus K8V SE (right?) is ok from what i've heard if ur not overclocking.

And it'll be hard to make a system to perform well in 3 years, no matter the socket, but i like 754 IMO.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: drpootums
No, there is a higher selection of better boards for the skt754 IMO.

DFI or Asus is what i'd go with. The DFI Lanparty board i have right now is the best oc'ing board out there, but if u'r not overclocking then dont bother. The Asus K8V SE (right?) is ok from what i've heard if ur not overclocking.

And it'll be hard to make a system to perform well in 3 years, no matter the socket, but i like 754 IMO.

You're correct on that. I have the Asus borad(K8V SE Deluxe), and it's rock stable. I can OC just a little bit but not too much because of the lack of AGP/PCI lock. However, under normal conditions this board is solid.

DFI is the best board for the 754 out there right now.

How do the 754 motherboards factor in to the overall performance? At just a quick glance the 939 look to have higher performing boards is this correct?

As far as overall performance, you will not see any noticable differences between 939 and 754. I mean, unless your looking at everything frame to frame or your benchmark picky, An A64 3200+(754) and A64 3200+(939) are the same. Only difference is dual channel memory is supported with 939. In all actuallity Dual Channel is a waste on 939 because A64's don't benefit from it like Pentium's do. Heck, Value Ram is awesome on A64's.

However, if you are looking into PCI-e or anything like that, you will want to go with 939. THe upgradability will be there for awhile. If your just into the best thing you can get with the best budget, 754 and a top quality AGP will carry you just fine through the next 3-4 years.


Now to wait for those people to post and say crap like games won't be playable on AGP in a couple years. Which is just bull.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I prefer the 939 myself, its more future proof, has dual channel support and isnt that much more $$$

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I prefer the 939 myself, its more future proof, has dual channel support and isnt that much more $$$

You people throw dual channel around on a 939 like it means somethin'. lol

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I prefer the 939 myself, its more future proof, has dual channel support and isnt that much more $$$

That's an ignorant comment if I ever heard one. Back it up.

 

[ts3433]

PCIe should eventually trickle down to the 754 socket in one form or another, so hopefully you won't be completely out of luck if you change your mind and end up upgrading the video card in a couple years (assuming most good ones are then PCIe-only or insanely expensive on AGP, which may or may not happen). Regardless, it's probably your best current option.

 

[wmcguire93]

Thanks for the info all. Currently I am leaning toward the 754 w/ DFI

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ts3433
PCIe should eventually trickle down to the 754 socket in one form or another, so hopefully you won't be completely out of luck if you change your mind and end up upgrading the video card in a couple years (assuming most good ones are then PCIe-only or insanely expensive on AGP, which may or may not happen). Regardless, it's probably your best current option.

Why is that? Because they want the sempron to be able to have new hardware? Is sempron the new duron?

 

[PascalT]

What board would you guys recommend for a 939 system? I heard alot of good things of the MSI K8N plat board. why is that?

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ts3433
PCIe should eventually trickle down to the 754 socket in one form or another, so hopefully you won't be completely out of luck if you change your mind and end up upgrading the video card in a couple years (assuming most good ones are then PCIe-only or insanely expensive on AGP, which may or may not happen). Regardless, it's probably your best current option.

Why is that? Because they want the sempron to be able to have new hardware? Is sempron the new duron?

The sempron isn't the only 754 cpu. I thought most semprons were Socket A and only the higher end were 754(but still 32-bit). Why is it that whenever someone says 754 everyone thinks Sempron?

Don't forget 754 was the firce 64-bit AMD socket(i think 940 was there too) and goes up to 3500+(probably higher, i know 939 goes higher but i dunno how far they went with 754). I do believe the Sempron will probably have PCI-e too, but it's not all about the semprons I don't think. 754 to me has just as much respect as the 939, and so it will not be forgotton when it comes to new hardware.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: PascalT
What board would you guys recommend for a 939 system? I heard alot of good things of the MSI K8N plat board. why is that?

That depends on what your looking for. AGP, PCIe? There are lots of options for 939 right now.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
I prefer the 939 myself, its more future proof, has dual channel support and isnt that much more $$$

That's an ignorant comment if I ever heard one. Back it up.

One point: 939 supports PCIe (AGP replacement) so is more "future proof" than the 754 chipset. I don't have a personal stake in this argument (currently a P4 user) but "facts is facts".

 

[ribbon13]

Another point: Dual core likely won't be seen on 754.

 

[Megatomic]

This generation of s939 motherboards is completely lackluster. And the motherboards forum is flooded with people crying for help with their new ASUS A8N-SLI boards. I don't think I'll be going for an NF4 system.

But the nForce Professional 2200 is far more appealing as it has more PCI-e lanes and supports the newest SATA standard. Plus it is guaranteed to be compatible with the dual core A64s coming out later this year.

My vote goes for skipping all NF4/NF3 Ultra boards.

 

[ribbon13]

And socket 940 dual cores will arrive a little bit before the 939s =D

nForce Professional 2200 + 2050

http://tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html

 

[Megatomic]

That board is WAAAAY overkill for me. I'm waiting for an SLI version with no SCSI, I might be able to afford that readily.

I'm thinking Abit might make one and put it in their Fatality lineup, and DFI might make one as a Lanparty board. And these boards will decimate the NF4/NF3 Ultras.

 

[randomlinh]

even if we get dual core on 939, will the current gen of boards FULLY support it w/o a problem? And for the OP, if he goes 754, the PCIe option is a moot point since he upgrades every 3-4 years.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

The following is about the most informative post on a single topic I have ever seen, and it is all right on the mark. Thank you Tarrant64.

Originally posted by: Tarrant64

Originally posted by: drpootums
No, there is a higher selection of better boards for the skt754 IMO.

DFI or Asus is what i'd go with. The DFI Lanparty board i have right now is the best oc'ing board out there, but if u'r not overclocking then dont bother. The Asus K8V SE (right?) is ok from what i've heard if ur not overclocking.

And it'll be hard to make a system to perform well in 3 years, no matter the socket, but i like 754 IMO.

You're correct on that. I have the Asus borad(K8V SE Deluxe), and it's rock stable. I can OC just a little bit but not too much because of the lack of AGP/PCI lock. However, under normal conditions this board is solid.

DFI is the best board for the 754 out there right now.

How do the 754 motherboards factor in to the overall performance? At just a quick glance the 939 look to have higher performing boards is this correct?

As far as overall performance, you will not see any noticable differences between 939 and 754. I mean, unless your looking at everything frame to frame or your benchmark picky, An A64 3200+(754) and A64 3200+(939) are the same. Only difference is dual channel memory is supported with 939. In all actuallity Dual Channel is a waste on 939 because A64's don't benefit from it like Pentium's do. Heck, Value Ram is awesome on A64's.

However, if you are looking into PCI-e or anything like that, you will want to go with 939. THe upgradability will be there for awhile. If your just into the best thing you can get with the best budget, 754 and a top quality AGP will carry you just fine through the next 3-4 years.


Now to wait for those people to post and say crap like games won't be playable on AGP in a couple years. Which is just bull.