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AMD 6400 X2

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AMD appears to be releasing a higher clocked X2. Not sure if this is signs they can get more out of the very aged X2 core or even worse Barcelona is really taking a step backwards.

AMD 6400 X2

If the price is good it should be a good bang for the buck.
 
There's this little part of me screaming in terror looking at that announcement. AMD is only up to 2.6ghz on their shipping 65nm Brisbane core CPUs, the current 5200+ and later are still 90nm. I have a strong gut feeling that this will be another 90nm part, I can't even begin to imagine the kind of inferno such a chip is going to be(the TDP of a 6000+ is already 125W).
 
The only way it's not going to consume more than 130 w load: 65nm and voltage 1.2. Which is probably not going to happen.
 
I'd be willing to bet that it is a 90nm chip too. How else would AMD manage this feat? Their 65nm process is still having problems. Still, it's a good sign that AMD is still putting up a fight against Intel.
 
No doubt it's 90nm.

AMD had FX-76 (3.2) scheduled for Q2. They probably found out no one is foolish enough to buy their FX line and are packing those as 6400+.
 
It most definitely does not build confidence in Phenom's release timeline and performance envelope.

Although I suppose if Phenom is really a half-year away from hitting stores with supply then you got to do something and I doubt the 6400+ is the last X2 that we will see released in the course of the next 6 months.
 
Originally posted by: Idontcare
It most definitely does not build confidence in Phenom's release timeline and performance envelope.

Although I suppose if Phenom is really a half-year away from hitting stores with supply then you got to do something and I doubt the 6400+ is the last X2 that we will see released in the course of the next 6 months.
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No matter which way AMD goes right now they're in a bad position. If you figure Barcelona can take on a C2D 1 speed grade ahead and the 6400+ is roughly on par with the E6600/E6700, a Barcelona faster than the 6400+ would need to be 2.6ghz+(in order to compete with the 2.93ghz/3ghz E6800), which is looking really unlikely. Never mind releasing an even faster X2 would require them to get the kinks out of the 65nm process, which at this rate(some 8 months after the first chips shipped) is taking way too long.
 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
There's this little part of me screaming in terror looking at that announcement. AMD is only up to 2.6ghz on their shipping 65nm Brisbane core CPUs, the current 5200+ and later are still 90nm. I have a strong gut feeling that this will be another 90nm part, I can't even begin to imagine the kind of inferno such a chip is going to be(the TDP of a 6000+ is already 125W).
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And oh so not long ago there was an AMD who insisted on making fun of then Intel's Prescotts who delivered heat in bucket loads. But oh look, it's now AMD whose the heat factory.

Since Core 2 Duo/Quad was launched AMD no longer seems eager to ask Intel to a duel and see which processor wins or for that matter remind us all about the 10 made-up reasons, according to them, why Intel didn't choose to accept the duel back in 2005.

Everyone can believe what they want at the end of the day but if 65nm production stops at 2.6GHz then AMD must be having 65nm problems that their Phenom/Agena only underlines yet again.

Of course there's more to the story, AMD knows its the bottom to medium processor segments which need to be made in 65nm to ensure a better profit due to low commercial prices of these chips but also knows it hasn't got enough capacity to mame 65nm high-end parts even if the yields were perfect. The net result of this is obviously 140-150W TDP 6400+ X2's and FX-74's.
 
Originally posted by: Tboy012
wow... interesting comments by everyone here...

gforce100 where are you basing your statements on?
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Which statement exactly since I've said various things above?

You mean the 65nm part? It's well known fact that AMD isn't making its high-end parts at 65nm leading one to imagine a) under capacity or b) yield problems @ high MHz @ 65nm. I would look upon the 6400+ X2 announcement as AMD doing what it can to grab a few $$$ here or there from sales. It's a kind of plan B for when things aren't the way they envisioned them back late last year or early this. If AMD never had yield problems with their Phenom/Agena, whether they ever publicly admit it or not, they would have released the products already. Right now they are both neither in a position to sell as many CPU's as they got accustom to over recent years or dictate prices since market demand is dictating prices and Intel has various products from top to bottom to fill every niche/price segment. The market prefers Intel right now due to the superior product and much better marketing engine that's there to make sure every Joe Six pack knows the Core 2 Duo or Quad is an ace processor to own.

There's always a bunch of people who favour AMD having the resources to blast back into the market and make everyone go wow. The question I always think of in such cases is why should a company that's growing weaker on a daily basis delay a new product(s) knowingly being aware that its superior to that of the competition's and what's more is a clear winner in terms of gaining revenue. Why? In business you do not wait to let your competitor grow on you and shadow your own achievements, it's about getting out there and fighting back making sure most revenue comes your way and not their's. All this secrecy from AMD is not doing them any credit. ATI has delayed a product not once in the past and AMD hasn't got an excellent track record for delivering on time either. If you have two broken legs then you're not doing to win a marathon and beat your opponent anytime this century until you get into shape.

Hector Ruiz, we'll be hearing more and more about his time at AMD come the future that's for sure.
 
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