amd 64 939 and ddr2

lamontbond

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i am trying to understand how integrated FSB and ram work on an athlon 64 chip.

also is ddr2 not compatible with amd 64 socket 939 chips?

what is the highest ram i can buy for amd 64 without overclocking?


I guess my question is "is there a newbie guide to ram"


thanks
 

Fenuxx

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I would highly recommend Corsair Value Select PC3200. That is the best bang for your buck RAM out there yet still complies with JEDEC standard, so its not pre OCed.

-Kevin

Same here, also, I would recommed anything from Crucial or Mushkin, as they are both great, and I've run RAM from both (my current is from Mushkin).
 

lamontbond

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i don't own an athlon 64 yet. i am just trying to understand what it means to have no fsb.

I also want to know some memory basics like what is latency, whether ddr2 is compatible with athlon 64 etc etc etc.
 

Appledrop

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at present there are no DDR2 a64 boards.. and also no need for them... latency? Just the delays that are programmed within the memory modules.. generally to reach higher frequencies like DDR2 speeds, the latencies are increased for stability. At present, DDR2 isn't worth it mainly because of the very loose timings....... also you mention no FSB.. well, technically thats true, as it has a direct link to the cpu with hypertransport, and not the northbridge, but it means nothing really to the system builder in terms of overclocking, and picking out memory to use; plain old DDR 400 will suffice, and like normal, the frequency of the ram will increase with a higher fsb (hypertransport) but you run the ram asyncronously ( a divider ) to stop the memory running too fast, with no performance loss on the A64.

ew horrible post sorry, but it took a good minute or two so i cba to delete ;)
 

Gamingphreek

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Actually there is a FSB.

HT is simply the high speed interconnect between different peripherals on the motherboard. FSB is the speed at which, it communicates with the memory.

HT and FSB are two different things with two different purposes.

-Kevin
 

lamontbond

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okay thanks! can you explain what "timings" are? I've seen somewhere that the fastest is 2 2 2 but i have absolutely no understanding of what and how they work.

does anyone know of a guide for all of these basics but for newer ram? (i've read howstuffworks but it looks like a guide for a computer of the 80's)
 

gobucks

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timings are how many cycles it takes to perform certain memory functions. I forget exactly what they stand for, but they have names like CAS, RAS, etc. The tighter the timings, the better. On an intel platform, timings do not matter too much, since the memory controller is slower, like 400MHz, and there is a lot of latency already in the system. On the A64 platform, the memory controller is integrated, running at full CPU speed, i.e. 2GHz or faster, and so the latency is much lower in the system. As a result, latencies make a big difference on an athlon. Anyways, they matter, and you want the best timings you can afford, but there is no reason to shell out an extra $100 for fast timings, since the 5-8% you'll gain from low latency memory is insignificant compared to the boost you'd get from spending another $100 on a faster GPU or CPU. The main use of low-latency memory is that they pretty much use the best chips available (samsung TCCD or micron) and they can overclock very well, and retain decent latencies at high frequencies. For example, Crucial Ballistix (my personal favorite) can retain 2-2-2-5 timings all the way to DDR440, and if you loosen timings to 3-3-3-8, you can likely hit well past DDR550, and some even hit close to DDR600 (i haven't been able to verify this, yet)

But anyways, DDR2 is not that big of a deal currently. Chips are more expensive, latencies are higher, and they aren't really faster yet because DDR is hitting speeds close to DDR600. And on the A64 platform, I can tell you from experience, larger memory bandwidth doesn't do much for performance.