amd 64 3000+ vs 3200+

[Hellotalkie]

I am playing to built a system and kinda on a tigh budget. My setup of which iam thinking of is amd 64 3000+ or 3200+?
evga 7800gt
1.5gb ocz value
msi K8N Neo4-F..could someone tell me if this is a good mobo or not
40gb wd hd
I have everything else psu case etc. I dont want my pc to bottleneck just because of the cpu speed. I dont plan to oc because it has caused me problems in the past. I am really on a tight budget and really just wondering if there is a noticeable differance between the 2 amd's.
thnx

 

[potato28]

Buy the cheaper 1. Theres no difference. And OC the 200mhz if u wanna.

 

[RBauer]

MSI K8N NEO-F is a great board I use one and have a 3200+ in it running 2450mhz @ stock core voltages! Why by a 40gb hd? 80gb 7200rpm drives are like 5-10 more for twice the space!

Also save some cash buy the 6800 GS 256mb PCIE they overclock well and get you in the low 6000's in 3Dmark05

 

[Hellotalkie]

heh ya i was just reading of how many ppl are having problems with that msi board freezing up and stuff. So i guess the 3000+ wont bottleneck bf2 or any game and it wont bottleneck the 7800gt...in that case ill go with the 3000+

 

[Hellotalkie]

GA-K8NF-9 is this gigabyte board ne good? or this biostar http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264
dont really care what kind of form factor it is since i will be only using the pci e slot.

 

[Hellotalkie]

he actually zipzoom and newegg are both sold out of the 3000+ 939 so i guess with the 939 3200+. Can someone show me some mobo that have good reviews and no problems. The past msi i had would always freeze up on me or do something that would piss me off.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

if u need cheap but rather good quality board then give the Asrock 939DUAL-SATA2 a try. 50-60$, and _alot_of ppl bought it due to good reviews and the nice price so expect enough support if u run into problems. but the board is reliable and not a troublemaker. as for the cpu question, ur right, it should be difficult to get hands on a 3000+ since they are not produced anymore. too bad AMD pricing is just not decreasing but the 3200+ is still the best buy if ur on the cheap road.

 

[thegimp03]

Dont get 1.5 gb of ram. Get 2 1 gb sticks so you can run at 1T and 400 mhz effective.

There won't be a noticeable difference between the 2 amd procs. Both overclock very well with little effort so you could oc a few hundred mhz and save the cash.

 

[RussianSensation]

It wont be much of a difference. Spend the money on 7800GT instead. Get the overclocked EVGA version with a copper heatsink. It's performance nearly matches GTX card which costs $150 more.

 

[Hellotalkie]

yea but iam on a tight budget for ram. I want to atleast get name brand ram so i picked the ocz. I think 1.5 is good but if not ill just get another stick and thanks for the mobo choice Asrock 939DUAL-SATA2. I saw it but i didnt really need agp. Might as well get it then since its really the only good mb with good reviews, but newegg + reviews are sometimes never true.

 

[Mogadon]

Get the Epox 9npajgood solid board that should work for you. There's no point in you considreing the ASRock board, it was built for people that have an AGP system and want to upgrade their CPU whilst keeping the AGP card and have future upgradability options.

As you're on a budget get the 3000+.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

with all respect to public (enthusiast´s) opinion but there is almost zero advantage of 2gb over 1gb of Ram.
different reviews have shown that, too bad i can only link u to two of them and unfortunately one is in german but still the numbers are obvious
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/28cpu-games_3.html scroll down, they repeat their benches with 1 and 2gigs.
and heres a german benchmark asking: Whats the advantage of 2gb of Ram? Lots of appz, some games were tested, and their result is: unless u want certain games (bf2) to run as smooth as possible there is no need for 2gb.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...icht_was_2_gb_ram/7/#abschnitt_f_e_a_r

On the other hand i know how cheap DDR is right now, and that prices will very likely increase within this year, with AM2 coming out and memory makers switching their production to DDR2...so its ur choice eventually. If u have the couple of extra bucks, why not, but its certainly not a great boost.
id suggest to go for a 1GB Kit (eg 2x512) of value Ram though, unless all u play is bf2.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: Mogadon
the ASRock board, it was built for people that have an AGP system and want to upgrade their CPU whilst keeping the AGP card and have future upgradability options.

the more impressive thing about this board is that the asrock offers all important features and performs on par with boards like the one u listed above PLUS it doesnt come with a small and noisy fan on it.

 

[Mogadon]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
with all respect to public (enthusiast´s) opinion but there is almost zero advantage of 2gb over 1gb of Ram.
different reviews have shown that, too bad i can only link u to two of them and unfortunately one is in german but still the numbers are obvious
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/28cpu-games_3.html scroll down, they repeat their benches with 1 and 2gigs.
and heres a german benchmark asking: Whats the advantage of 2gb of Ram? Lots of appz, some games were tested, and their result is: unless u want certain games (bf2) to run as smooth as possible there is no need for 2gb.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...icht_was_2_gb_ram/7/#abschnitt_f_e_a_r

On the other hand i know how cheap DDR is right now, and that prices will very likely increase within this year, with AM2 coming out and memory makers switching their production to DDR2...so its ur choice eventually. If u have the couple of extra bucks, why not, but its certainly not a great boost.
id suggest to go for a 1GB Kit (eg 2x512) of value Ram though, unless all u play is bf2.

Not totally true. BF2 load times are significantly reduced with 2GB over 1GB, this is a well known fact and there are many reviews that substantiate this, including one or two on this very site, sorry i'm too lazy find them right now.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

post ur sources!11 i know (from forums) that bf2 benefits from 2gb regarding smoothness of gameplay, reducing laggs to almost zero but i think faster loading times are an urban myth.

 

[Mogadon]

Unless you spend a lot of money on your RAM, you can't get 1GB DDR DIMMs with the same low latencies as 512MB DIMMs. However, dual cores, multitasking, and the latest graphical manifestos in the gaming world can all benefit from more RAM rather than just faster RAM. The OCZ PC-4000 EL Gold manages still to give a decent amount of overclocking range, though it has to resort to 3-4-3 timings to do so. Personally, I'll take the 3-5% lower frame rates with up to 33% faster load times in games like Battlefield 2. I can't see the difference between 60 FPS and 63 FPS, but I can certainly tell the difference between 38 seconds and 63 seconds. (Yes, those are the actual load times for BF2 comparing 2GB to 1GB of RAM.)

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http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2659&p=4

The quote is taken from the link above, scroll to the "High-End DDR Recommendation" section. I know it doesn't have graphs and stuff to demonstrate the fact to you but i'll take his word for it. There are other comparisons around the web, i've heard google works wonders but if you'd like me to look ...

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

did you buy your cpu yet? i have a 3500+ brand new from last Xmas un-opened, 939 90nm Winchester that i'm still debating whether or not to put up on Ebay

 

[RBauer]

To be honest I have used 2 of the MIS K8N Neo-F and have had absolutely no issues.
Don't waster your money on high dollar ram just pick up some quality Kingston value cas 2.5 its cheap and works well in any board.

Myself I play BF2 and i didn't really see a big difference when I tried 1 gig or 1.5gb the most noticable difference was when I went from a 7200rpm ide to 2 36gb raptors.
Is a few seconds of load time really a big deal? is everyone really that frigin impatanet that they can not wait a few measly seconds? Especially when on a budget?

Go with the

MSI K8N Neo-2 stay away from the GigaByte I have had to replace 2 in the last week that where less then a year old

2x512mb Kingston value ram cas 2.5

western digital sata 80gb 7200 w/8mb cache

get the 6800gs (save cash and still get great performance with nice overclocks) they hit low to mid 6000's in 3dmark05 which is very respectable and are cheap!!

are u going to see the difference in 115fps to 125fps? come on get a grip its not all about bragging rights. Just get the best bang for your buck that will preform well for your needs...

 

[kyotousa]

hey how much you want to sell your 3500+?

 

[kyotousa]

which board should i buy if i want to overclock 3200 to 3500+

anything below 100USD?

 

[Farfle]

There's a big difference between 1GB and 2GB when it comes to MMOs. If you want to turn textures to maximum quality, and maximum draw distance, the more memory the merrier. I'd like to see a lot more reviews try and incorporate MMOs into their results (how, I don't know, but it would be nice if they figured out a way).

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: kyotousa
which board should i buy if i want to overclock 3200 to 3500+

anything below 100USD?

EPoX is the best board for your needs. Also dont waste your money on 1.5 gigs of RAM, just buy 1 gig of RAM for now. 3200+ is a great performer blah blah blah. Good luck on the build.

 

[l Xes l]

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