AMD 6000 series vs Nvidia gtx500 series who will win? Poll included.

[SickBeast]

I don't see why the 6970 is pitted against the GTX 580 when it's been rumored to perform close to the GTX 480 and GTX 570.

It's been well established the NV goes for monolithic high end designs whereas AMD focuses on upper midrange parts and performance per watt.

 

[Outrage]

@outrage: nobody is talking about 6930 b/c it hasn't been announced. nobody other than happy is talking about a potential nvidia 550 type card b/c it has likewise not been announced. both will probably come out some time in the next 3-6 months, however.

yeah i know, but since we have so many imaginary cards in that lineup and nvidia had an advantage in those imaginary cards it would have been a bit more fair and balanced to atleast have one more ati card in there.

 

[tyl998]

Dude the 560 will be out next month, FEB at the latest. The 6930 or gtx565 are made of gtx570's and 6950's that didnt cut the mustard, so they need to stockpile some defective chips to sell them. I think they need 30,000 defective chips to sell before release.

I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying I wished Nvidia would come out and tell us and keep us excited.

 

[busydude]

yeah i know, but since we have so many Imaginary cards in that lineup and nvidia had an advantage in those Imaginary cards it would have been a bit more fair and balanced to atleast have one more ati card in there.

Like GTX 555.5.. with half a cluster unit more than GTX 555 while consuming same power and offering half a cluster worth of additional performance.

 

[happy medium]

I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying I wished Nvidia would come out and tell us and keep us excited.

I can give you a hint. The gtx560 will be about as fast as a 5870.

 

[happy medium]

Like GTX 555.5.. with half a cluster unit more than GTX 555 while consuming same power and offering half a cluster worth of additional performance.

Let me ask you a serious question.
KNowing the next midrange chip from Nvidia is the gf114. (and this is a fact), We know the full gf114 chip is a enhanced version of a full gf104 right? or at least 99% sure. We know the full specs of a gf104 right? right.
A full 384 sp gf114 should beat a 6870. if it does not I garauntee they will adjust the clocks to do so.

The Nvidia road map leaked a few weeks back showed the gf114 chip in January. OK, theres your gtx560. What else could it be? Thats the easy one.

OK now, as far back as I can remember Nvidia takes there mid range chip and disables a working cluster, in this case it would give you a 336 sp gts550 right? The same thing as a gtx460. Now take the stock clocked gtx460 and overclock it say 100 on the core (we all know thats a given),and you have you gts550 that will beat a 6850 in every benchmark.

OR they could just rebrand the gtx460 with higher clocks and cll it a gts550

Here is the question. Can you see Nvidia doing there mid -range any other way or is this a fairly certain assessment?
I eagerly await your answer.

 

[tyl998]

Let me ask you a serious question.
KNowing the next midrange chip from Nvidia is the gf114. (and this is a fact), We know the full gf114 chip is a enhanced version of a full gf104 right? or at least 99% sure. We know the full specs of a gf104 right? right.
A full 384 sp gf114 should beat a 6870. if it does not I garauntee they will adjust the clocks to do so.

The Nvidia road map leaked a few weeks back showed the gf114 chip in January. OK, theres your gtx560. What else could it be? Thats the easy one.

OK now, as far back as I can remember Nvidia takes there mid range chip and disables a working cluster, in this case it would give you a 336 sp gts550 right? The same thing as a gtx460. Now take the stock clocked gtx460 and overclock it say 100 on the core (we all know thats a given),and you have you gts550 that will beat a 6850 in every benchmark.

OR they could just rebrand the gtx460 with higher clocks and cll it a gts550

Here is the question. Can you see Nvidia doing there mid -range any other way or is this a fairly certain assessment?
I eagerly await your answer.

Assessments seem logical. I think what the others want is for you to clearly label your claims as your own assessments and not as known facts.

 

[bryanW1995]

I am absolutely not a red teamer. In terms of product preference, I buy whatever offers me the best deal which, in the most recent case was a GTX 460 1GB. To be honest, I ran a hardware site back in the day and I found ATi to be an utter terror to deal with for getting review hardware... They patronized us by sending us t-shirts instead of video cards while 3dfx was shoveling over review units. This was years ago and I don't know how they are now. Either way, I don't exactly have fond memories.

I will argue vociferously against anyone who makes misleading or disingenuous posts. The fact that the current people are pro-nVidia doesn't mean I am on the other side of the fence.

In fact, there is no fence.

sorry, wasn't trying to be insulting. I agree that misleading/disingenuous posts are annoying no matter which side of that nonexistent fence one prefers.

 

[bryanW1995]

Like GTX 555.5.. with half a cluster unit more than GTX 555 while consuming same power and offering half a cluster worth of additional performance.

no, that would be the 9800gtx + black edition.

I can give you a hint. The gtx560 will be about as fast as a 5870.

have you forgotten that all of this is just an opinion, or have you been reading so much fud that you think that "about" is +/- 50%?

 

[happy medium]

no, that would be the 9800gtx + black edition.



have you forgotten that all of this is just an opinion, or have you been reading so much fud that you think that "about" is +/- 50%?

Do the numbers, You can figure it out within a few %.
I'm fairly certain a full gf104 can match a 6870,are you?
Do you think Nvidia won't clock them to beat a 6870?, remember they have a ton of headroom to play with.

I'm 99% sure they will use some sort of cut down (one cluster disabled) gf114 chip for the gts550. Do we agree? Whats not to know?

Usually when things are this certain no one really questions it.Why doubt it now? I don't need a Fudzilla article to figure this out.

Come on Bryan stop attacking me and reason a bit.

 

[RussianSensation]

The 6970 will be slower than my 470.

At least that's my hope.

No, HD6970 will likely be >= GTX570. HD5870 > GTX470 already; so why would AMD release another high end card 14 months later to replace the 5870, but with performance 10% slower than the 5870? :sneaky:

Besides, why would you hope that AMD brings out a slower card? You should always want the competing card to be as fast as possible - that's what progress and competition are all about. If HD6950 was faster than a GTX580, why would that be a bad thing to the consumer?

 

[tincart]

Do you think Nvidia won't clock them to beat a 6870?, remember they have a ton of headroom to play with.

nVidia would want to clock their putative, unannounced new card to beat a 6870. Whether they will or can are separate issues upon which we can only speculate.

I'm 99% sure they will use some sort of cut down (one cluster disabled) gf114 chip for the gts550. Do we agree? Whats not to know?

What's not to know is whether they will in fact do anything like that. What's not to know is whether such a card is even coming, since there has been no official information regarding it.

Usually when things are this certain no one really questions it.Why doubt it now? I don't need a Fudzilla article to figure this out.

Come on Bryan stop attacking me and reason a bit.

We cannot arrive at the specifications or even the existence of unannounced video cards through reason. What reason tells us, if anything, is that we should avoid making any unfounded assumptions until there is some solid, verifiable evidence.

 

[happy medium]

Assessments seem logical. I think what the others want is for you to clearly label your claims as your own assessments and not as known facts.

You are right, they are not facts but anyone with a half of a brain can figure this out. I know I'm not that smart. (about the gtx560/gts550)

On the other hand..........

The 6970/6950 vs the gtx570/580? It's gonna be close,but all things are pointing to another gtx280/285 4870/4890 spectacle where the gtx 280/285 is faster but AMD is cheaper.

 

[Wreckage]

Besides, why would you hope that AMD brings out a slower card? You should always want the competing card to be as fast as possible - that's what progress and competition are all about.

I just got a new card so, I want to look impressive for as long as possible now. :thumbsup:

Thanks to driver updates and such the 470 is ahead of the 5870.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/20088/5

 

[heflys]

Thanks to driver updates and such the 470 is ahead of the 5870.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/20088/5

In two games that the 470 was superior in before the driver update? (sigh)

 

[happy medium]

Looks like the 6900 series is gonna lose also.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21177-radeon-hd-6950-is-class-of-its-own

 

[PingviN]

Looks like the 6900 series is gonna lose also.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21177-radeon-hd-6950-is-class-of-its-own

Do note that HD6990 is also a part of the HD6900 series.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I just got a new card so, I want to look impressive for as long as possible now. :thumbsup:

Thanks to driver updates and such the 470 is ahead of the 5870.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/20088/5

HAHAHA

More like "Thanks to me cherry picking 2 games that heavily favor Nvidia hardware, the 470 is ahead of the 5870."

Oh and also I forgot to say it on my first post, poll is flawed because it has the wrong price points, and price points are the main factor for comparing cards

As we have seen by the AMD slide, the 6970 will be placed against the 570... If both are 350$, then thats the comparison you should make, not this

If I follow the same logic, I can make a thread like:

"Who will win?"

6970 > GTX 460
6950 > GTX 285
6870 > 9800GTX

See my point? Thats exactly what you are doing, throwing around random comparisons without any clue about price points

 

[happy medium]

Do note that HD6990 is also a part of the HD6900 series.

The only way the 6990 might win is if they use 2 6970's vs 2 gtx570's. Even then its gonna be close.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I don't think, if there will be a 550, it will be as fast or faster than a 460. It will perform somewhere between a GTS 450 and the GTX 460 SE, probably closer to the SE. It's possible Nvidia won't refresh the lower end cards, either, like they did (or did not) with the GTX 200 series.

 

[tincart]

The only way the 6990 might win is if they use 2 6970's vs 2 gtx570's. Even then its gonna be close.

Win against what?

 

[happy medium]

I don't think, if there will be a 550, it will be as fast or faster than a 460. It will perform somewhere between a GTS 450 and the GTX 460 SE, probably closer to the SE. It's possible Nvidia won't refresh the lower end cards, either, like they did (or did not) with the GTX 200 series.

How do you figure a 336 sp gts550 (cut down gtx560) will perform less then a gtx460? The gtx460 has 336sp's also. Nvidia cuts down the full gf114 (gtx560 with 384sp's) and raise the clocks a little. Instant win vs the 6850.

Edit: or just rename the gtx460 with higher clocks to a gts550. Another instant win vs the 6850.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

How do you figure a 336 sp gts550 (cut down gtx560) will perform less then a gtx460? The gtx460 has 336sp's also. Nvidia cuts down the full gf114 (gtx560 with 384sp's) and raise the clocks a little. Instant win vs the 6850.

I don't think it will have 336 shaders.

 

[happy medium]

I don't think it will have 336 shaders.

Why do you think they will use the gf116 chip for it with only 256 cores?
Thats a pretty big gap. 384 shader gtx560 to a 256 shader gts550.

 

[Aristotelian]

I just looked at the poll results (having voted myself) and I'm surprised that so many people think the 6970 will be faster than the 580. It would mean that AMD's 5970 is slower than the 6970 - the top end gpu chip being faster than the previous gen's dual gpu card. Doesn't seem so likely to me, but who knows I guess (and that's the point of this thread?)