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BFG10K

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Wow, even the number 3 card has 16GB VRAM and is faster than the 2080TI. And the $1000 6900XT matches the $1500 3090 in performance.

The 3000 parts don't look so hot now.

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It's astonishing what AMD have managed to achieve with both the Ryzen 5000 and the Radeon 6000, especially given the absolutely minuscule R&D budget and resources compared to nVidia/Intel. Lisa Su is definitely the "Steve Jobs" of AMD with such a remarkable turnaround.

6900XT:
(It's absolutely amazing to see AMD compete with the 3090)


 
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ModEl4

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Judging from AMD presentation (and the message that AMD is trying to pass - that it has a card that can compete with 3090) as far I can tell we would have in 4K:
(I made the assumption that Rage+SAM brings around +5% on average more performance, this certainly don't hurt AMD because for example if Rage+Sam was more, let's say 10%, this would mean that on a 10900K w/t Rage, 6900XT is just at 3080 level...)
3090 = 6900XT with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage)
3090 = +5% 6900XT (10900K w/t Rage)
3080 = -2.5% 6800XT with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage)
3080 = +2.5% 6800XT (10900K w/t Rage)
3070 = -13% 6800 with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage) (13% margin is 15% markup, which correlate well with Coreteks claim of +15% perf vs 2080Ti in select AMD optimized games)
3070 = -8.5% 6800 (10900K without Rage)
The thing is that AMD's 3080 results in Borderlands and Gears 5 are too low, for example in Gears TechPowerup achieved 84.4fps in Ultra preset with i9-9900K@ 5.0GHz. Also the game suite that AMD used is not exactly in Nvidia's favor. With more games tested I think the average results will be at least +2.5% in Nvidia's favor and we will have:
3090 = +2.5% 6900XT with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage)
3090 = +7.5% 6900XT (10900K w/t Rage)
3080 = 6800XT with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage)
3080 = +5% 6800XT (10900K w/t Rage)
3070 = -11% 6800 with Rage & SAM (Zen3 with Rage)
3070 = -6% 6800 (10900K w/t Rage)
I think that AMD is expecting (tomorrow-17 November?) Nvidia to announce 3080Ti 12GB (312TC, $999?, -2% from 3090?) and 3070Ti 10GB (232TC, $599?, -11% from 3080?) and since 3070Ti will have better perf/$ vs 3080 in contrast with 6800 vs 6800XT, I think AMD will drop 6800 and possibly even 6900XT. (that's why the $579 peculiar price tag? lol I don't like it at all) Probably 6800 will be $549, competitive with 3070Ti in the same degree as 6800XT vs 3080 regarding performance/$.
And possibly 6900XT to $899, on 10900K w/t Rage, 3080Ti should be +5% vs 6900XT and since 12GB is enough, AMD will have nothing to offer if stays at $999. Of course these are all assumptions, I don't have anything to back this up, maybe I'm overthinking it, I don't know, we will see.
 

Gloomy

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Pleasantly surprised by SAM. Thought it was another stupid vendor specific feature that wasn't going to be supported, but no it works on every game and is actually a really cool removal of a traditional bottleneck on PCs.

It's also interesting that AMD is now more efficient than Nvidia. Hopefully they still have some overclocking headroom; AMD seemed to be content not to raise the TDP beyond 300 watts and go full retard like Nvidia did, so I'm hopeful.

As for RT and DLSS, I won't comment without more information. I'm actually really annoyed AMD is being coy with this stuff, even if the 6800XT is 30% slower than the 3080 at ray tracing alone... that's actually not that bad. So I don't understand the silence. And no release date for the DLSS competitor is dumb. 😔
 

Qwertilot

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They can't actually do a 'real' DLSS competitor. DLSS only works because of all the die space NV have devoted to the tensor cores to speed up neutral net processing.

Otherwise it wouldn't speed anything up.

The tensor cores were originally a deep learning thing that was a very definite hindrance to the gaming side in Turing at least.

NV are getting some major payback now of course but it took a lot of work from their software people.
 

Qwertilot

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AMD is not stupid hopefully. They are probably holding back some driver optimizations etc. in case nVidia is hiding an ace up their sleeve. They badly need to win against nVidia in this round of GPU wars.
Come on :) AMD don't badly need anything!
(Unless you could magic up an extra fab or two for TSMC.).

AMD are printing money left and right with Zen3, selling an enormous number of console chips etc.

In some ways they're still not even really quite turning up for this round. Starting months behind with a slow deployment of the smaller chips etc.

Definitely an improvement though :)
 

biostud

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$80 extra is for the 8GB additional VRAM. They need to make a few bucks too, unless nVidia declares an all out price war.
They can only expect a certain percent of dies to be perfect, so they use those in the 6900XT and put a price premium on the card limiting the demand for this card. Most dies can be used for the 6800XT so they put a higher price here than the 6800, and makes the 6800XT the best card price/performance, and giving AMD som good margins. To prevent the 6800 to be the best card in price/perforamnce they put a high price on it, so the don't need to sell too many, and lower their margins.
 

AtenRa

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If NVIDIA had a 15-20% higher performance and double the VRAM against the competition , they would priced their card at 200$ higher and everyone would agree with that price due to higher performance and double the VRAM.
Now AMD does that with 6800 vs 3070 and its overpriced for just 70$ more ??
 

Head1985

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They can only expect a certain percent of dies to be perfect, so they use those in the 6900XT and put a price premium on the card limiting the demand for this card. Most dies can be used for the 6800XT so they put a higher price here than the 6800, and makes the 6800XT the best card price/performance, and giving AMD som good margins. To prevent the 6800 to be the best card in price/perforamnce they put a high price on it, so the don't need to sell too many, and lower their margins.
Same with 5700/5700XT.They even wanted sell 250mm2 5700xt for 450usd before nv super lineup.Then they lowered price for 400usd.Anyway 5700 non xt was pretty bad value(even oc locked) and most sales was 5700XT
 
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Head1985

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If NVIDIA had a 15-20% higher performance and double the VRAM against the competition , they would priced their card at 200$ higher and everyone would agree with that price due to higher performance and double the VRAM.
Now AMD does that with 6800 vs 3070 and its overpriced for just 70$ more ??
15-20% where?They said 18% average with SAM enabled.And SAM working only on ryzen 5000+B550/X570 and add another 5-11% performance.So it will be like 8-10% in wide game test without it.
 
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gk1951

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The words hate, wipe out, humiliate, smash, demolish etc get so over used when comparing cpus and now gpus.

I think what is obvious from AMDs presentation of its Zen3 cpus and now RDNA2 Radeon 6000 series gpus is that it is back in high end competition with both Intel and Nvidia.

I remember "upgrading" my Gateway 2000 386/33 Intel chip with an AMD 386/40. Oh those were the days.

Neither Intel or Nvidia will sit back and allow themselves to be overtaken. The good news for consumers is neither will AMD anymore.

What I find to be refreshing from the gpu Radeon division is the elimination of bravado boasts from the past.

Dr. Lisa Su has instilled a "Detective Joe Friday from Dragnet" philosophy at AMD. Just the facts Mam, just the facts.

Intel has a boatload of money and some very smart engineers. It will compete just fine.

Nvidia has incredible marketing power and superb engineering and it will do just fine.

For me the 5900x/6800XT combo will really leverage the potential of my MSI X570 Unify mb.
 

Kedas

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They talked about higher bandwidth due to 128MB Cache.
I would think there is also an important latency advantage they didn't give details about?
 
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antihelten

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15-20% where?They said 18% average with SAM enabled.And SAM working only on ryzen 5000+B550/X570 and add another 5-11% performance.So it will be like 8-10% in wide game test without it.
SAM isn't that much performance. Based on the slide AMD showed, SAM plus RAGE is an average of 5.5%, or 6% if you ignore the outliers of DOOM and Forza.

However this number includes Rage, which AMD has stated is responsible for 1-2% of the performance uplift (source). So SAM on it's own would bring about 4-4.5% on average.

The slide from AMD of the 6800 showed it roughly 15% ahead of the 2080 Ti with SAM, so it would be about 10% without SAM.

So not 15-20% faster, but not $200 more either.

NVIDIA doubled the price for 10% higher performance and double the VRAM :p
But basically no one agrees with that price though, so that's hardly relevant.
 

etrin

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I hope they sell a lot of these and it keeps nvidia inline on pricing. BUT I have head too many horror stories about drivers and SLOW updates. That scares me too much to try amd.
 

AMD64Blondie

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I'm in a quandary trying to decide(I'm waiting until prices drop on both the Radeon RX 6800,and the RTX 3070),which company to go for.

My current card is a Nvidia GTX 1080 8 GB, hooked up to a 32-inch 1440p Samsung LCD monitor.

The last AMD video card I had was a Radeon X1900XT...IIRC.
 

Kenmitch

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Looks like we go the 1st official paper launch from PowerCooler

 
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igor_kavinski

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AMD may not be in any hurry to release the 6700 and lower SKUs. They will first let their partners clear out the 5000 series stock. Come November 18, who anticipates that they deliver the exciting news to current 5000 series owners that a new driver will make their cards fully "DX12 Ultimate"-compliant?
 

dzoni2k2

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Looks like we go the 1st official paper launch from PowerCooler

Literally.
 
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