AMD 5000+ BE woes - old problem no solution

[The Bakery]

I'm trying to determine if I need a new MOBO or a new CPU.

My X2 5000+ Black edition runs 35c idle and 60c load (max).

This is after a new HSF, multiple reseatings, cleanings, maximizing
of airflow, removal of case sides, etc. (I have posted this issue before
with no solution)

My HSF from a 3800+ (previous processor) does not prevent the CPU
from toppling 70c and auto-shutting down during stress.

Obviously this is bunk, it's a supposedly cool running overclock champ,
and my chip with no overclock runs much hotter than others WITH an
overclock.

Is there any chance that my CPU is defective, or the motherboard could
be causing the overheating.

I'm at a loss here, and ready to buy new hardware. This CPU was supposed
to be a step up with opportunity to further OC down the road, which is obviously
not possible unless I purchase a much more effective cooling solution, which
makes purchasing a cool overclocker moot.

Thanks in advance, specs below.

 

[Markfw]

What HSF are you running, the stock one ? If so, to OC, you need an aftermarket HSF. With the stock one@stock, 60c full load sounds normal.

 

[The Bakery]

I'm using an Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Heatsink, topping at 60c.
The stock heatsink I used before caused the CPU to crash out above 70c on load.

The confusion comes from a plethora of people using the same cooler, or other
comparable coolers and running a good 10-15c cooler than my chip on load, when
I have no overclock.

Doesn't seem right, and doesn't seem like that's much headroom to OC in my case.

 

[nyker96]

I have a AC Freezer pro 64 on a 754 system. It works. I also is typing on a machine with AC Freezer pro 775 version, seems to cool my OCed 3.2 E2xxx quite adequately. I mean temperatures of 60C/70C are somewhat normal for Intel CPUs, why do you think it is too high for your X2 5000+ BE?

 

[The Bakery]

Because many other people obtain much cooler temperatures, and the max operating temp for the X2 5000+ is 55-70c.

When playing Bioshock without the side of my case removed, the CPU would eventually get hot enough to cause a loss
in game performance.

From what I understand, you should be able to max load the CPU with no performance issues if it is properly cooled and
functioning.

Edit - if overclocked, would it then be prudent to load a CPU at over 60c all the time?

 

[Markfw]

70c is the top IMO, OC'ed or not. You might just have a chip that runs hot, and a high VID, and won't OC well at all.

 

[The Bakery]

See, that's my point.

I bought the chip because it is a small process, supposed to run COOL. The entire point of this
chip's release was that it is unlocked and is intended to overclock very well.

If it sounds hot, and a bad overclocker, I've got an issue. Thats my problem.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

My g/f has a similar setup to yours - same CPU, HSF, TA770 mobo.

Whoever told you the 5000+ BE was a great overclocker was not accurate. They typically overclock by around 20% or so. They are EASY overclockers, not great.

There's a good chance your Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Heatsink is not making great contact with the CPU. The bottom of the HSF might be slightly concave - some users have noted this, and wound up lapping it.

My g/f's 5000+ BE is currently running @ 3.1 Ghz, about 62C under double-Prime95. Her case doesn't have great airflow, otherwise temps would be a bit lower.

 

[The Bakery]

I hadn't thought to check the level of the HS base. I'm going
to disassemble it and verify that it is flush, and then check out
my temps again.

I guess if I can get it ~3ghz and ~60c I'll call it fair and that
will be the ceiling until I upgrade.

I am beginning to feel confirmed that I expected too much out
of this chip from the get go, and am simply having minor issues
with the 64 pro cooler reigning it in under 60c stock.

Thanks.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I ran the AC7 with my overclocked/over volted Phenom for quite a while without any problems. That cooler should be plenty for a 5000+ at stock. Are you sure that the voltages are set to auto? Sounds like something is not contacting correctly to me.

 

[daveybrat]

http://www.geeks.com/details.a...d=AMD-AM2-6000&cat=FAN

Try using the AMD original heatsink/fan designed for the 6000+ processor. I use this Copper heatpipe unit on my AMD 5600+ 2.9GHz cpu and it runs extremely cool. I highly recommend it.

And it clips on nice and tight!

 

[error8]

Like SlowSpider said, make sure your mobo doesn't overvolt the cpu for some reason. But, 60 C for this chip is not high at all. I remember I ran my 4000+ X2 up to 68 C at one time and nothing bad happened. If I remember correctly, 72-74 C is the maximum temp that these 65nm cpus have.

 

[ther00kie16]

What are you using to read the temp? By default, many of the x2 cpus (5000BE included) read about 21C below actual temp so perhaps the software you are using to read the temperature is inaccurately accounting for this offset.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: ther00kie16
What are you using to read the temp? By default, many of the x2 cpus (5000BE included) read about 21C below actual temp so perhaps the software you are using to read the temperature is inaccurately accounting for this offset.

Doesn't look like the case with the OP. If that were the case, then he would be running 39C at load when the system is reporting 60C; highly unlikely.

Without knowing the rest of the cooling situation the OP is using in his rig, I would think he should be getting ~ 50C @ load running default speed/voltage.

In my PC, I'm currently running an X2 4000+ (G1 stepping) @ 3 Ghz, using a Coolermaster Vortex 752 I had laying around. The fan's very quiet @ idle, gets a bit louder - but not bad - when ramped up, my CPU's temp @ load is around 50C. Of course, the big, slow 250mm fan in the side of the case helps quite a bit.

 

[The Bakery]

My case is here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811119077

I really don't think ventilation/airflow is my issue.

Edit -

My BIOS does have the CPU VID set at the upper limit that it's rated for. But I think that
a big issue here is discrepancy in the heat reporting.

CoreTemp - 27c and 31c CPU 1/2
RightMark - 27c and 31c CPU 1/2
OCCT - 27c and 31c CPU 1/2
Speedfan - 127c, 32c and 40c listed for the same sensor (?)
Everest - 40c listed for CPU same sensor as above

My BIOS reads 44c idle so I don't know who to trust here. Apparently the Brisbane CPU's
have thermal sensor issues, but most people report that temps are far too low (5-12c)
whereas my range is higher (27-44c idle depending on app)

Guess I can't rely on the thermal sensor. I wonder if that's what the BIOS polls for
shutdown temperatures.

I would like to believe the 27/21c is accurate but who knows.

 

[error8]

Bios temp is not idle, from what I've seen. The cpu still does something when it's in bios and feels to be more loaded then it is when sitting idle in windows, so I never trust bios to report a good idle temp. 27/31 C seems the accurate temperature. Now it depends on what room temp you got. If you have 28 C in your room, then those temps are incorrect . If you have around 20-22 C, then 27/31 C might be the real ones.

 

[Rhoxed]

what is the exact voltage your running the chip at? (in bios and in cpu-z)

 

[The Bakery]

My ambient room temp is somewhere around 21c (no thermometer to check exactly)

My core is 1.325 set manually in BIOS, 1.328 in CPU-Z (fluctuates by.005 or so)

This was lowered from my auto settings of 1.36 in BIOS