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[imported_Shivetya]

hree commission member-nations hunt whales in significant numbers. Japan conducts what it calls scientific whaling. Norway and Iceland openly defy the international ban. The whaling nations say stocks of some species are no longer endangered and do not need protection. In addition, an exemption allows indigenous communities in places like Greenland and Alaska to hunt whales. More than 25,000 whales have been killed since 1986.

Why not force them to farm raise them if they are going to use them for food or other uses? What, Japan, Norway, and Iceland, run out of baby seals to club?

 

[EagleKeeper]

1) Whales need a large area to live in. It is impractical to expect them to survice in a fenced off bay.

2) What do baby seals have to do with the whales, unless you are thinking of orcas which feed on the seals.

 

[extra]

Because someone, somewhere, wants to eat a delicious mouth-watering whale steak!

Nahh, in all seriousness, I think some species are too intelligent to be hunted, but I can't impose my views on some guy in another country obviously.

The thing that pisses me off the most is how they call it scientific research. Give me a break lol.

Letting indigenous people in rural Alaska or Greenland or Norway or something who live out in the middle of nowhere hunt a few a year is one thing. Big commercial whaling ships hunting hundreds a year under a guise of "scientific research" is totally different and just mind boggling. I don't think the two issues are even comparable.

 

[CanOWorms]

I believe that it's Canada that clubs baby seals in some sort of strange tradition.

I don't see why indigenous populations in Alaska or Canada or wherever can be allowed to hunt when other populations that want to eat the same meat cannot. They're just animals. Let them eat as long as they aren't endangered.

 

[Kwaipie]

My understanding is that the Japanese "researchers" cut off the tail and fins and leave the carcass to die. It is disgusting and reprehensible. Japan should be ashamed of themselves. The byproduct of this research seems to always end up in the Japanese marketplace. Japan will now be adding 50 humpback whales to their "research".

Iceland and Norway are also on my SH|TLIST. They both export to Japan. pricks.

 

[Moonbeam]

Self hate destroys empathy. Without empathy there is no love. Without love there can be no morality. Without morality there is only cold hard cunning and calculation. A whale becomes a thing and all that matters is when and how you can use it. Only you as a walking dead can awaken. Only the memory of a life you once had can ........... well you know, don't you?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: extra
Because someone, somewhere, wants to eat a delicious mouth-watering whale steak!

Nahh, in all seriousness, I think some species are too intelligent to be hunted, but I can't impose my views on some guy in another country obviously.

The thing that pisses me off the most is how they call it scientific research. Give me a break lol.

Letting indigenous people in rural Alaska or Greenland or Norway or something who live out in the middle of nowhere hunt a few a year is one thing. Big commercial whaling ships hunting hundreds a year under a guise of "scientific research" is totally different and just mind boggling. I don't think the two issues are even comparable.

You mean like a catch limit? lol

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Self hate destroys empathy. Without empathy there is no love. Without love there can be no morality. Without morality there is only cold hard cunning and calculation. A whale becomes a thing and all that matters is when and how you can use it. Only you as a walking dead can awaken. Only the memory of a life you once had can ........... well you know, don't you?

You lost me on no love no morality. Pretty wrong statement. But, the rest is right. At least for my empty shell it is.

/thread derail off

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I believe that it's Canada that clubs baby seals in some sort of strange tradition.

I don't see why indigenous populations in Alaska or Canada or wherever can be allowed to hunt when other populations that want to eat the same meat cannot. They're just animals. Let them eat as long as they aren't endangered.

It's not the indigents clubbing harp seals, it is the fur industry. Most of the time, they just leave the skinned animal where it lays. If they have time, they'll haul the carcass back to feed the animals on the fur farm. It's an especially nice treat when they skin the animal alive and yank out the penis bone on the males. Which goes right back to Japan and China. Limp dicked MFers.

 

[blackangst1]

Im not intending to flame, but a rhetorical question: why even care? Seriously. Would it affect your life if whale deaths increased 10%? No. Who friggin cares?

Let me reverse this for you. Last year 52 new species were discovered. Did your life improve because of it? No. Did it affect you in any way? No. Not unless youre a researcher.

Get over it. Man is at the top of the preverbial food chain, the rest is fair game.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Im not intending to flame, but a rhetorical question: why even care? Seriously. Would it affect your life if whale deaths increased 10%? No. Who friggin cares?

Let me reverse this for you. Last year 52 new species were discovered. Did your life improve because of it? No. Did it affect you in any way? No. Not unless youre a researcher.

Get over it. Man is at the top of the preverbial food chain, the rest is fair game.

There is mass genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Why should we care? How did it affect me?/you? We care because we are human beings with empathy and know right from wrong. Whaling and seal clubbing is just plain wrong. Simple.

 

[Double Trouble]

Why care? Geez, what a dumb question. Because we want to preserve one of the most magnificent creatures on earth for our children and grandchildren. Because there simply is no need to kill them, and because we can study them to learn more about the oceans.

The Japanese should be ashamed of themselves, allowing this to happen.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Leave the native Alaskans off that list. Norway and Japan are the real bad guys here. What they're doing is truly disgusting. Harvesting thousands of whales, throwing away huge portions of the whales... It's just wrong. Scientific whaling is a complete joke.

Native Alaskans take a dozen or so animals a year and they use EVERYTHING.

We almost wiped them out once. Are we going for round 2 now?


Edit: According to the Pacific Whale Foundation, the US is one of the largest benefactors of Japanese "scientific" whaling. Apparently whale oil is the single greatest lubricant known to man and we can't duplicate it synthetically. We use it in satellites and other ultra-high tech applications. Just FYI.

The article kind of bypassed that little factoid when it was doling out the blame.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Im not intending to flame, but a rhetorical question: why even care? Seriously. Would it affect your life if whale deaths increased 10%? No. Who friggin cares?

Let me reverse this for you. Last year 52 new species were discovered. Did your life improve because of it? No. Did it affect you in any way? No. Not unless youre a researcher.

Get over it. Man is at the top of the preverbial food chain, the rest is fair game.

There is mass genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Why should we care? How did it affect me?/you? We care because we are human beings with empathy and know right from wrong. Whaling and seal clubbing is just plain wrong. Simple.

Dont put words in my mouth. I never suggested human killing = animal killing. If you made that stretch, thats on you. I never did. Get over it.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Self hate destroys empathy. Without empathy there is no love. Without love there can be no morality. Without morality there is only cold hard cunning and calculation. A whale becomes a thing and all that matters is when and how you can use it. Only you as a walking dead can awaken. Only the memory of a life you once had can ........... well you know, don't you?

You lost me on no love no morality. Pretty wrong statement. But, the rest is right. At least for my empty shell it is.

Whereas I'm not sure to what "the memory of a life you once had" is referring. Some idealized, pre-trauma childhood? That period 27 past-lives ago when I was king? Or just some indefinite past when things were better?

I knew an old soldier once who kept recounting the same war stories over and over and over and over.

Those who remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
Iceland and Norway are also on my SH|TLIST. They both export to Japan. pricks.

You say that as if it actually matters.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
There is mass genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Why should we care? How did it affect me?

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[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I believe that it's Canada that clubs baby seals in some sort of strange tradition.

I don't see why indigenous populations in Alaska or Canada or wherever can be allowed to hunt when other populations that want to eat the same meat cannot. They're just animals. Let them eat as long as they aren't endangered.

It's not the indigents clubbing harp seals, it is the fur industry. Most of the time, they just leave the skinned animal where it lays. If they have time, they'll haul the carcass back to feed the animals on the fur farm. It's an especially nice treat when they skin the animal alive and yank out the penis bone on the males. Which goes right back to Japan and China. Limp dicked MFers.

Indigenous hunters of whales in Alaska, Canada, Greenland, etc. aren't exactly humane to the whales. Sometimes it takes 20 minutes for the whale to die. I believe that one report says that the commercial hunting of whales brought quicker death.

Some of the indigenous hunters use explosives. Many also resell the whale meat or decorations/ornaments made of whale material. It's almost a commercial enterprise in itself!

Cultures evolve. If anyone wants to eat whale meat, they should be allowed to do so.

Whales are not sacred to anyone. Cows are sacred to hundreds of millions of people. Should we stop eating them, too? We don't exactly treat animals raised for meat well. Why do whales require such strict treatment?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Self hate destroys empathy. Without empathy there is no love. Without love there can be no morality. Without morality there is only cold hard cunning and calculation. A whale becomes a thing and all that matters is when and how you can use it. Only you as a walking dead can awaken. Only the memory of a life you once had can ........... well you know, don't you?

You lost me on no love no morality. Pretty wrong statement. But, the rest is right. At least for my empty shell it is.

Whereas I'm not sure to what "the memory of a life you once had" is referring. Some idealized, pre-trauma childhood? That period 27 past-lives ago when I was king? Or just some indefinite past when things were better?

I knew an old soldier once who kept recounting the same war stories over and over and over and over.

Those who remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Your first guess, the one you knew intuitively to be right, was of course, what I referred to, except, naturally, there was nothing idealized about it. It was real and so were you. Have you never in living memory lain of the grass and looked at the clouds and felt it return to you, the infinite pleasure and joy of pure being?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Self hate destroys empathy. Without empathy there is no love. Without love there can be no morality. Without morality there is only cold hard cunning and calculation. A whale becomes a thing and all that matters is when and how you can use it. Only you as a walking dead can awaken. Only the memory of a life you once had can ........... well you know, don't you?

You lost me on no love no morality. Pretty wrong statement. But, the rest is right. At least for my empty shell it is.

Whereas I'm not sure to what "the memory of a life you once had" is referring. Some idealized, pre-trauma childhood? That period 27 past-lives ago when I was king? Or just some indefinite past when things were better?

I knew an old soldier once who kept recounting the same war stories over and over and over and over.

Those who remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Your first guess, the one you knew intuitively to be right, was of course, what I referred to, except, naturally, there was nothing idealized about it. It was real and so were you. Have you never in living memory lain of the grass and looked at the clouds and felt it return to you, the infinite pleasure and joy of pure being?

I dont. *shrug* edit: took out my padded cell comment cuz your posts always amuse me Moon

 

[CyberDuck]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
hree commission member-nations hunt whales in significant numbers. Japan conducts what it calls scientific whaling. Norway and Iceland openly defy the international ban. The whaling nations say stocks of some species are no longer endangered and do not need protection. In addition, an exemption allows indigenous communities in places like Greenland and Alaska to hunt whales. More than 25,000 whales have been killed since 1986.

Why not force them to farm raise them if they are going to use them for food or other uses? What, Japan, Norway, and Iceland, run out of baby seals to club?

Since I am from Norway I might bring some enlightenment on the subject. I?m far from an expert on the topic, but so am obviously none of the debaters here either.

Harvesting whales is a very old tradition in Norway, believed to be going back for as long as there have been people in this country. The first written laws about whaling are more than 1000 years old. Its part of the culture, and this part of the culture we want to keep as long as it does not endanger the species of whales being harvested. The type of whale being cached now is of type mink whale. There around 85 000 Mink Whales in the Barents sea area, and last years quota for whaling was 1052 individuals. The catching is being done by quite small vessels like the one on this picture: Nowegian Whaling Boat

There are very strict control of the caching, last year every boat had to have an inspector form the government on board all the time when out looking for whales. Whales are being killed by explosive harpoons, and should be killed as fast as possible.

The latest years there have been a lot of international opposition against whaling, mainly because of Greenpeace and other environmental organizations propaganda campaigns sponsored by very rich people with to much money and some sort of dirty conscience. Greenpeace and others also buy off small countries who have newer ever been near to a whale or have any whatsoever knowledge about the subject. This countries then votes in the international whaling commission, and keeps the ban on whaling going even if there is no scientific reason for it. Norway does not accept this, and have been whaling for domestic consumption the last years. We intend to continue with this, and the Norwegian population is thoroughly behind the government in this policy. We see whales as (big) food (and big people need big food you know ). In some cultures, like the American, they have bought the Greenpeace propaganda about whales that they are intelligent and cute and what not, well, so are cows in my mind, so, stop eating those burgers!

Regards

Jostein

 

[Arkaign]

JEEZ, didn't these guys see Star Trek 4? We're going to need those Whales! Or was that in the past? Maybe we'll need them again!! The Whale space probe wants to know!!!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: CyberDuck

Originally posted by: Shivetya
hree commission member-nations hunt whales in significant numbers. Japan conducts what it calls scientific whaling. Norway and Iceland openly defy the international ban. The whaling nations say stocks of some species are no longer endangered and do not need protection. In addition, an exemption allows indigenous communities in places like Greenland and Alaska to hunt whales. More than 25,000 whales have been killed since 1986.

Why not force them to farm raise them if they are going to use them for food or other uses? What, Japan, Norway, and Iceland, run out of baby seals to club?

Since I am from Norway I might bring some enlightenment on the subject. I?m far from an expert on the topic, but so am obviously none of the debaters here either.

Harvesting whales is a very old tradition in Norway, believed to be going back for as long as there have been people in this country. The first written laws about whaling are more than 1000 years old. Its part of the culture, and this part of the culture we want to keep as long as it does not endanger the species of whales being harvested. The type of whale being cached now is of type mink whale. There around 85 000 Mink Whales in the Barents sea area, and last years quota for whaling was 1052 individuals. The catching is being done by quite small vessels like the one on this picture: Nowegian Whaling Boat

There are very strict control of the caching, last year every boat had to have an inspector form the government on board all the time when out looking for whales. Whales are being killed by explosive harpoons, and should be killed as fast as possible.

The latest years there have been a lot of international opposition against whaling, mainly because of Greenpeace and other environmental organizations propaganda campaigns sponsored by very rich people with to much money and some sort of dirty conscience. Greenpeace and others also buy off small countries who have newer ever been near to a whale or have any whatsoever knowledge about the subject. This countries then votes in the international whaling commission, and keeps the ban on whaling going even if there is no scientific reason for it. Norway does not accept this, and have been whaling for domestic consumption the last years. We intend to continue with this, and the Norwegian population is thoroughly behind the government in this policy. We see whales as (big) food (and big people need big food you know ). In some cultures, like the American, they have bought the Greenpeace propaganda about whales that they are intelligent and cute and what not, well, so are cows in my mind, so, stop eating those burgers!

Regards

Jostein

Thanks for a first hand opinion Jost

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: CyberDuck

Originally posted by: Shivetya
hree commission member-nations hunt whales in significant numbers. Japan conducts what it calls scientific whaling. Norway and Iceland openly defy the international ban. The whaling nations say stocks of some species are no longer endangered and do not need protection. In addition, an exemption allows indigenous communities in places like Greenland and Alaska to hunt whales. More than 25,000 whales have been killed since 1986.

Why not force them to farm raise them if they are going to use them for food or other uses? What, Japan, Norway, and Iceland, run out of baby seals to club?

Since I am from Norway I might bring some enlightenment on the subject. I?m far from an expert on the topic, but so am obviously none of the debaters here either.

Harvesting whales is a very old tradition in Norway, believed to be going back for as long as there have been people in this country. The first written laws about whaling are more than 1000 years old. Its part of the culture, and this part of the culture we want to keep as long as it does not endanger the species of whales being harvested. The type of whale being cached now is of type mink whale. There around 85 000 Mink Whales in the Barents sea area, and last years quota for whaling was 1052 individuals. The catching is being done by quite small vessels like the one on this picture: Nowegian Whaling Boat

There are very strict control of the caching, last year every boat had to have an inspector form the government on board all the time when out looking for whales. Whales are being killed by explosive harpoons, and should be killed as fast as possible.

The latest years there have been a lot of international opposition against whaling, mainly because of Greenpeace and other environmental organizations propaganda campaigns sponsored by very rich people with to much money and some sort of dirty conscience. Greenpeace and others also buy off small countries who have newer ever been near to a whale or have any whatsoever knowledge about the subject. This countries then votes in the international whaling commission, and keeps the ban on whaling going even if there is no scientific reason for it. Norway does not accept this, and have been whaling for domestic consumption the last years. We intend to continue with this, and the Norwegian population is thoroughly behind the government in this policy. We see whales as (big) food (and big people need big food you know ). In some cultures, like the American, they have bought the Greenpeace propaganda about whales that they are intelligent and cute and what not, well, so are cows in my mind, so, stop eating those burgers!

Regards

Jostein

Does whale taste like chicken?

 

[CyberDuck]

Originally posted by: tw1164

Does whale taste like chicken?

No, the meat is deep red in color, and taste like beef , only more fatty in a way, maybe with a dash of fish oil taste depending on the way its prepared. Not easy to describe taste really. Some pictures here http://www.hvalbiff.no/