AMATEUR/PRO Photographers: Panasonic DMC-L1 DSLR @ Bestbuy for $999.99!!! HOTTT

finbarqs

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Yes, Best Buy has the Panasonic DMC-L1 DSLR KIT w/ the Leica 14-50mm for a Low 999.99. Don't miss out on this, the lens itself is worth $1k!!!! You can price match it at CC or Fry's if you don't like BB's service. This is an awesome camera with an Awesome lens! The Leica lens itself has been said to put Canon's L series (luxury) to shame!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...oduct&id=1152836576161
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: vortix
http://cgi.ebay.com/panasonic-...VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This camera/lens combo sold on eBay brand new recently for $913. I am not familiar with Panasonic DSLRs or Leica lenses....just making an observation.

If the camera is taken out of the box, or sold by someone that is not an authorized reseller, it's not brand new.

This is an awesome lens, decent camera. I might get it to resell the body.
 

tracerbullet

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That's a rockin' price, no doubt. I have a full Canon setup I'm not willing to jump ship from, but my dad has been lusting for this model for months. I just sent him the info, I wouldn't be surprised if he finally gets it.

Thanks!
 

touchmyichi

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Yeah, this could be a really hot deal for Olympus owners. You can get some great lenses and resell the body for a pretty decent amount.

Or I guess you could also get the body and sell the lenses and then get some cheap lenses for a really good deal.
 

Lurker1

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Leica lenses are one of the better lenses, historically they were in the top two or three above the likes of Canon, Minolta (RIP), and Nikon. I have a Canon XT which I really like, and even though I don't have a lens investment, I'm not sure I want to jump ship.

However, I can't tell from the description if the image stabilization (IS) is in camera or in lens. If in camera as the description suggests and it works well, this would be hot hot hot. IS lenses from Canon add roughly $600 to the cost of each IS lens. IS can improve shooting with lenses longer than 100mm, although even shorter lenses benefit in low light conditions. So an $1100 75-200mm lens becomes $1700, and really starts exceeding my spouse's tolerance... ;)
 

JameyF

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First, IS is wonderful when it's needed. That is ONLY when shutter speeds dip below your ability to hold the camera steady. That means...the long lenses (100MM) or slow (f4 or slower) lenses are going to benefit from IS in less than reasonable lighting the most. It's when the lights go down, such as shooting a dimly lit church or outside at dawn/dusk that IS really benefits the user.

The mistake many people make is thinking that somehow IS is going to stop motion blur from the subject. Neither in camera nor in lens IS does anything to stop subject motion. Get a faster lens for that. I owned a Canon 70-200mm f4IS lens. It's raved to be one of the best telephoto zoom lenses period. For me, it didn't work as well for what I was using it for than a faster non-IS lens. A non IS f2.8 is grabbing tons of shots I would have missed with the f4IS.

In camera IS does not mean it's better...only cheaper if you have the need/desire for more than one lens with IS (which is pretty much all of us). From what I've read of the technology there can be negatives with in camera IS that in lens IS doesn't have. Also, $600 is like you said "roughly" close but over exagerated to what it costs extra in many instances (if not most). Two of the most popular telephoto zoom Canon lenses that benefit well from IS are the 70-200mm f4 and f2.8 versions. Retail pricing MAY mean you add $600 for the IS version over the non-IS version. Both versions were easily obtainable for $400 more than their non-IS cousins from HIGHLY regarded authorized dealers because of instant rebates this spring. $400 is a good chunk of change.

I decided not to go with an IS lens because of that, but it's not $600. JFYI i chose to keep the $400 hoping to have it to spend on another lens (which supports the idea of in camera IS). Most all of the lenses I'm considering next aren't IS either. I would like to have at least one IS lens that will work well for still shots in low light, but I don't need it for the majority of the shots I take.

Would I like in camera IS...maybe. would I like IS lenses cheaper...SURELY. Neither are perfect, and don't let anything I've stop you from jumping on the IS bandwagon. IS can be wonderful when useful. Just understand it isn't a magic pill that's going to make you a good photographer. The last thing to consider is that camera sensors will likely get much better capturing light and processors will take out noise much better. It could be common place to shoot at ISO 800-1600, and ISO 3200 could result in perfectly beautiful shots when needed. This would make IS needed much less. I hope this rant was worth at least what you were charged.
 

Lurker1

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Nicely written, and correct on all counts. I was looking at IS for the 70-200 F2.8 lens. It was listed at $1699, while it's non-IS version was under $1100. Another lens set I forget now was also roughly $600 difference on the prices at the time I was looking, and I dropped the quest at the time. I decided for my needs a 100mm macro or a wide-angle lens or both are more appropriate for my next purchase(s) - both together can cost less than either 70-200 lens unless you go for the super duper fast wide angle lens.

Speed of lenses coupled with speed of film/sensor are probably the most important aspects for action, especially action at a distance such as sporting events. Landscape is more affected by depth of field, which is inversely related to aperture (speed of lens). IS helps stabilize a non-action shot with a greater depth of field (slower lens setting) than would be possible with a non-IS lens in general. Then again, you should probably just go for the tripod first.
 

finbarqs

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don't forget, you guys are ALL talking about L series lens.

IS in LENS is better than in camera simply based on the fact that when it is IN lens, it is not a post processing effects as it in in lens. In fact, Image stabilization gives me about 2-3 stops when hand held. That's all IS does for us amateur photographers: ability to hand hold things.

I jumped ship on this deal (remember, a 10% off $199 and above exists out there from best buy) which brings this deal down $100 bucks making it 899. AMAZING. I really like the magnesium alloy body construction with the seals they use. The body makes this camera look like my old Nikon 'e' series SLR.

What i've read that the difference between this camera and the Leica Digilux 3 is the warranty, and the in camera JPG processing. And of course, we get our wonderful leica lens which also is ultra-low/no dispertion and distortion with higher contrast and image saturation. This lens is equivalent if not better than the "L" lenses of canon, and the "ED" lenses of nikon.

I had planned an entire canon setup too... 5d + 24-105mm L f/4 IS kit. That would've been my perfect setup.
 

JameyF

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Originally posted by: Lurker1
Speed of lenses coupled with speed of film/sensor are probably the most important aspects for action, especially action at a distance such as sporting events. Landscape is more affected by depth of field, which is inversely related to aperture (speed of lens). IS helps stabilize a non-action shot with a greater depth of field (slower lens setting) than would be possible with a non-IS lens in general. Then again, you should probably just go for the tripod first.

Yep...I forgot about landscape shots because, like you said, many bring out the tripod. IS really helps if you're hiking or something like that and don't have the ability to carry a tripod with you. BUT...if I were into landscape shots, I don't think I'd use a crop form camera.

And just for more detail on the price difference I found...the 70-200mm f2.8 IS was on sale at Amazon and bhphoto for less than $1500 for a good part of the rebate period, and amazon shipped free. I paid $1114 from amazon for my non IS f2.8 version. That was the cheapest price I could find (searching every day) from an authorized dealer during the whole rebate period (it wasn't eligible for an instant rebate..bummer).

And yes finbarqs, we are talking mainly of L lenses, but there are some Canon IS lenses that aren't L series. They would be even less of a price difference from a similar lens, but I don't know of any lenses off the top of my head that aren't L series and are offered in IS and non IS version with all other things identical. There probably are a few, but not many like in L series lenses. Canon has been a leader in low noise, high ISO pics. I would say Canon lends itself more towards the sports crowd (which is me) with high ISO performace.
 

kamiller42

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Originally posted by: finbarqs
I jumped ship on this deal (remember, a 10% off $199 and above exists out there from best buy) which brings this deal down $100 bucks making it 899. AMAZING. I really like the magnesium alloy body construction with the seals they use. The body makes this camera look like my old Nikon 'e' series SLR.
How did you get 10% off? The coupon I found said 10% off regular prices and digital SLRs are excluded.

eCost seems to sell this same setup for $1,020. I assume no tax either. Is BB and eCost selling something different?