Amanda Knox Conviction Overturned, Set Free

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JS80

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I don't buy it.

I'm not getting into an argument with you. I heard the story and wanted to say what I felt.

It's just my gut instinct, I think she knows something or was part of it. I don't think she's innocent. The same way everyone knew OJ Simpson was guilty. You just know, you know.

I'd be a great lawyer... "LOOK AT HER EYES! SHE'S GUILTY!"

You really don't buy it? Google Rudy Guede. Take a look at his picture and read his background. His DNA (aka jizz) was inside and outside of Kercher's body. His shit was splattered all over their toilet. His DNA was on her purse. His shoe print, hand print were all over the place. Lastly he admits he was there! Not only that, he said that Amanda was NOT there!

What's more likely:
1) Rudy Guede raped and murdered Kercher, fled to Germany.

or

2) Knox+BF had a satanic weed fueled ritual where they held Kercher down while Guede raped her and murdered her. Cleaned off all her+bf DNA from the room leaving ONLY Guede's DNA.
 

sygyzy

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You also obviously didn't follow the case nor analyzed the evidence at all.

Do you think she's innocent or she wasn't proven guilty? Because it's two different things right? I think that yes, the defense did a good job and the prosecution couldn't furnish enough evidence to convict her. I still think that letter-of-the-law aside, if we are talking about whether she's guilty or not, then yes, she is.

What are your thoughts?
 

yours truly

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You really don't buy it? Google Rudy Guede. Take a look at his picture and read his background. His DNA (aka jizz) was inside and outside of Kercher's body. His shit was splattered all over their toilet. His DNA was on her purse. His shoe print, hand print were all over the place. Lastly he admits he was there! Not only that, he said that Amanda was NOT there!

What's more likely:
1) Rudy Guede raped and murdered Kercher, fled to Germany.

or

2) Knox+BF had a satanic weed fueled ritual where they held Kercher down while Guede raped her and murdered her. Cleaned off all her+bf DNA from the room leaving ONLY Guede's DNA.

Well if I was innocent, the first thing I'd do if my best friend is brutally murdered, is go down to the cop shop, have a laugh and joke with my friend while impressing the police with my acrobatic skills then accuse the first black guy I can think of.
 

JS80

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Do you think she's innocent or she wasn't proven guilty? Because it's two different things right? I think that yes, the defense did a good job and the prosecution couldn't furnish enough evidence to convict her. I still think that letter-of-the-law aside, if we are talking about whether she's guilty or not, then yes, she is.

What are your thoughts?

I do not think she had anything to do with the murder.

What do you think happened? Tell me what you envision how the murder happened.
 

JS80

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Well if I was innocent, the first thing I'd do if my best friend is brutally murdered, is go down to the cop shop, have a laugh and joke with my friend while impressing the police with my acrobatic skills then accuse the first black guy I can think of.

Hah, best friend? She was studying abroad and this was her flatmate for that term. Sure her behavior is odd but what would you expect from a noob kid who's being harshly interrogated by the Italian police for 50 hours?

What most likely happened is that they used police interrogation methods to extract a "confession" out of her (who, happened to know very little Italian back then) because they had found a black man's hair at the scene, and Lumumba was the first person she thought of. Her interrogation that not should not be relied upon.
 

yours truly

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I do not think she had anything to do with the murder.

What do you think happened? Tell me what you envision how the murder happened.

A group of them were high on drinks and drugs. It got out of hand. 2 guys and 1 girl were up for some kinky fun. Kercher didn't want to play any more. Things got ugly. She was killed. 2 pinned her down whilst one slit her throat. They cleaned the 'mess' up. The other guy panicked and fled.

The police turn up. All are arrested. All have different stories. Knox is incredibly nervous and starts acting erratically. Accuses an innocent man. Lies on OATH the police beat, then changes her story, which subsequently keeps changing.

Hah, best friend? She was studying abroad and this was her flatmate for that term. Sure her behavior is odd but what would you expect from a noob kid who's being harshly interrogated by the Italian police for 50 hours?

I would have hoped for a splits or a somersault at least.

She's studying in a country where she doesn't speak the language. Her room mate speaks English. They're the same age, have the same sort of interests, they are both in a different land = yes there were friends. I think that has been established
 
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JS80

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Yea you're right, when people get high on weed they get all raged and murdery.

So how do you explain Rudy Guede's story that Knox was not there? He claims he was taking a shit when he heard the scream. He ran to the room and found her dead and saw shadowy figures leaving the room. He panicked and ran. Why protect them?
 

yours truly

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Yea you're right, when people get high on weed they get all raged and murdery.

So how do you explain Rudy Guede's story that Knox was not there? He claims he was taking a shit when he heard the scream. He ran to the room and found her dead and saw shadowy figures leaving the room. He panicked and ran. Why protect them?

My old neighbour stabbed his best friend through the heart while high on weed. He's now serving 25 years.
 

yours truly

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I see I've wasted my time on a troll the whole time.

Yes.. well done. Never been called a troll before. Thanks.

So we have a difference of opinion and what I'm a trouble maker now?

What's wrong with a debate?
 

yours truly

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I told you before, it's just my opinion. None of us will ever know the truth. All I wanted to do was talk about it.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge and stay out of P&N.

Cheers.
 

ProfJohn

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Water off a duck's back to here it seems. She was recorded doing cartwheels in the interrogations room. (edit: at the police station)
People react to stress in different ways.

Ever been around someone who starts to laugh uncontrollably when stressed?
Or the person who cries when stressed even over little tiny things?
I had an employee who would start to shake if I even talked to her because she was so afraid of getting in trouble.

Good chance she was freaking out by time she was doing cartwheels and of course the police and cheering her on because it helps their case.
 

ProfJohn

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They cleaned the 'mess' up. The other guy panicked and fled.
How is it that they removed evidence that Knox and her BF were in the room, but left evidence that Guede was in the room??

That is essentially impossible.

Here from wiki:
Kercher's body was found on the floor of her bedroom, with blood in various locations around the room.[58]:10 There were three cuts on her neck as well as bruises suggesting she might have been strangled. There were also signs of sexual assault.[58]:110 The coroner determined the cause of death was combined blood loss and suffocation.[59]

DNA matching Guede's was found both on and inside Kercher's body[28][60] and on her shirt, bra and handbag.[61] A bloody handprint found on a pillow under Kercher's back was also matched to Guede.[28][62] The prosecution argued that a severed piece of Kercher's bra, including its metal hooks, revealed traces of both her DNA and that of Sollecito.[58]:235 Knox's lawyers later argued that DNA evidence had been contaminated during the investigation at the crime scene and when the investigators accidentally moved the evidence during the 47-day delay in retrieving the samples.[63] A June 2011 report by court appointed forensic experts concluded that there was not enough DNA on the bra clasp to retest, that the collection of the bra clasp evidence did not conform to internationally accepted procedures, and the collection was "in a context that was highly suggestive of ambient contamination".[64][65]

Luminol revealed footprints in the flat which the prosecution argued were compatible with the feet of Knox and Sollecito.[58]:373[66] A consultant for Knox's defence, however, testified that work status reports showed, "in contradiction to what was presented in the technical report deposited by the Scientific Police, and also to what was said in Court, that not only was the Luminol test performed on these traces, but also the generic diagnosis for the presence of blood, using tetramethylbenzidine...and this test...gave a negative result on all the items of evidence from which it was possible to obtain a genetic profile."[58]:256 Nevertheless, the judge did not accept this view and concluded that the traces revealed with Luminol in Knox's bedroom, the corridor and Filomena's room had originated from Knox's bloody feet.[58]:382

Knox's DNA was matched to the handle of a kitchen knife recovered from Sollecito's flat, and the prosecution stated that Kercher's DNA[67] was on the blade.[68] A June 2011 report by court appointed forensic experts concluded that the previous results indicating that Kercher's DNA was on the knife blade appeared "unreliable because not supported by scientifically valid analytical procedures".[64][65] Prosecution witnesses stated that the knife could have made one of the three wounds on Kercher's neck.[34][69] Carlo Torre, a professor of criminal science based in Turin,[70] hired by Knox, testified that all three wounds originated from a different knife that had a blade one quarter the size of that recovered from Sollecito's flat.[71] During her trial, Knox's lawyers argued that she had used knives for cooking at Sollecito's apartment.[72]

There was no forensic evidence directly indicating that Knox had been in the bedroom in which Kercher was murdered.[53] Knox's fingerprints were not found in Kercher's bedroom, nor in her own bedroom.[28][73] Investigators argued that a break-in had been staged at the flat, partly because the window seemed to have been broken after the room had been ransacked.[74]
Guede did it, end of story.
 

woolfe9999

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To me the key piece of evidence is the blood on that bra clasp. I'm aware that it is disputed as to whether the sample they took was really adequate. However, if the prosecution is correct that Knox's BF's blood is on the clasp, along with that the of victim, it's open and shut the her BF participated in the killing, and basically open and shut that Knox at least knew what was happening or tried to cover it up after the fact.

I don't know the DNA science well enough to have an informed opinion on it. I know the first jury accepted it and the second rejected it.

- wolf
 

Patranus

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So if the supreme court of Italy orders another trial (per the rumors) does Obama send this kid back to Italy?
 

woolfe9999

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So if the supreme court of Italy orders another trial (per the rumors) does Obama send this kid back to Italy?

If memory serves, the POTUS isn't generally in the loop on extradition matters. It is handled between the State Department and the DoJ and is governed by treaty, making it a rather mechanical process where there really isn't much discretion.
 

Patranus

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If memory serves, the POTUS isn't generally in the loop on extradition matters. It is handled between the State Department and the DoJ and is governed by treaty, making it a rather mechanical process where there really isn't much discretion.

The United States Department of State
(Technical name of State Department)

Which branch of the government is it a department of?
Who is the executive of that branch of government?
 

juiio

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You really don't buy it? Google Rudy Guede. Take a look at his picture and read his background. His DNA (aka jizz) was inside and outside of Kercher's body. His shit was splattered all over their toilet. His DNA was on her purse. His shoe print, hand print were all over the place. Lastly he admits he was there! Not only that, he said that Amanda was NOT there!

What's more likely:
1) Rudy Guede raped and murdered Kercher, fled to Germany.

or

2) Knox+BF had a satanic weed fueled ritual where they held Kercher down while Guede raped her and murdered her. Cleaned off all her+bf DNA from the room leaving ONLY Guede's DNA.

The problem with your theory is that the pathology report shows that there was at least one and most likely two other people there. It doesn't prove who the other person/people were, but there was someone else there for sure.

Also, Rudy was at a club afterwards. He could not have done the cleanup. If he didn't do the cleanup, who did?
 

woolfe9999

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The United States Department of State
(Technical name of State Department)

Which branch of the government is it a department of?
Who is the executive of that branch of government?

Yeah I get it, smartass. The POTUS doesn't get involved in extradition, if memory serves. In fact, the POTUS doesn't get involved in about 99% of the things that are done by functionaries within the executive branch, because there isn't enough time in a day/month/year/term for the POTUS to be involved in every decision of every functionary at every level.

The treaty governs extradition and it isn't a matter of discretion, either. If application for extradition is in compliance with the treaty I think the functionaries just hand over the person being extradited. Maybe there's discussion with the POTUS in a high profile case but I can't see what they would do about it when you have a treaty in place. You aren't going to violate the treaty.

- wolf
 

Wreckem

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To me the key piece of evidence is the blood on that bra clasp. I'm aware that it is disputed as to whether the sample they took was really adequate. However, if the prosecution is correct that Knox's BF's blood is on the clasp, along with that the of victim, it's open and shut the her BF participated in the killing, and basically open and shut that Knox at least knew what was happening or tried to cover it up after the fact.

I don't know the DNA science well enough to have an informed opinion on it. I know the first jury accepted it and the second rejected it.

- wolf

See this is the problem. There may have been trace dna on the bra clasp but it doesn't mean anything nor does it prove she helped kill the girl. Because the bra clasp was found almost 7 weeks after the murder. The integrity of the crime scene was compromised from day one as the investigators failed to to take adequate measures to prevent contamination of evidence or preserve the crime scene. The crime scene investigation was conducted very poorly. It all comes down to shoddy police work.
 

juiio

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See this is the problem. There may have been trace dna on the bra clasp but it doesn't mean anything nor does it prove she helped kill the girl. Because the bra clasp was found almost 7 weeks after the murder.

The bra clasp isn't the thing linking her to the murder.
 
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