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AM4 ITX for Ryzen

ITX boards often arrive slightly later than others, as they're a bit harder to design (and probably require slightly more testing due to tighter tolerances and more complex trace layouts). I'm hoping THIS difference will diminish as ITX becomes more mainstream.
 
Valantar said:
ITX boards often arrive slightly later than others, as they're a bit harder to design (and probably require slightly more testing due to tighter tolerances and more complex trace layouts). I'm hoping THIS difference will diminish as ITX becomes more mainstream.
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Yeah, also the increased socket pin qty. affects ITX the most. X99 ITX from Asrock is an PCB marvel in this regard (and launched quite after the platform was unveiled).

Hopefully its less than 2 months after release. I'm on the wait too.
 
Starting to regret going m-ITX.

I think I'd settle for a m-ATX case that has very low displacement (and full size GPU support).
 
I would love a thin Mini ITX or a Mini STX board, but these things don't have IGP so that's probably not going to happen. Mini ITX is fine though; throw it in something like InWin's BP655.F200H with a low profile GPU and you're set 🙂
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
I would love a thin Mini ITX or a Mini STX board, but these things don't have IGP so that's probably not going to happen. Mini ITX is fine though; throw it in something like InWin's BP655.F200H with a low profile GPU and you're set 🙂
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Good luck finding a low profile AND single slot modern GPU.

I think if m-ATX cases can get their displacement under 20L with full sized GPU, I might just from this ITX ship.
 
PPB said:
Yeah, also the increased socket pin qty. affects ITX the most. X99 ITX from Asrock is an PCB marvel in this regard (and launched quite after the platform was unveiled).

Hopefully its less than 2 months after release. I'm on the wait too.
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I'd imagine an AM4 ITX board to be easier to manufacture than a LGA2011v3 ITX board, since the corresponding AMD chipsets are much less complicated than X99.

I think we have to wait for the X300 chipset, as 990/970FX did not translate well into ITX in the past.
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
I would love a thin Mini ITX or a Mini STX board, but these things don't have IGP so that's probably not going to happen. Mini ITX is fine though; throw it in something like InWin's BP655.F200H with a low profile GPU and you're set 🙂
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What would be the point of a GPU-less CPU in a Mini STX board? A headless server? And thin mini-ITX? Are you planning on running this in a 1U server case? Again, where is your GPU going? When Raven Ridge APUs arrive, I'm with you. But right now, you're talking nonsense.
daxzy said:
Good luck finding a low profile AND single slot modern GPU.

I think if m-ATX cases can get their displacement under 20L with full sized GPU, I might just from this ITX ship.
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Kimera Industries Cerberus.. mATX, SFX(-L) or ATX PSU, full size GPU space, plenty of fan mounts, 18L. ATX PSU requires water cooling your CPU, but other than that, this is a very sweet case.
 
Valantar said:
Kimera Industries Cerberus.. mATX, SFX(-L) or ATX PSU, full size GPU space, plenty of fan mounts, 18L. ATX PSU requires water cooling your CPU, but other than that, this is a very sweet case.
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I saw that on a [ H ] post over a year back. It's still not in production. It's definitely a great idea. Taking a mATX board and designing it as if it were ITX (e.g. using SFX power supply). I think AM4 ITX boards will come before that sees the production.
 
daxzy said:
I saw that on a [ H ] post over a year back. It's still not in production. It's definitely a great idea. Taking a mATX board and designing it as if it were ITX (e.g. using SFX power supply). I think AM4 ITX boards will come before that sees the production.
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Given that their Kickstarter failed, it's no surprise that it remains vaporware. I'm under the impression that there have been one or two limited production runs, though. I'm just hoping it actually shows up. Even if it's $250, that's not too bad for a case like that.
 
I'm just obsessed with tiny tiny builds, is all 🙂 Thin Mini ITX and Mini STX are my specialties. There actually is a low profile 1050 out there IIRC, and I think I saw an article on this very site saying an LP RX 460 card was in the works.
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
I'm just obsessed with tiny tiny builds, is all 🙂 Thin Mini ITX and Mini STX are my specialties. There actually is a low profile 1050 out there IIRC, and I think I saw an article on this very site saying an LP RX 460 card was in the works.
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All the GTX 1050/RX 460 LP cards I've seen are double slot. There are some RX 460's that are single slot full height. I really don't see the point of LP cards, tbh. Single/dual slot full height/half length is much better, as with PCI-E risers, its possible to mount them perpendicular to the motherboard; something that wasn't feasible just 2 years earlier.

Right now the whole ITX market is still in its infancy. The best ITX with full GPU is probably the Fractal Node 202 or Silverstone Milo 08 (e.g. RVZ02). But I really don't like either solution from an aesthetic POV.

The best looking ITX case, IMO, is the Inwin 901. But it's an outdated design (2014 era) and badly needs a refresh (support only SFX PSU, better cable management, better GPU placement, remove 3.5" HDD, etc).
 
daxzy said:
Right now the whole ITX market is still in its infancy. The best ITX with full GPU is probably the Fractal Node 202 or Silverstone Milo 08 (e.g. RVZ02). But I really don't like either solution from an aesthetic POV.

The best looking ITX case, IMO, is the Inwin 901. But it's an outdated design (2014 era) and badly needs a refresh (support only SFX PSU, better cable management, better GPU placement, remove 3.5" HDD, etc).
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Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX
 
tamz_msc said:
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX
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You realize that Enthoo Envolv ITX case has a displacement of 34L?

All the following ITX cases have full GPU support:
Inwin 901 is about 24L
Silverstone ML08/RVZ02 is about 15L
Node 202 is about 11L

And then we have:
Kimera Cerebus is 18L ... its a mATX with dual full GPU support!

I don't understand why anyone that is building around an ITX motherboard (with its ITX markup) would be in a market for an ITX case that has the displacement more than some mATX cases. Just go the mATX route!
 
I like my ML07B. Can run a double slot full length GPU no sweat. Have to use SFX and a slot BD-ROM but those are sunk costs for me at this point.
 
daxzy said:
You realize that Enthoo Envolv ITX case has a displacement of 34L?

All the following ITX cases have full GPU support:
Inwin 901 is about 24L
Silverstone ML08/RVZ02 is about 15L
Node 202 is about 11L

And then we have:
Kimera Cerebus is 18L ... its a mATX with dual full GPU support!

I don't understand why anyone that is building around an ITX motherboard (with its ITX markup) would be in a market for an ITX case that has the displacement more than some mATX cases. Just go the mATX route!
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Custom liquid? Or it could fit a Noctua NH-D15.
 
Azuma Hazuki said:
I'm just obsessed with tiny tiny builds, is all 🙂 Thin Mini ITX and Mini STX are my specialties. There actually is a low profile 1050 out there IIRC, and I think I saw an article on this very site saying an LP RX 460 card was in the works.
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Yep, there are LP versions of both the RX 460 and GTX 1050 (Ti). All are double slot, though. And no matter what, a half-height PCIe card is taller than a standard I/O plate, so why limit yourself to thin mITX? Are there cases out there fitting thin mITX + sideways-mounted dual slot, half-heigh GPUs? How would you then cool your CPU? Why not then go for something like the S4 Mini case, that fits full height GPUs and reasonably-sized HSFs? It also essentially limits you to oddball server motherboards. Still makes little sense IMO. I understand the interest/obsession, though. I'm leaning the same way myself. After building a combo HTPC/NAS in a Node 304 last year, I now want to make that into a dedicated NAS and make another, truly tiny (think Pico-PSU, ITX and iGPU) HTPC. That'll have to wait, though 😉

daxzy said:
You realize that Enthoo Envolv ITX case has a displacement of 34L?

All the following ITX cases have full GPU support:
Inwin 901 is about 24L
Silverstone ML08/RVZ02 is about 15L
Node 202 is about 11L

And then we have:
Kimera Cerebus is 18L ... its a mATX with dual full GPU support!

I don't understand why anyone that is building around an ITX motherboard (with its ITX markup) would be in a market for an ITX case that has the displacement more than some mATX cases. Just go the mATX route!
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The problem is that the In-win 901 has awful cooling. A single intake fan? A single exhaust? If you want water, you can mount a single 120mm rad outside of the case? A case that's designed to look great, just with a tumor of a radiator hanging off the back? I agree, the case looks fantastic, and it has some good ideas going for it. It's just not suitable for a >250W PC. I'd hesitate to put anything above a stock-clocked 7700k and an RX 480 in there.

I'll (in all likelyhood) be buying an Enthoo Evolv ITX. Why?
-I can keep my Supernova G2 750W PSU that I bought 18 months ago (while you might argue that I should have bought an SFX(-L) PSU if I planned to go SFF, I'd counter with the fact that there wasn't a single model suitable for powering my Fury X available at the time. The Corsair 650W was out of the question due to its 92mm fan)
-I can fit 1x120 + 2x120 of radiators in there while still having a good supply of fresh, non-heated air over the motherboard from the front
-It's still far smaller than most mATX cases. At least ones with decent water cooling capabilities.
-I can actually route/hide cables, and don't have to go with a fully custom power cable setup.

I could go for a Bitfenix Prodigy M. That would seriously limit my water cooling options, though. What's the point of going mATX if one of my radiators is blocking the last PCIe slots (and all the front panel connectors)?

And that's the whole point: stuffing high-end hardware into a tiny case pretty much requires water cooling (after all, if you look at any discussion of the ML08, Node 202, S4 Mini or other tiny cases, the question isn't "Does it throttle?" but "How much does it throttle?" Making investing in high-end hardware a waste).

While I could fit everything I want into a Cerberus, a) it's not available, and b) it's $250 (+ shipping, import fees and VAT when having it shipped to Norway, which would land it at ~$350). I could also design a case myself, making it as small as possible while fitting everything I want/need. I neither have the time, money or equipment necessary for this, even if the idea is nice.
 
Valantar said:
The problem is that the In-win 901 has awful cooling. A single intake fan? A single exhaust? If you want water, you can mount a single 120mm rad outside of the case? A case that's designed to look great, just with a tumor of a radiator hanging off the back? I agree, the case looks fantastic, and it has some good ideas going for it. It's just not suitable for a >250W PC. I'd hesitate to put anything above a stock-clocked 7700k and an RX 480 in there.
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The cooling is okay unless you go for something exotic. I have put an i7-6700K @ 4.5 and rather power hungry overclocked R9-280X there at one point and there was no throttling. Temps were also okay. Right now I just have a 6700 stock and GTX 960.

Valantar said:
And that's the whole point: stuffing high-end hardware into a tiny case pretty much requires water cooling (after all, if you look at any discussion of the ML08, Node 202, S4 Mini or other tiny cases, the question isn't "Does it throttle?" but "How much does it throttle?" Making investing in high-end hardware a waste).
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Because there are inevitable trade-offs when you're going SFF. If you want SFF and super high overclocked performance, then you are faced with the dilemma of size versus performance. Obviously its a sliding scale, based on personal preference. I think there is a lot of area for improvement.

I know Node 202 has problems overclocking, but its displacement is literally 1/3 of the Evolv ITX. My ML08 can do a 6700K @ 4.5 just fine with a LP Scythe and said overclocked R9-280X. Means it should handle a something like a Fury fine too.
 
daxzy said:
The cooling is okay unless you go for something exotic. I have put an i7-6700K @ 4.5 and rather power hungry overclocked R9-280X there at one point and there was no throttling. Temps were also okay. Right now I just have a 6700 stock and GTX 960.



Because there are inevitable trade-offs when you're going SFF. If you want SFF and super high overclocked performance, then you are faced with the dilemma of size versus performance. Obviously its a sliding scale, based on personal preference. I think there is a lot of area for improvement.

I know Node 202 has problems overclocking, but its displacement is literally 1/3 of the Evolv ITX. My ML08 can do a 6700K @ 4.5 just fine with a LP Scythe and said overclocked R9-280X. Means it should handle a something like a Fury fine too.
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I wouldn't overclock with a SFF case even if the case could handle it, the noise might drive you nuts.
 
whm1974 said:
I wouldn't overclock with a SFF case even if the case could handle it, the noise might drive you nuts.
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I use this to cool the 6700K. Originally had the Silverstone AR06 , and overclocking wasn't feasible with that (higher temps and high fan speed). Found it on sale for like $25 on Amazon so gave it a try.

http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/cpu-cooler/big-shuriken-2-rev-b.html

I removed the dust shrouds on the ML08. Gaming CPU temp is around 60C. Bad news is that it blocks a USB 3.0 header on my motherboard (need to find a USB 3.0 right angle header). My MSI Gaming X RX 480 (considered one of the quietest RX 480's) is more audible than the CPU cooler when gaming.

It's definitely nowhere near as quiet as a well put Fractal Define case, but certainly not loud by any means. I suppose you can add noise to the
 
Has anyone seen any leaks or announcements of AM4 ITX boards? I'm seriously considering cancelling my mATX order (scheduled to come back in stock this friday) and waiting it out.
 
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